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Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« on: October 26, 2017, 12:15:15 PM »
She is considered one of the front runners to replace ubercorrupt current President.
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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 01:57:37 PM »
It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 04:11:47 PM »
It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
Ramaphosa comes from a small tribe.  Venda or Tsonga.  One of those.  To be fair, SA has not reached that level of ukabila yet, but you still have to wonder.  But he is not a credible wealth redistribution guy.
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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 05:28:36 PM »
It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
Ramaphosa comes from a small tribe.  Venda or Tsonga.  One of those.  To be fair, SA has not reached that level of ukabila yet, but you still have to wonder.  But he is not a credible wealth redistribution guy.

Yeah Ramaphosa is perceived as pro-business like Mbeki. He has a long clean CV. SA is a parliamentary system which works for the small tribes. Mbeki I think was from a small tribe. Mzungu economic monopoly is still the determining factor. Noone has the balls to crack that nut. Malema's EFF is a radical redistribution party - Mugabe-style - but has not gained traction.
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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 06:09:23 PM »
It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
Ramaphosa comes from a small tribe.  Venda or Tsonga.  One of those.  To be fair, SA has not reached that level of ukabila yet, but you still have to wonder.  But he is not a credible wealth redistribution guy.

Yeah Ramaphosa is perceived as pro-business like Mbeki. He has a long clean CV. SA is a parliamentary system which works for the small tribes. Mbeki I think was from a small tribe. Mzungu economic monopoly is still the determining factor. Noone has the balls to crack that nut. Malema's EFF is a radical redistribution party - Mugabe-style - but has not gained traction.

Mbeki is Xhosa(number 2 after their Zulu cousins).  But I agree the parliamentary system seems to be what works in most parts of the world. 

Malema, another small tribe guy(same group as Ramaphosa I think), is a populist, like Zuma was before coming to power.  Once in power, they change tune.
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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2017, 06:17:06 PM »
Tax those who have the wealth, take that money and build cities for those who live in these slums. The building boom will create jobs and lift the lives of the slum class. Forcefully taking property will not work in Africa. Mugabe did it but it has left the country worse off. The well connected got the land and started selling it to the people who were supposed to get it for free!!

It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
Ramaphosa comes from a small tribe.  Venda or Tsonga.  One of those.  To be fair, SA has not reached that level of ukabila yet, but you still have to wonder.  But he is not a credible wealth redistribution guy.

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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2017, 08:22:11 PM »
It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
Ramaphosa comes from a small tribe.  Venda or Tsonga.  One of those.  To be fair, SA has not reached that level of ukabila yet, but you still have to wonder.  But he is not a credible wealth redistribution guy.

Yeah Ramaphosa is perceived as pro-business like Mbeki. He has a long clean CV. SA is a parliamentary system which works for the small tribes. Mbeki I think was from a small tribe. Mzungu economic monopoly is still the determining factor. Noone has the balls to crack that nut. Malema's EFF is a radical redistribution party - Mugabe-style - but has not gained traction.

Mbeki is Xhosa(number 2 after their Zulu cousins).  But I agree the parliamentary system seems to be what works in most parts of the world. 

Malema, another small tribe guy(same group as Ramaphosa I think), is a populist, like Zuma was before coming to power.  Once in power, they change tune.

I think once in power the reality is different from the sidelines. There are laws, investors, international community, etc to mind and not just the base. If the radical proposals of land, mines and company ownership transfer are effected the investors will flee. SA will not go for the Zim path so the rhetoric will remain just that.
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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2017, 08:25:06 PM »
There is an optimum tax and if you exceed it the investors will move capital to better places next door. Botswana and Namibia would reap big from any economic blunders in SA.

Tax those who have the wealth, take that money and build cities for those who live in these slums. The building boom will create jobs and lift the lives of the slum class. Forcefully taking property will not work in Africa. Mugabe did it but it has left the country worse off. The well connected got the land and started selling it to the people who were supposed to get it for free!!

It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
Ramaphosa comes from a small tribe.  Venda or Tsonga.  One of those.  To be fair, SA has not reached that level of ukabila yet, but you still have to wonder.  But he is not a credible wealth redistribution guy.
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Re: Dlamini Zuma In Gupta Investigation
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2017, 09:51:00 PM »
There is an optimum tax and if you exceed it the investors will move capital to better places next door. Botswana and Namibia would reap big from any economic blunders in SA.

Tax those who have the wealth, take that money and build cities for those who live in these slums. The building boom will create jobs and lift the lives of the slum class. Forcefully taking property will not work in Africa. Mugabe did it but it has left the country worse off. The well connected got the land and started selling it to the people who were supposed to get it for free!!

It seems Ramaphosa has a rough ride trying to succeed Zuma. He is leading in the opinion polls so far. My hope is that the ANC slides below 50% in the 2019 elections - which will force them to embrace anti-corruption and meritocracy - as they face serious DA and EFF onslaughts. Right now Dlamini-Zuma and Ramaphosa are competing on the wealth redistribution platform - corruption is not in the picture.
Ramaphosa comes from a small tribe.  Venda or Tsonga.  One of those.  To be fair, SA has not reached that level of ukabila yet, but you still have to wonder.  But he is not a credible wealth redistribution guy.
Tax is better than grabbing people's property.