Kenya poverty

[MOON Ki]

No jobs.  That is the crux of the problem.  Lots of bodies consuming dwindling resources and generating little more than biological waste.

Yep.  But, oddly enough, that is what will ultimately "save" the country: a sufficiently large number of  hungry, unemployed youth  waking up to the con, demanding a fair share .... with a promise and "pro-active" efforts to f**k up the place if nothing really changes.  That will take some time, though.   

[Dear Mami]

No jobs.  That is the crux of the problem.  Lots of bodies consuming dwindling resources and generating little more than biological waste.

Yep.  But, oddly enough, that is what will ultimately "save" the country: a sufficiently large number of  hungry, unemployed youth  waking up to the con, demanding a fair share .... with a promise and "pro-active" efforts to f**k up the place if nothing really changes.  That will take some time, though.   

With the level of bitterness I see, it may not be as long as we think. I just don't know any more. Hoping for the best.

@MoonKi, I've been reading, looking for historical examples of reform/reorganization away from vested interests to more common-good kinda systems that happened without this kind of thing you describe...do you know of any? I'm serious about this. The American and French revolutions and the American civil war, they seem to be the norm. Vested interests simply don't willingly give an inch until a monster rises and f***s everything up. The more peaceful changes like the British anti-slavery movement or the global anti-colonial movements seem to have happened within certain structures that allowed these painfully slow, augmented kinda reforms.

[Globalcitizen12]

Kadame5
The Kenyan reforms or future lies in a weakened national or central government..we need to devolve 70 percent power to governors and then another 20 percent in year 2032..NASA needs new leadership to prepare for constitutional amendment to restructure our government to a federal one ..

We should then have supreme courts in each county, police in each county and militias in each county..only the army should be centralized..

[MOON Ki]

@MoonKi, I've been reading, looking for historical examples of reform/reorganization away from vested interests to more common-good kinda systems that happened without this kind of thing you describe...do you know of any? I'm serious about this. The American and French revolutions and the American civil war, they seem to be the norm. Vested interests simply don't willingly give an inch until a monster rises and f***s everything up. The more peaceful changes like the British anti-slavery movement or the global anti-colonial movements seem to have happened within certain structures that allowed these painfully slow, augmented kinda reforms.

I am not a very good historian, but from what I know this one looks like it will end badly.   That's my no. 1 prediction.   

But there is another possibility: perhaps all the increasing numbers of hungry and unemployed youth will realize that it has nothing to do with how the country is run, that  all they have to do is start their small biashara, as Robina suggests.   Then all will be well.     

[Kichwa]

Kadame, If you looking for  big changes then it looks like nothing is changing but I see a lot of changes in peoples attitudes which will definitely produce change. The historical changes in that you have cited took years and are still going on.  2017 will be a very significant year for change in Kenya because historians with the benefit of hindsight will be able to realize that this as the tipping point of  Kenya changing  for the good or for the dogs.

No jobs.  That is the crux of the problem.  Lots of bodies consuming dwindling resources and generating little more than biological waste.

Yep.  But, oddly enough, that is what will ultimately "save" the country: a sufficiently large number of  hungry, unemployed youth  waking up to the con, demanding a fair share .... with a promise and "pro-active" efforts to f**k up the place if nothing really changes.  That will take some time, though.   

With the level of bitterness I see, it may not be as long as we think. I just don't know any more. Hoping for the best.

@MoonKi, I've been reading, looking for historical examples of reform/reorganization away from vested interests to more common-good kinda systems that happened without this kind of thing you describe...do you know of any? I'm serious about this. The American and French revolutions and the American civil war, they seem to be the norm. Vested interests simply don't willingly give an inch until a monster rises and f***s everything up. The more peaceful changes like the British anti-slavery movement or the global anti-colonial movements seem to have happened within certain structures that allowed these painfully slow, augmented kinda reforms.

[Dear Mami]

Kadame5
The Kenyan reforms or future lies in a weakened national or central government..we need to devolve 70 percent power to governors and then another 20 percent in year 2032..NASA needs new leadership to prepare for constitutional amendment to restructure our government to a federal one ..

We should then have supreme courts in each county, police in each county and militias in each county..only the army should be centralized..

Who will allow that? What will this new crop of leaders do to achieve this? Remember, even this Katiba with its paltry 15% devolution happened ONLY because a mini-monster rose up and nearly screwed everything up in 2007/2008. Even then, vested interests still managed to circumvent things and retain a lot in the central locus and with certain people once the monster had been pacified and sent to sleep. That's my whole point. The only places I see where these interests were gradually (painfully so) defeated was in a highly structured and institutionalized Britain. Even the US had to fight a very bloody war to end slavery because there were very powerful groups deeply invested in it. I hope there is another route to the same end and that this route is what Kenya follows.

[Dear Mami]

@MoonKi, I've been reading, looking for historical examples of reform/reorganization away from vested interests to more common-good kinda systems that happened without this kind of thing you describe...do you know of any? I'm serious about this. The American and French revolutions and the American civil war, they seem to be the norm. Vested interests simply don't willingly give an inch until a monster rises and f***s everything up. The more peaceful changes like the British anti-slavery movement or the global anti-colonial movements seem to have happened within certain structures that allowed these painfully slow, augmented kinda reforms.

I am not a very good historian, but from what I know this one looks like it will end badly.   That's my no. 1 prediction.   

But there is another possibility: perhaps all the increasing numbers of hungry and unemployed youth will realize that it has nothing to do with how the country is run, that  all they have to do is start their small biashara, as Robina suggests.   Then all will be well.     

I don't take Robina's suggestion seriously. Talk about priviledge! I know too many hustlers hustling and not succeeding. The idea that its ujinga or laziness stopping these young people from creating businesses is crazy to me. Business thrives in certain environments. Ditto innovation. Kenya is not a very enabling place, more like punitive. If you were born in Dandora or deep in Gusiiland without a rich (and generous) relative to make certain things possible for you, too much will depend on sheer chance. Might as well suggest cake for the hungry people screaming no bread. 

[Georgesoros]

@MoonKi, I've been reading, looking for historical examples of reform/reorganization away from vested interests to more common-good kinda systems that happened without this kind of thing you describe...do you know of any? I'm serious about this. The American and French revolutions and the American civil war, they seem to be the norm. Vested interests simply don't willingly give an inch until a monster rises and f***s everything up. The more peaceful changes like the British anti-slavery movement or the global anti-colonial movements seem to have happened within certain structures that allowed these painfully slow, augmented kinda reforms.

I am not a very good historian, but from what I know this one looks like it will end badly.   That's my no. 1 prediction.   

But there is another possibility: perhaps all the increasing numbers of hungry and unemployed youth will realize that it has nothing to do with how the country is run, that  all they have to do is start their small biashara, as Robina suggests.   Then all will be well.     

I don't take Robina's suggestion seriously. Talk about priviledge! I know too many hustlers hustling and not succeeding. The idea that its ujinga or laziness stopping these young people from creating businesses is crazy to me. Business thrives in certain environments. Ditto innovation. Kenya is not a very enabling place, more like punitive. If you were born in Dandora or deep in Gusiiland without a rich (and generous) relative to make certain things possible for you, too much will depend on sheer chance. Might as well suggest cake for the hungry people screaming no bread. 

Absolutely...
An environment that promotes fairness also promotes business environment. An environment where corruption is rampant also creates uneven societies - Look at Africa and the Mid East where there is no fairness.