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Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« on: November 27, 2017, 02:43:27 PM »
Raila lacks respect of his supporters lives. Oginga Odinga would not have engaged police in bloody battles but would have retreated to Bondo to reengage and reinvogarate the movement. Raila tomorrow memorial show NASA lack of vision. There is no need to confront Uhuru in Nairobi rather this would have been a good move to hold memorial in migori, Mombasa, kilifi, Turkana, machakos and kisumu

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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 04:19:39 PM »
He wanted to be sworn in by Justice Odunga but Kalonzo chickened out.
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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2017, 04:54:41 PM »
Robina-I see you are generating fake news now. Are you bored?

He wanted to be sworn in by Justice Odunga but Kalonzo chickened out.
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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2017, 08:54:40 PM »
He wanted to be sworn in by Justice Odunga but Kalonzo chickened out.

Nonsense..

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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 10:01:23 PM »
Robina-I see you are generating fake news now. Are you bored?

He wanted to be sworn in by Justice Odunga but Kalonzo chickened out.
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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 08:23:47 AM »
Raila derided his father's softness & generosity - thought he could use more "kifua" - that ended with him spending 9yrs in jail for attempting a coup and 50 yrs in his political career he is still far from becoming PORK. Now he is into 70s and he remain as tactless as his father.

Both Raila and Jaramogi are tactless non-strategic thinkers given to short-term moves.  Total contrast to Moi and Ruto now - who dealt with even worse cards still have managed to triump against GEMA machinery.

Raila lacks respect of his supporters lives. Oginga Odinga would not have engaged police in bloody battles but would have retreated to Bondo to reengage and reinvogarate the movement. Raila tomorrow memorial show NASA lack of vision. There is no need to confront Uhuru in Nairobi rather this would have been a good move to hold memorial in migori, Mombasa, kilifi, Turkana, machakos and kisumu

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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 12:26:54 PM »
Pundit - whose better between Moi and Ruto? Considering Moi had to outplay not just Jaramogi but Mboya, Ngala & KADU crew, and then Koinange/Njonjo cabal.
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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 01:00:03 PM »
Definitely Ruto.Moi had to just act loyal, stupid and wait for old kenyatta to drop dead.Ruto has worked his way up purely on merit - by being the most organized, the most nimble, the most intelligent, the most gifted team player and an asset all through his political life - right from Y2k to now.Folks want him in his team (unless they are stupid like Odingas :)) coz the man get the damn job done. Moi played the dumb fool he wasn't dumb of course.Moi had amazing energy like Ruto and would ran round the country every day since 1970s till recently!.Ruto plays nice team player but he aint nice of course - he is ruthless go-getter who snatches & now create opportunities. Ruto is a Tom Mboya - but with huge constituency.

Actually I think Ruto is Moi but with more intellect :)

Pundit - whose better between Moi and Ruto? Considering Moi had to outplay not just Jaramogi but Mboya, Ngala & KADU crew, and then Koinange/Njonjo cabal.

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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 01:17:02 PM »
I think the only thing that helps ruto is kalenjin nationalism and tribalism..he happens to be able to leverage this well..moi was a better tactician..murumbi was the motherfucker that gave up on Kenya and let this goat herder slide in as senile Kenyatta was on his death bed..moi was a Kikuyu greed mistake ..

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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2017, 01:33:37 PM »
It not possible for goat herder to become dpork for 12yrs under the rapacious competitive politics of kenya and pork for 24hrs. Moi once he understood what politics was all about set to win popular support and clearly knew what he was doing.1-2yrs after he was appointed - he was so popular - I don't kenyatta or any cabal would have had him fired ovyo ovyo - and by 1978 clearly no one in Kanu would have won against the insanely popular Moi. A quick google search show this clip of Moi in 1973. This is Ruto modus operandi - he copied from Moi. Stay loyal to Pork. But work hard on gaining your own ground. And nothing works in Kenya like money - harambees or direct donation to small political players! Sonko is doing the same - using money to win support.Part of problem Raila and Kibaki have is their stinginess. Kenya politics like everything else is so corrupted - people will only sing you praise if you pay them - and keep paying them. So steal 1B - donate back 100m :)


I think the only thing that helps ruto is kalenjin nationalism and tribalism..he happens to be able to leverage this well..moi was a better tactician..murumbi was the motherfucker that gave up on Kenya and let this goat herder slide in as senile Kenyatta was on his death bed..moi was a Kikuyu greed mistake ..

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Re: Odinga oginga was more tactical than raila
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2017, 01:44:44 PM »
Raila is stingy because he saw Odinga going bankrupt after spending the family fortune to help people in Bondo..when raila came back from east Germany he found a broke jaramogi under siege from Kenyatta. He vowed never to make the same mistake.

Moi was lucky that njonjo decided to double cross gema mafia when Kenyatta died..njonjo mistake made moi president..1983 njonjo coup also gave moi a chance to purge Kikuyus..otherwise moi would have been killed in 1978 and his body dumped in lake naivasha as it was the plan..the fucker who called the cabinet meeting after Kenyatta death made a tactical mistake of not securing moi and making sure he was killed