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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2017, 12:11:26 AM »
"Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas," Jobs is quoted as saying in 2011.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2017, 12:24:02 AM »
To me the greatest mind of today is Elon Musk. Dude has sweeping vision and energy. Ford, GM, etc are losing out to Tesla... despite billions of capital & experience - with Tesla gigafactories popping up everywhere. Show me another company in cutthroat competitive industry like Auto with 1yr+ of advance orders with down payments 8) Plus taking over the green energy sector. Even the Amazon dude is seeing dust fighting with Musk for space industry... where SpaceX suddenly has 60% of global market as 15yo company. Beating kina Boeing hands down.

Actually between Gates, Musk and Jobs, Jobs is the hawker.  The other guys have some technical chops on their resumes.  If Musk was fantasy, NASA would not be doing business with him.  NASA demands proof that you can deliver in the fields of hard(as opposed to consumer) science and technology.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2017, 06:19:52 AM »
Bill Gates is a software genius...while jobs was great with hardware.

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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2017, 08:09:18 AM »
You're so wrong. Noone ever "created" any science or tech. Obviously auto started long before Tesla including EV. Well, even computers started long ago before Jobs & Gates with kina Alan Turing, GE dude Tom Edison, etc. Before that kina Faraday started electricity, including Musk's hero Nikola Tesla who singularly invented AC - alternating current elec - what transformed power distribution to light cities. Eons earlier we had likes of Newton who invented quantum theory of particles... noone owns anything wholly really. Like they say everyone is a genius in some unknown area... Biggest difference is marketing - entrepreneurship - ability to create hype & mobilize resources and fandom. Like Gates, Jobs and Musk.

EVs had died before Musk showed up. I read GM actually crashed the last of the "unprofitable" EVs into a yard somewhere. Same as rocket/space industry - NASA and airforce were mono-sourcing to ULA - Lockheed & Boeing sub - for super-expensive launches that even Russia could not hack. Before Elon showed up with SpaceX NASA moronically estimated that a Mars venture would cost US$200B :o :o Launching a satellite was actually US$200M - installing commercial satellites out there for telcos, etc - well, Musk has cut that down to US$60M 8) That is real value if you ask me - and Airforce & NASA were too embarassed to continue mono-sourcing to ULA - and SpaceX promptly took over the big contracts.

Fossil fuels - gasoline - are the biggest cause of pollution and global warming. Meaning EVs & green energy. From US$150K for Model X to US$35K Model 3.

So Musk actually says: currently you need US$10B fare per head to go to Mars. He wants to slash that to US$200K per head - that's 50K times efficiency 8) - and he's doing it with reusable rockets. Innovating at mind-boggling rate that noone can keep up. Tesla & SpaceX are top 5 most innovative companies globally if am right.

Availing super-tech solutions to the masses for cheap - that's something.


I never said created, I said contributed to science and tech.

If you notice, all you can praise for Musk is dreams and promises...nothing tangible or concrete.
Musk is basically

Electric cars-Tesla
Batteries and green energy- Solar City
Space tech- SpaceX

Solar City is burning losses plus their batteries are manufactured elsewhere so nothing worth talking about

If you believe that a company that sells 80K in a year is worth more than one that pushes 10M units, you have a big problem. This is market hubris, get ready for a reset
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-tesla-idUSKBN17C1XFsays not Musk does
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2017, 11:23:02 AM »
says not Musk does

Roger that vooke. Innovation means doing more and better for less.

SpaceX - 60% marketshare of commercial space launch. This sector was previously dead as dodo and dominated by ULA, Europe (France) & Russia. Cost per launch drop from US$200M to 60M. How is that hot air? Solid tech, solid action, solid cost savings. SpaceX is a private company valued at $20B. No Wall Street speculation unlike Tesla. And this startup is 15 years old unlike 100 years old Lockheed Martin & Boeing  :)

http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a27290/one-chart-spacex-dominate-rocket-launches/

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The relatively inexpensive cost of a Falcon 9 launch, staring at around $62 million, has also lead the Department of Defense to move away from their old go-to, United Launch Alliance, a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed Martin.




Tesla - the market is not crazy to value them at $57B... higher than Ford, GM & Daimler and all the other luxury auto brands. None of those companies have any advance orders unlike Tesla. Tesla has not sold few units for lack of customers but rather lack of production capacity... which is what the gigafactories are about... and why batteries are outsourced to Panasonic. While GM and others face shrinking demand. You may be aware most govts - US, EU, Far East, Aussie - have mandated EV in coming decade. This escalating shift to clean energy is what fuels the big evaluation of Tesla Inc - Motors & Energy - not hot air. They will continue to dominate EV market - which will supplant gasoline auto - and push those dinosaurs you're praising out of business. That's why a 15 year old startup with 1% of market is 3rd most valuable - after Toyota & Nissan - 100 year old companies. The Japs are a tough nut to crack.


Musk - have you looked at his profile? Dozens of innovation awards says something. Unlike Jobs & Gates who had a handful in their days. Musk at 35years already was Global Innovator of the Year for a few years mfululizo... this is the award that got Dr James Mwangi of Equity kudos all round Africa including from Raila :D Do you think the issuers of these awards don't know anything? Are they just as sold to the hype as Wall Street?
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2017, 12:16:33 PM »
Pastor vooke - Musk at $20B networth... will soon catch up with Gates 80B as we move to EV gloally. And satellite supplants telco for telephony & internet supply. He already beat Jobs meagre $6B networth :)

How are about these awards - enough to feel a home library :D - do you suppose they are hot air?
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  • In 2006, Musk served as a member of the United States National Academy of Sciences Aeronautics and Space Engineering Board.[197]
  • R&D Magazine Innovator of the Year for 2007 for SpaceX, Tesla, and SolarCity.[198]
  • Inc Magazine Entrepreneur of the Year award for 2007 for his work on Tesla and SpaceX.[199]
  • 2007 Index Design award for his design of the Tesla Roadster.[200] Global Green 2006 product design award for his design of the Tesla Roadster, presented by Mikhail Gorbachev.[201]
  • American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics George Low award for the most outstanding contribution in the field of space transportation in 2007/2008. Musk was recognized for his design of the Falcon 1, the first privately developed liquid-fuel rocket to reach orbit.[202]
  • National Wildlife Federation 2008 National Conservation Achievement award for Tesla and SolarCity. Other 2008 recipients include journalist Thomas Friedman, U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT), and Florida Governor Charlie Crist.[203]
  • The Aviation Week 2008 Laureate for the most significant achievement worldwide in the space industry.[204]
  • National Space Society's Von Braun Trophy in 2008/2009, given for leadership of the most significant achievement in space. Prior recipients include Burt Rutan and Steve Squyres.[205]
  • Automotive Executive of the Year (worldwide) in 2010 for demonstrating technology leadership and innovation via Tesla. Prior awardees include Bill Ford Jr, Bob Lutz, Dieter Zetsche and Lee Iacocca. Musk is the youngest ever recipient of this award.[206]
  • Listed as one of Time's 100 people who most affected the world in 2010.[207]
  • Named as one of the 75 most influential people of the 21st century by Esquire magazine.[79]
  • Recognized as a Living Legend of Aviation in 2010 by the Kitty Hawk Foundation for creating the successor to the Space Shuttle (Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon spacecraft). Other recipients include Buzz Aldrin and Richard Branson.[209]
  • In 2010, Musk was elected to the board of trustees of the California Institute of Technology,[210] however no longer holds the position.[211]
  • In a 2010 Space Foundation survey, he was ranked as the No. 10 (tied with rocketry pioneer and scientist Wernher von Braun) most popular space hero.[212]
  • In February 2011, Forbes listed Musk as one of "America's 20 Most Powerful CEOs 40 And Under".[213]
  • In June 2011, Musk was awarded the US$250,000 Heinlein Prize for Advances in Space Commercialization[214]
  • In 2011, Musk was honored as a Legendary Leader at the Churchill Club Awards.[215]
  • In 2012, Musk was awarded the Royal Aeronautical Society's highest award: a Gold Medal.[216]
  • Musk was the 2012 recipient of Smithsonian magazine's American Ingenuity Award in the Technology category.
  • In 2013, Musk was named the Fortune Businessperson of the year for SpaceX, SolarCity, and Tesla.[217]
  • In 2015, he was awarded IEEE Honorary Membership.[218]
  • As of 2015, Musk serves on the board of advisors of Social Concepts, Inc.[219]
  • In 2016, The Drive, a division of Time, named Musk the most influential person in the car business and as the second most influential person in the automotive tech sector.[220]
  • In June 2016, Business Insider named Musk one of the "Top 10 Business Visionaries Creating Value for the World" along with Mark Zuckerberg and Sal Khan.[221]
  • In December 2016, Musk was ranked 21st on Forbes list of The World's Most Powerful People.[23]
  • In March 2017, Musk was listed by UK-based company Richtopia at number 3 in the list of 200 Most Influential Philanthropists and Social Entrepreneurs.[222][223]

Honorary doctorates
  • Honorary doctorate in Design from the Art Center College of Design[224]
  • Honorary doctorate (DUniv) in Aerospace Engineering from the University of Surrey[225]
  • Honorary doctorate of Engineering and Technology from Yale University[226]
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2017, 12:35:11 PM »
Yup. Windows & Microsoft Office is Gates legacy. While Jobs created Mac, iPod, iPhone & iPad - hardwares. Jobs wins because Gates was stuck in enterprise/corporate stuff while Jobs dominated consumer. Apple revenue is 3X Microsoft's. Simple maths.

Bill Gates is a software genius...while jobs was great with hardware.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2017, 12:38:52 PM »
Actually between Gates, Musk and Jobs, Jobs is the hawker.  The other guys have some technical chops on their resumes.  If Musk was fantasy, NASA would not be doing business with him.  NASA demands proof that you can deliver in the fields of hard(as opposed to consumer) science and technology.

Jobs' expertise was hardware design - aesthetics - while Gates was software guru. Apple took over consumer vs MS enterprise dominance. MS failed spectacularly in mobile - buying brain-dead Nokia :D - and watched haplessly as Apple, Google & Amazon ran amok. MS ex-CEO Steve Ballmer even attempted to buy now-dead Yahoo :D - to merge with Bing - instead of innovating. In the end Gates hired Indian dude - Satya Nadella - as new CEO to save him in mobile & cloud. Ballmer actually "retired" due to dismal performance as competitors ran circles around MS.

Musk excels in both hw & sw starting with Paypal then cutting metal live-live with cars & rockets. Musk has serious tech chops - as chief designer of Tesla and CTO of SpaceX. Jobs and Gates are child's play to Musk.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2017, 01:07:58 PM »
Another dinosaur that will die shortly - like GM, Ford, et al - is IBM. I recently as last year was in a project to create apps for Watson API - and discovered it's full of bugs and half-baked functions. Very poorly designed too. We actually resorted to Google DeepMind. The lady exec who picked Watson was cut loose - for derailing the project big-time in time & cost. Ginny Rometty should accept her shortcomings and step aside like Uber dude - for some young Musk or Zuckerberg :) - while he she has a chance.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2017, 02:15:53 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/exclusive-peek-at-spacex-data-shows-loss-in-2015-heavy-expectations-for-nascent-internet-service-1484316455
As a CEO or board - your concern is investors - followed by customers. Stock price is the ultimate metric that tells you what investors think about your company. Not profits. If Tesla investors (owners) cared about profits the stock would tank. GM despite huge profits has sinking stock - due to dismal innovation and shrinking market.

Check here Musk's targets - no profit - just operating margins & marketshare. Why should he care about profits - when his boss the stock holders don't care?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/another-tesla-win-elon-musks-compensation-plan-is-executive-pay-done-right-2016-04-22

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Musk gets 10% of his options every time Tesla adds (and sustains) $4 billion in new stock market value up to $43.2 billion, as long as the company also meets an operational goal that accompanies the milestone. Those include getting the Model X crossover through development and on to the market, then doing the same for the less expensive Model 3 sedan whose 2017 debut will make Tesla a mass-market producer.


USAF will probably grant them more contracts but note the reasons. It is no innovation just price war. And quite possibly they are incurring losses just to give a semblance of innovation.
Innovation is independently measured - by Forbes, Fortune, academia, etc - and Tesla & SpaceX are top globally. ULA, Lockheed, GM, Ford, etc are nowhere near the top. 8)

Most innovative companies 2017: 1.Salesforce  2.Tesla  3.Amazon  4.Shanghai RAAS  5.Netflix ....
https://www.forbes.com/innovative-companies/list/

Price war is there in many sectors. If ULA had any value outside monopoly it would not lose on price alone. For instance Apple gadgets are twice as expensive as say Samsung yet dominates market with other redeeming strengths. ULA & the Europeans & Russians are simply not innovative. No value-adds. So price alone kills them. ULA sublets everything to contractors who in turn sublet. Layers of fat mean it cannot compete on price. Musk knows this and is eating their lunch.


All valuation is independent of course. So the $21B for SpaceX is legit - that's why separate valuers come to the same figure. Otherwise Google et al would not sink in billions for minor stakes.

400K units of Tesla Model 3 are pre-ordered ... deliverable by end of 2018. Panicked GM & Ford dealers are pushing state laws to ban Tesla direct sales. You order a Tesla online and pick it at the factory - on a future date - cause there are no huge inventories lying around like Toyota and GM... who need sales reps to push old stock down your throat.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2017, 02:28:53 PM »
vooke - imagine this "Other US" is ULA - Lockheed & Boeing - who will be reduced to 0% this year  :D :D Decimated by SpaceX in 4 years.

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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2017, 07:12:01 PM »


His take on making life multiplanetary.  I enjoy his views on this, even though I am less optimistic.  Until I see it with my eyes, I will continue to consider the universe as a place uniquely suited to making sure that earthlings cannot survive long beyond that thin blanket that is our atmosphere.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2017, 09:27:20 PM »
Windy did that happen on Thursday?? Oh my, how did I forget :(

The issue will be habitability of Mars obviously. He claims the atmosphere - CO2 & H2O - makes it perfect to produce rocket fuel. A depot will be setup by 2024 once the pioneer crew arrive. First mission 2022.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2017, 09:32:00 PM »
BFR = Big F**g Rocket :)

Like that sea droneship used as launchpad off California... "Just Read The F**g Manual" :D

These stuff are branded by nerds.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2017, 10:46:35 AM »
You're nuts - Bill Gates has been richest man in planet for how many years now - and Apple has been in out of bankruptcy for years - now ridding on Iphone - which like RIM's blackberry is little toy that cannot outlast a company as big as Microsoft. Bill Gates build a solid company and has gone ahead to do amazing things in philanthropy. Bill gates brilliance didn't start yesterday - his IQ was always off the charts.
Yup. Windows & Microsoft Office is Gates legacy. While Jobs created Mac, iPod, iPhone & iPad - hardwares. Jobs wins because Gates was stuck in enterprise/corporate stuff while Jobs dominated consumer. Apple revenue is 3X Microsoft's. Simple maths.

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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2017, 03:27:25 PM »
Stege jobs Equal trump. a marketing genius. However he was a fucking flawed individual, a toxic personality, he creat d a cult about apple prducts..to me apple products are exepnsive for no reason..I am an Android person. I refuse to pay for technology or innovation in a consumer product...Steve jobs started to eat a fruit diet to cure himself of cancer.the telsa guy is another marketer and fraudster. He bough two plants in my hood that were  form general motor plants..he got a few subsidies from State ..the bugger never even set his foot in there they never even got a can of paint..he took the valuation and press from this and used it to defraud wallstreet..

Bill gates ..that is a genius ..he is wise man..his legacy will live long ..after iPhone apple will do what?

Like one tech told me..apple is for Americans they are so daft they cannot know when they are being sold shit.. corporate America needs to abandon iPhone and if will crash and burn

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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2017, 04:18:36 PM »
Ruto's rich too :) Bill struck out with lady luck in enterprise software. I was basing my rating Jobs higher on Bill's spectacular screwups whenever he attempted consumer computing. Thank God you are above all that.

You're nuts - Bill Gates has been richest man in planet for how many years now - and Apple has been in out of bankruptcy for years - now ridding on Iphone - which like RIM's blackberry is little toy that cannot outlast a company as big as Microsoft. Bill Gates build a solid company and has gone ahead to do amazing things in philanthropy. Bill gates brilliance didn't start yesterday - his IQ was always off the charts.
Yup. Windows & Microsoft Office is Gates legacy. While Jobs created Mac, iPod, iPhone & iPad - hardwares. Jobs wins because Gates was stuck in enterprise/corporate stuff while Jobs dominated consumer. Apple revenue is 3X Microsoft's. Simple maths.
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2017, 04:44:48 PM »
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Re: Playboy Interviews Steve Jobs circa 1985
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2017, 05:01:12 PM »
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