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I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« on: November 01, 2017, 09:31:12 PM »
I wonder if these are the same bantus from cameroun

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2017, 09:35:43 PM »
Maina is probably just a common sound around the continent.  It is also a Kalenjin(Nilotes) and Luhya name, just to pick a sample.
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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2017, 09:14:49 AM »
Maina,Nyongi, Chuma - are not bantu names - they are kalenjin names - linked to Kalenjin generation - and possibly denoting Kalenjin settlement of the yore - Nyongi (Mwangi mwaingi) is somewhere in Eastern Uganda. 

Those that copied Kalenjin circumcision also copied the age sets - including Luhyas like Tiriki,Bukusu, Gusii - and Kikuyus (copied from Okiek)
KALENJIN AGE-SET NAME-BANTU AGE-SET NAME
MAINA(kalenjin)-BAMAINA(bantu)
SAWE(kalenjin)-BASAWA(bantu)
CHUMA(kalenjin)-BACHUMA(bantu)

The history of Kalenjin circumcision is long way - definitely pre-dates the islamic conquest in Africa - about 2000 yrs ago - and was possibly copied somewhere in Ancient Egypt - if not from Oromo/Somalis -southern cushites . Maasai largely copied from Oromos
Maina is probably just a common sound around the continent.  It is also a Kalenjin(Nilotes) and Luhya name, just to pick a sample.

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2017, 12:00:11 PM »
Maina,Nyongi, Chuma - are not bantu names - they are kalenjin names - linked to Kalenjin generation - and possibly denoting Kalenjin settlement of the yore - Nyongi (Mwangi mwaingi) is somewhere in Eastern Uganda. 

Those that copied Kalenjin circumcision also copied the age sets - including Luhyas like Tiriki,Bukusu, Gusii - and Kikuyus (copied from Okiek)
KALENJIN AGE-SET NAME-BANTU AGE-SET NAME
MAINA(kalenjin)-BAMAINA(bantu)
SAWE(kalenjin)-BASAWA(bantu)
CHUMA(kalenjin)-BACHUMA(bantu)

The history of Kalenjin circumcision is long way - definitely pre-dates the islamic conquest in Africa - about 2000 yrs ago - and was possibly copied somewhere in Ancient Egypt - if not from Oromo/Somalis -southern cushites . Maasai largely copied from Oromos
Maina is probably just a common sound around the continent.  It is also a Kalenjin(Nilotes) and Luhya name, just to pick a sample.
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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2017, 01:09:46 PM »
Whoah...super interesting! In SA, they seemed utterly unaware that Bantu isn't just another name for a Black African.:D Kenyans found it hard explaining that in Kenya it is just one language group among three unrelated groups :D

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2017, 02:56:10 PM »
Whoah...super interesting! In SA, they seemed utterly unaware that Bantu isn't just another name for a Black African.:D Kenyans found it hard explaining that in Kenya it is just one language group among three unrelated groups :D
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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2017, 03:00:58 PM »
Yeah the groupings of Bantu cushites and nilotes only exist in Kenya education..

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2017, 03:32:14 PM »
Yeah the groupings of Bantu cushites and nilotes only exist in Kenya education..
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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2017, 03:47:19 PM »
Yeah the groupings of Bantu cushites and nilotes only exist in Kenya education..
Really? But I always thought that Bantus were not warlike.

Yes, in the South where nearly everyone is Bantu, the word tends to be associated with blackness/African-ness.

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2017, 03:52:08 PM »
Bantu didn't spread by waging war - they spread after revolutinizing their agriculture with adoption of iron tools - hoes or jembes - leading to more population. They generally settled on foreste rd highlands with lot of rains using iron tools to clear and cultivate- generally interacting with khoisan (okiek/dorobo) who also like forest for bees & honey & foraging. Around the same time pastoralism was equally revolutinizing the spread of nilotes and cushites....along Africa plains.
But I always thought that Bantus were not warlike.

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2017, 04:14:47 PM »
Bantu didn't spread by waging war - they spread after revolutinizing their agriculture with adoption of iron tools - hoes or jembes - leading to more population. They generally settled on foreste rd highlands with lot of rains using iron tools to clear and cultivate- generally interacting with khoisan (okiek/dorobo) who also like forest for bees & honey & foraging. Around the same time pastoralism was equally revolutinizing the spread of nilotes and cushites....along Africa plains.
But I always thought that Bantus were not warlike.

Exactly.  The hunter gatherer groups are by nature friendly people.  That's the impression I have anyway.  These were the folks that Bantus found as they spread South-Eastwards.  Pastoralists have a harsh culture and tend to be bad neighbors.  If you look at the borders of Bantuland , it extends until it runs into areas where the groups would be what I would call hostile.
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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2017, 04:21:06 PM »
Bantu didn't spread by waging war - they spread after revolutinizing their agriculture with adoption of iron tools - hoes or jembes - leading to more population. They generally settled on foreste rd highlands with lot of rains using iron tools to clear and cultivate- generally interacting with khoisan (okiek/dorobo) who also like forest for bees & honey & foraging. Around the same time pastoralism was equally revolutinizing the spread of nilotes and cushites....along Africa plains.
But I always thought that Bantus were not warlike.
It's because Termi said they absorbed other groups without resistance.

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2017, 04:28:01 PM »
Bantu didn't spread by waging war - they spread after revolutinizing their agriculture with adoption of iron tools - hoes or jembes - leading to more population. They generally settled on foreste rd highlands with lot of rains using iron tools to clear and cultivate- generally interacting with khoisan (okiek/dorobo) who also like forest for bees & honey & foraging. Around the same time pastoralism was equally revolutinizing the spread of nilotes and cushites....along Africa plains.
But I always thought that Bantus were not warlike.
It's because Termi said they absorbed other groups without resistance.

Maybe a better term would be they absorbed them using soft power.  They see what the Bantu is doing and they decide to join them.  In Kenya you can even see remnants of that with Sabaots, who I think would have become Luhyas had Kenya been colonized later.  I think a good chunk of Bantu "migration" far away from the origin actually consists of local natives just adopting Bantu culture. 
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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2017, 05:07:32 PM »
Bantu didn't spread by waging war - they spread after revolutinizing their agriculture with adoption of iron tools - hoes or jembes - leading to more population. They generally settled on foreste rd highlands with lot of rains using iron tools to clear and cultivate- generally interacting with khoisan (okiek/dorobo) who also like forest for bees & honey & foraging. Around the same time pastoralism was equally revolutinizing the spread of nilotes and cushites....along Africa plains.
But I always thought that Bantus were not warlike.
It's because Termi said they absorbed other groups without resistance.

Maybe a better term would be they absorbed them using soft power.  They see what the Bantu is doing and they decide to join them.  In Kenya you can even see remnants of that with Sabaots, who I think would have become Luhyas had Kenya been colonized later.  I think a good chunk of Bantu "migration" far away from the origin actually consists of local natives just adopting Bantu culture.
That's an interesting theory. I always did wonder how Bantus reached the tips of East and Southern Africa in such a short time (and populated that whole area too). The structure of the bantu languages remains more or less the same but they are sooo different now. I cannot follow luhya languages (though I can catch quite a few bits of Kimaragoli even though I'm not exactly very good at ekeGusii either) or even kyuk. Coastarian ones I guess I could pick them up because of their close association with Swa. I guess it would be like how latin created French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish and Catalan in the first millennium by mixing with the language of the Gauls of France and their Spanish/Portuguese equivalents (Don't know what they were before). I hear that the Spanish, Catalans and Portuguese can still understand each other, (and even to a smaller extent Italian) but not so with the French.

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2017, 05:41:21 PM »
Bantu didn't spread by waging war - they spread after revolutinizing their agriculture with adoption of iron tools - hoes or jembes - leading to more population. They generally settled on foreste rd highlands with lot of rains using iron tools to clear and cultivate- generally interacting with khoisan (okiek/dorobo) who also like forest for bees & honey & foraging. Around the same time pastoralism was equally revolutinizing the spread of nilotes and cushites....along Africa plains.

Exactly.  The hunter gatherer groups are by nature friendly people.  That's the impression I have anyway.  These were the folks that Bantus found as they spread South-Eastwards.  Pastoralists have a harsh culture and tend to be bad neighbors.  If you look at the borders of Bantuland , it extends until it runs into areas where the groups would be what I would call hostile.
Speaking of hostility, the Maasai were infamous! This kept the Mwarabu from enslaving East African Bantus West of Maasai land for centuries. Bantus of Southern (near central) Africa were raided by them for eons until the British put a stop to it.

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2017, 05:42:08 PM »
Bantu didn't spread by waging war - they spread after revolutinizing their agriculture with adoption of iron tools - hoes or jembes - leading to more population. They generally settled on foreste rd highlands with lot of rains using iron tools to clear and cultivate- generally interacting with khoisan (okiek/dorobo) who also like forest for bees & honey & foraging. Around the same time pastoralism was equally revolutinizing the spread of nilotes and cushites....along Africa plains.
But I always thought that Bantus were not warlike.
It's because Termi said they absorbed other groups without resistance.

Maybe a better term would be they absorbed them using soft power.  They see what the Bantu is doing and they decide to join them.  In Kenya you can even see remnants of that with Sabaots, who I think would have become Luhyas had Kenya been colonized later.  I think a good chunk of Bantu "migration" far away from the origin actually consists of local natives just adopting Bantu culture.
That's an interesting theory. I always did wonder how Bantus reached the tips of East and Southern Africa in such a short time (and populated that whole area too). The structure of the bantu languages remains more or less the same but they are sooo different now. I cannot follow luhya languages (though I can catch quite a few bits of Kimaragoli even though I'm not exactly very good at ekeGusii either) or even kyuk. Coastarian ones I guess I could pick them up because of their close association with Swa. I guess it would be like how latin created French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish and Catalan in the first millennium by mixing with the language of the Gauls of France and their Spanish/Portuguese equivalents (Don't know what they were before). I hear that the Spanish, Catalans and Portuguese can still understand each other, (and even to a smaller extent Italian) but not the French.

It is fascinating indeed.  It totally sucks that the Africans themselves have not bothered to expand on this knowledge of themselves that bazungu were able to readily glean.  Everything we know about Bantus, Nilotes, Cushites, is generally from what the Europeans were able to gather.  We ought to do better than that, with so many linguistics professors in local universities.  They just regurgitate.

Indeed, even among Bantus, there are further groupings above what we would normally consider a linguistic tribe.  All Ugandan and Rwandan Bantus, Luhya languages and Ekegusii fall under the great lakes Bantu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Bantu_languages.  I think this group was a result of a direct West to East thrust of the Bantu expansion.

What is interesting is you will see that Maragoli are put in a different group, same group as Kisii, from the rest of the Luhya.  Yet, they view themselves as Luhyas, again the power of the colonizer to shape self image.  Ultimately, you are who you think you are. 

Gikuyu, Meru, Kamba etc form another branch at the same level.  They emerged from a group that arrived from the South, having gone South then East then North.  You will see a lot of Maasai types absorbed by these groups.

Romance languages are a good and better documented approximation of the Bantu phenomenon.  I know native Portuguese speakers have no problem understanding Spanish, but it's a little harder for the Spanish speaker to understand Portuguese.
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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2017, 06:10:43 PM »
Having studied gikuyu history..the agikuyu are conglomeration of about 7 subtribes that joined them. That is why the mythology of kikuyu origin talks of different daughter giving birth to different clans..over time Kikuyus had assimilated highland pgymies or dorobos, maasai, boranas etc

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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 06:37:50 PM »
I was watching madgascar documentary..the place is melting pot..Indians and Indonesians got there firts, then Africans, Arabs and Portuguese..there Kenyans on the island from mombasa who now claim french citizenship..

The Kenyans were captured as slaves by people Portuguese slave traders

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2017, 09:57:52 AM »
Having studied gikuyu history..the agikuyu are conglomeration of about 7 subtribes that joined them. That is why the mythology of kikuyu origin talks of different daughter giving birth to different clans..over time Kikuyus had assimilated highland pgymies or dorobos, maasai, boranas etc
Interesting. My mom told me that there is a belief among some that the lighter skinned Kyuks are decended from mixed race children (with bazungu). I never believed it because you have all skin tones among all groups and bazungu haven't been here so long that their influence could be hidden, yes? Perhaps they confused this absorption of cushites and others with bazungu children.

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Re: I see the name maina in Nigeria..
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2017, 06:36:53 PM »
Having studied gikuyu history..the agikuyu are conglomeration of about 7 subtribes that joined them. That is why the mythology of kikuyu origin talks of different daughter giving birth to different clans..over time Kikuyus had assimilated highland pgymies or dorobos, maasai, boranas etc
Interesting. My mom told me that there is a belief among some that the lighter skinned Kyuks are decended from mixed race children (with bazungu). I never believed it because you have all skin tones among all groups and bazungu haven't been here so long that their influence could be hidden, yes? Perhaps they confused this absorption of cushites and others with bazungu children.

Gikuyu, like most Kenyan Bantus, are literally on the outer margins of Bantu existence.  Bordered by non-Bantus on almost all directions.  A perfect example of the mixed bag of groups that pass for what we call Bantu migration.  Some Bantu group(s) move into the area, but the resultant group which adopts the Bantu culture is largely made up of local previously non-Bantu elements.  A large Maasai, Ogiek and even cushitic element is pretty evident among the Kikuyu.
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