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That explain why Kiunjuri was slowed down...Uhuru has his own plans. The young man cannot just go to Ichweri while Raila at 80 yrs is still at it.

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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2018, 12:25:20 PM »
MKM Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him them.

Fixed that for you.  :D

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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 01:11:59 PM »
What is MKM? GEMA were always going to remain lead partner of Jubilee post-uhuru. Therefore MKM were to offer Kiunjuri or some other proxy for Uhuru. Obviously Uhuru is now the king and there is nothing like MKM. I won't be suprised if like Moi - he even tries to pass the baton to Muhoho Jnr.

The way I see this huge blow to anybody in GEMA who was thinking of inhering the mantle. Just like Kalonzo & MaDVD are leaking their wounds.

It very likely Uhuru will remain in some powerful post - and then Deputy will be given to some other tribe. You cannot have Uhuru still there and another Kikuyu DP.

Line up looking like  Grand Ayetollah Uhuru (something in the mould of Iran or China) - President Ruto - Deputy (Most likely a Luhya).

MKM Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him them.

Fixed that for you.  :D

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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 07:22:34 PM »
Uhuru - Jubilee Party Leader & Chairman
Ruto - PORK
Eugene - DPORK (lameduck not co-president)

What a nosebleed. It's meant to nip any Gema rebellion in the bud while looking inclusive. The upside is Ruto will be officially full PORK to serve everyone without two-tribe 50-50 coalition. That's the way it should be.
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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2018, 09:51:46 AM »
Jubilee might be very good in politics like Moi but terrible in managing economy. This will be their undoing. Their tax,borrow and spend on grandiose infrastructure and social services have reached a point of diminishing return. Since the days of Kibaki we have focused on infrastructure (good) but little on production of goods and service to use the infrastructure. We have almost universal electrification but power usage hasn't bulged. My humble opinion.

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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 10:41:22 AM »
Jubilee might be very good in politics like Moi but terrible in managing economy. This will be their undoing. Their tax,borrow and spend on grandiose infrastructure and social services have reached a point of diminishing return. Since the days of Kibaki we have focused on infrastructure (good) but little on production of goods and service to use the infrastructure. We have almost universal electrification but power usage hasn't bulged. My humble opinion.

They need initiatives to spur private sector - credit, manpower, internet, etc. We really need a way to attract FDI especially manpower due to shortage of local talent. Folks like MJ who have built Safaricom from startup to a bluechip - how do we attract such FDI like Vodafone? We can package local-foreign partnership - with similar incentives of allowing manpower and some big stake - like Vodafone control of M-pesa. This is the Singapore model I think.

Bottomline is that we are short of manpower. And GoK would do well with a Manpower CS (not labor!) - perhaps under industry docket or separate. Pundit and bitmask may disagree and call me names for this.
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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 01:36:27 PM »
Public investment has matched or overtaken private investment. That is a good thing. Jubilee are getting more than 2B dollars per annum for infrastructure - mostly from Chinese.

The issues is how do we jumpstart private investment. It's been a decade since we had the "Equity bank/Personal Loan No security" era of cheap credit. Bankers are complaining about the interest rate cap.  And yet nobody can really make money when bankers are charging 25% interest rate! It a tough situation. Maybe allow investment or development bank? Maybe really jumpstart a development bank like Ethiopias & other communism state...that can fund private investment? But what about corruption? We are just about done repaying NBK/KCB loans given to fat cats .

So for me - UhuRuto should continue focusing on public investment..there is a huge backlog - of infrastructure - the private sector will sort itself somehow. If you've been given a railway, a tarmac road, electricity, water and internet..and you cannot figure out how to make money....then there is little gov can do there.

Jubilee might be very good in politics like Moi but terrible in managing economy. This will be their undoing. Their tax,borrow and spend on grandiose infrastructure and social services have reached a point of diminishing return. Since the days of Kibaki we have focused on infrastructure (good) but little on production of goods and service to use the infrastructure. We have almost universal electrification but power usage hasn't bulged. My humble opinion.

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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2018, 02:12:49 PM »
hk - Singapore's Ministry of Manpower

http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/skills-training-and-development/skillsfuture
Anything to increase productivity and innovation to solve myriads of our problems. The every fact we are underdeveloped it means there are many opportunities that needs the relevant skills set to be exploited.   

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2018, 02:29:33 PM »
Public investment has matched or overtaken private investment. That is a good thing. Jubilee are getting more than 2B dollars per annum for infrastructure - mostly from Chinese.

The issues is how do we jumpstart private investment. It's been a decade since we had the "Equity bank/Personal Loan No security" era of cheap credit. Bankers are complaining about the interest rate cap.  And yet nobody can really make money when bankers are charging 25% interest rate! It a tough situation. Maybe allow investment or development bank? Maybe really jumpstart a development bank like Ethiopias & other communism state...that can fund private investment? But what about corruption? We are just about done repaying NBK/KCB loans given to fat cats .

So for me - UhuRuto should continue focusing on public investment..there is a huge backlog - of infrastructure - the private sector will sort itself somehow. If you've been given a railway, a tarmac road, electricity, water and internet..and you cannot figure out how to make money....then there is little gov can do there.
The economy is being propped up by government investment and FDI, private investment is nonexistent . To spur credit to private sector the treasury need to tame inflation and shelf local borrowing to lower CBK base rate so that even if caps are removed interest rates don't skyrocket. To do that the government has to stop borrowing to lower rates just like Mwiraria did. Its all about allocation of capital and best return on investment. To kickstart the economy treasury need to incentivize the private sector by zero rating capital investment, lowering taxes and most importantly getting conducive macroeconomic condition for businesses to thrive.  Besides the infrastructure being built by Chinese companies might not be using local materials denying the economy multiplier effects.  We may end up with things like SGR but little cargo to transport.

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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 04:54:16 PM »
Jubilee might be very good in politics like Moi but terrible in managing economy. This will be their undoing. Their tax,borrow and spend on grandiose infrastructure and social services have reached a point of diminishing return. Since the days of Kibaki we have focused on infrastructure (good) but little on production of goods and service to use the infrastructure. We have almost universal electrification but power usage hasn't bulged. My humble opinion.

They need initiatives to spur private sector - credit, manpower, internet, etc. We really need a way to attract FDI especially manpower due to shortage of local talent. Folks like MJ who have built Safaricom from startup to a bluechip - how do we attract such FDI like Vodafone? We can package local-foreign partnership - with similar incentives of allowing manpower and some big stake - like Vodafone control of M-pesa. This is the Singapore model I think.

Bottomline is that we are short of manpower. And GoK would do well with a Manpower CS (not labor!) - perhaps under industry docket or separate. Pundit and bitmask may disagree and call me names for this.

I don't disagree with that mostly.  Except the idea that there is a manpower shortage as if Kenyans are trying to go to the moon.
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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 06:16:31 PM »
Jubilee might be very good in politics like Moi but terrible in managing economy. This will be their undoing. Their tax,borrow and spend on grandiose infrastructure and social services have reached a point of diminishing return. Since the days of Kibaki we have focused on infrastructure (good) but little on production of goods and service to use the infrastructure. We have almost universal electrification but power usage hasn't bulged. My humble opinion.

They need initiatives to spur private sector - credit, manpower, internet, etc. We really need a way to attract FDI especially manpower due to shortage of local talent. Folks like MJ who have built Safaricom from startup to a bluechip - how do we attract such FDI like Vodafone? We can package local-foreign partnership - with similar incentives of allowing manpower and some big stake - like Vodafone control of M-pesa. This is the Singapore model I think.

Bottomline is that we are short of manpower. And GoK would do well with a Manpower CS (not labor!) - perhaps under industry docket or separate. Pundit and bitmask may disagree and call me names for this.

I don't disagree with that mostly.  Except the idea that there is a manpower shortage as if Kenyans are trying to go to the moon.

There is a manpower shortage. If you have spent time in the Silicon Valley and places like Zurich like I have, you will have been impressed - nay mesmerized - by the rate and sophistication of startup business. That soon materialize to SME and big biz. And the age of kids doing this!! We don't have that level of effort at all in Africa. Even now the emerging areas - of blockchain, VR, AI, robotics, industrie 4.0 - are slow or non-existent in Nairobi.

I was showcasing the satellite internet that is replacing telco - with SpaceX, etc - that would create ubiquitous broadband in remote Africa... Scratch that have you visited Israel and seen their Agritech? Food is 5% of their economy but 100X bigger than Kenya's!

You can blame it on corruption, capital, education, etc - but the impact is insufficient manpower/talent for development.
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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 07:24:51 PM »

They need initiatives to spur private sector - credit, manpower, internet, etc. We really need a way to attract FDI especially manpower due to shortage of local talent. Folks like MJ who have built Safaricom from startup to a bluechip - how do we attract such FDI like Vodafone? We can package local-foreign partnership - with similar incentives of allowing manpower and some big stake - like Vodafone control of M-pesa. This is the Singapore model I think.

Bottomline is that we are short of manpower. And GoK would do well with a Manpower CS (not labor!) - perhaps under industry docket or separate. Pundit and bitmask may disagree and call me names for this.

I don't disagree with that mostly.  Except the idea that there is a manpower shortage as if Kenyans are trying to go to the moon.

There is a manpower shortage. If you have spent time in the Silicon Valley and places like Zurich like I have, you will have been impressed - nay mesmerized - by the rate and sophistication of startup business. That soon materialize to SME and big biz. And the age of kids doing this!! We don't have that level of effort at all in Africa. Even now the emerging areas - of blockchain, VR, AI, robotics, industrie 4.0 - are slow or non-existent in Nairobi.

I was showcasing the satellite internet that is replacing telco - with SpaceX, etc - that would create ubiquitous broadband in remote Africa... Scratch that have you visited Israel and seen their Agritech? Food is 5% of their economy but 100X bigger than Kenya's!

You can blame it on corruption, capital, education, etc - but the impact is insufficient manpower/talent for development.

I think you are conflating investment with manpower.  Sure people are not putting money in Kenya in those specific areas.  But that is not the same thing as Kenya not having skillsets(or readily converted skillsets) in those areas. 

Most of them, perhaps with the exception of robotics and AI are not specifically taught in schools anywhere.  Where do you learn VR?  Blockchain?  Most people learn these things when they are working on them with a company that has already invested in them.  The foundation, usually some computer/tehcnology related skills, are available. 

You take away the money, and those same skills will follow it even out of Silicon Valley.  There are other reasons for lack of investment, but I think in Kenya, it's not because of lack of certain skills.
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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 11:43:36 PM »

They need initiatives to spur private sector - credit, manpower, internet, etc. We really need a way to attract FDI especially manpower due to shortage of local talent. Folks like MJ who have built Safaricom from startup to a bluechip - how do we attract such FDI like Vodafone? We can package local-foreign partnership - with similar incentives of allowing manpower and some big stake - like Vodafone control of M-pesa. This is the Singapore model I think.

Bottomline is that we are short of manpower. And GoK would do well with a Manpower CS (not labor!) - perhaps under industry docket or separate. Pundit and bitmask may disagree and call me names for this.

I don't disagree with that mostly.  Except the idea that there is a manpower shortage as if Kenyans are trying to go to the moon.

There is a manpower shortage. If you have spent time in the Silicon Valley and places like Zurich like I have, you will have been impressed - nay mesmerized - by the rate and sophistication of startup business. That soon materialize to SME and big biz. And the age of kids doing this!! We don't have that level of effort at all in Africa. Even now the emerging areas - of blockchain, VR, AI, robotics, industrie 4.0 - are slow or non-existent in Nairobi.

I was showcasing the satellite internet that is replacing telco - with SpaceX, etc - that would create ubiquitous broadband in remote Africa... Scratch that have you visited Israel and seen their Agritech? Food is 5% of their economy but 100X bigger than Kenya's!

You can blame it on corruption, capital, education, etc - but the impact is insufficient manpower/talent for development.

I think you are conflating investment with manpower.  Sure people are not putting money in Kenya in those specific areas.  But that is not the same thing as Kenya not having skillsets(or readily converted skillsets) in those areas. 

Most of them, perhaps with the exception of robotics and AI are not specifically taught in schools anywhere.  Where do you learn VR?  Blockchain?  Most people learn these things when they are working on them with a company that has already invested in them.  The foundation, usually some computer/tehcnology related skills, are available. 

You take away the money, and those same skills will follow it even out of Silicon Valley.  There are other reasons for lack of investment, but I think in Kenya, it's not because of lack of certain skills.

Money/capital follows talent or skill which is what I call manpower. Colleges have been around for ages and nothing stops Kenyans or Africans from learning technology nor our companies from investing in research. Come on, you have seen me rant about the Safaricom and KCB trajectories here, have you not? What stops these cash-rich businesses from investing in blockchain or robotics for instance? Does KCB actually build anything besides just "banking"? I mean something that can generate real revenues - like Softbank's Nao robots? How about Safaricom - anything beyond "Safaricom TV" dongles? - which are Huawei gadgets with a Safaricom sticker :o

Money follows talent. Israel is a sterling example.
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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2018, 10:19:55 AM »
Look like private sector is looking up again after a disastrous election - tell you what - kenyan economy is resilent at 5% growth - we just need to accelerate public investment - to make that growth 10%.
https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Private-sector-growth-hits-highest-point-in-22-months/996-4330106-lpke7m/index.html

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2018, 11:50:47 AM »
Private citizens need to do their thing - and match the public sector - instead of whining about UhuRuto who are totally doing their bit!

Look like private sector is looking up again after a disastrous election - tell you what - kenyan economy is resilent at 5% growth - we just need to accelerate public investment - to make that growth 10%.
https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Private-sector-growth-hits-highest-point-in-22-months/996-4330106-lpke7m/index.html
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2018, 03:23:41 PM »
Look like private sector is looking up again after a disastrous election - tell you what - kenyan economy is resilent at 5% growth - we just need to accelerate public investment - to make that growth 10%.
https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Private-sector-growth-hits-highest-point-in-22-months/996-4330106-lpke7m/index.html
While this is positive it could be alot better if the credit growth wasnt so anemic. To get to 10% the PMI should average more than 65%.

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Re: Uhuru is not going anywhere - Jubilee will find some role for him
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2018, 05:07:08 PM »
Seems some level headed guys advised him not to drop the likes Kiunjuri and Wamalwa, like the hot potato they way he wanted. Uhuru seems was (still is) determined to throw all those who think they can challenge his stay on the throne, if the hurried first reshuffle is anything to go by. He was ready to throw them under the bus no matter the political miscalculations. I expect corruption scandals to rock Kiunjuri and Wamalwa political boats - by 2022 they will be gasping for air just like Munya.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2018, 10:21:23 PM »
Yes it was warning shot - anybody who is deluded to imagine Uhuru is retiring soon and start his 2022 manenos is in for a big suprise.
Seems some level headed guys advised him not to drop the likes Kiunjuri and Wamalwa, like the hot potato they way he wanted. Uhuru seems was (still is) determined to throw all those who think they can challenge his stay on the throne, if the hurried first reshuffle is anything to go by. He was ready to throw them under the bus no matter the political miscalculations. I expect corruption scandals to rock Kiunjuri and Wamalwa political boats - by 2022 they will be gasping for air just like Munya.

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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2018, 01:30:48 AM »
Its NOT up to Ouru on whether to retire or not. Ouru will retire. Its not just because Kenya is different from his father's Kenya-that too- but more so because Ouru does not have the Cajuns and the charisma to command the level of loyalty needed to sustain such a daring political feet.  He will not even get the entire GEMA or even Kikuyu behind him on this one because a lot of people want him to move out so that they can move in. Ouru will go with a whimper by 2022 definitely but hopefully sooner.

Yes it was warning shot - anybody who is deluded to imagine Uhuru is retiring soon and start his 2022 manenos is in for a big suprise.
Seems some level headed guys advised him not to drop the likes Kiunjuri and Wamalwa, like the hot potato they way he wanted. Uhuru seems was (still is) determined to throw all those who think they can challenge his stay on the throne, if the hurried first reshuffle is anything to go by. He was ready to throw them under the bus no matter the political miscalculations. I expect corruption scandals to rock Kiunjuri and Wamalwa political boats - by 2022 they will be gasping for air just like Munya.
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