No nusu mkate - Uhuru will continue until new PORK is sworn in

[RV Pundit]

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[Kichwa]

So what did you expect from the consigliere?

[RV Pundit]

Legal advice from Principal Legal Advisor of Gok. Obviously Orengo is trying to find panya route for Raila but there is none.

So what did you expect from the consigliere?

[bryan275]

So what did you expect from the consigliere?

I would have been a lot more surprised with a different "opinion" from the mortician.  We've entered the third day of hearing his "opinions" via various mouthpieces.

This is a coup... first they rig an election, compromise the IEBC and some of the judges, and now they're clinging onto power at ALL costs.

People power will steamroller these criminals.  Si hata Arap Moi alienda Kabarak?


P.S - Jubilidiots need to get it into their heads that nobody wants to in government with criminals. 

[Kichwa]

To avoid constitutional crisis all IEBC needs is to be truly independent and make the necessary reforms. If they continue to listen to WSR, then NASA will not be cowed but will take the best cause of action for this country. Threats and intimidation  do not work anymore ma brada. Ouru's will always be an underwhelming tribal, corrupt and failed presidency no matter how long he imposes himself on the people.
How he stole the 2013 and the 2017 will be exposed and our children and grandchildren will look back at him in disgrace.

Legal advice from Principal Legal Advisor of Gok. Obviously Orengo is trying to find panya route for Raila but there is none.

So what did you expect from the consigliere?

[RV Pundit]

You speak for the minority..and we have children too.

To avoid constitutional crisis all IEBC needs is to be truly independent and make the necessary reforms. If they continue to listen to WSR, then NASA will not be cowed but will take the best cause of action for this country. Threats and intimidation  do not work anymore ma brada. Ouru's will always be an underwhelming tribal, corrupt and failed presidency no matter how long he imposes himself on the people.
How he stole the 2013 and the 2017 will be exposed and our children and grandchildren will look back at him in disgrace.

[gout]

Incompetent Uhuru is sounding like the drunk jokes that men have become who keep asking the kids  "mnajua mimi ni nani?"

[Kichwa]

Who made you the majority?  Besides, the constitution protects all citizens. Here is the deal. IEBC will make a decision on whether to make changes or Not. NASA will decide whether they will participate or not in the elections. If there are no elections and Ouru is sworn in unconstitutionally, then we go to court and the court will determine his legitimacy.

You speak for the minority..and we have children too.

To avoid constitutional crisis all IEBC needs is to be truly independent and make the necessary reforms. If they continue to listen to WSR, then NASA will not be cowed but will take the best cause of action for this country. Threats and intimidation  do not work anymore ma brada. Ouru's will always be an underwhelming tribal, corrupt and failed presidency no matter how long he imposes himself on the people.
How he stole the 2013 and the 2017 will be exposed and our children and grandchildren will look back at him in disgrace.

[bryan275]

Who made you the majority?  Besides, the constitution protects all citizens. Here is the deal. IEBC will make a decision on whether to make changes or Not. NASA will decide whether they will participate or not in the elections. If there are no elections and Ouru is sworn in unconstitutionally, then we go to court and the court will determine his legitimacy.

You speak for the minority..and we have children too.

To avoid constitutional crisis all IEBC needs is to be truly independent and make the necessary reforms. If they continue to listen to WSR, then NASA will not be cowed but will take the best cause of action for this country. Threats and intimidation  do not work anymore ma brada. Ouru's will always be an underwhelming tribal, corrupt and failed presidency no matter how long he imposes himself on the people.
How he stole the 2013 and the 2017 will be exposed and our children and grandchildren will look back at him in disgrace.

They have the numbers don't you know.  I am still wondering why the majority chose to rig the elections.... very weird.

[Nefertiti]

NASA will dig itself into a hole taking a hard position on caretaker government - or expired presidential mandate - because it is tough for a judge to allow crisis. Everyone will work to avoid crisis - and the easy path is allow incumbent to serve until new PORK is declared. I don't see caretaker govt materializing.

But noone expects any objectivity from crony AG - who can be dismissed like a CS under 2010 constitution. Githu is actually Uhuru's cousin - appointed to shield him from ICC by Kibaki.

[Kichwa]

Very strange indeed. These are the most arrogant thieves I have seen. Most common thieves do not insist that the proceeds of theft belongs to them after the court finds that those proceeds were  acquired illegally and/or irregulary.

Who made you the majority?  Besides, the constitution protects all citizens. Here is the deal. IEBC will make a decision on whether to make changes or Not. NASA will decide whether they will participate or not in the elections. If there are no elections and Ouru is sworn in unconstitutionally, then we go to court and the court will determine his legitimacy.

You speak for the minority..and we have children too.

To avoid constitutional crisis all IEBC needs is to be truly independent and make the necessary reforms. If they continue to listen to WSR, then NASA will not be cowed but will take the best cause of action for this country. Threats and intimidation  do not work anymore ma brada. Ouru's will always be an underwhelming tribal, corrupt and failed presidency no matter how long he imposes himself on the people.
How he stole the 2013 and the 2017 will be exposed and our children and grandchildren will look back at him in disgrace.

They have the numbers don't you know.  I am still wondering why the majority chose to rig the elections.... very weird.

[Kichwa]

Robina, let me remind you that we are a constitutional democracy. It is therefore not for "NASA should allow". The legitimacy of a president should be determined by the constitution as interpreted by the court. Let the court decide. Do not worry about NASA making a mistake or not. Why ain't you saying that Jubilee should not make the mistake of not following the the spirit and the letter of the law. 

NASA will dig itself into a hole taking a hard position on caretaker government - or expired presidential mandate - because it is tough for a judge to allow crisis. Everyone will work to avoid crisis - and the easy path is allow incumbent to serve until new PORK is declared. I don't see caretaker govt materializing.

But noone expects any objectivity from crony AG - who can be dismissed like a CS under 2010 constitution. Githu is actually Uhuru's cousin - appointed to shield him from ICC by Kibaki.

[RV Pundit]

Don't despair - here is Raila trying to get NUSU mkate in Kiambu
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-Raila-share-platform/1056-4107400-eqpfnh/index.html

[RV Pundit]

The constitution has nothing like caretaker gov. In event Uhuru or Ruto cannot be pork - the Speaker of National Assembly assume that position. There is simply no route for panya route except via ammending the constitution.

Uhuru of course will stay until Uhuru get elected. However long it takes - Uhuru will still win - even if we go for fresh election or re-run 10 times.

<sub>In the event of any vacany in that office - article 146 kicks in.

1) The office of President shall become vacant if the holder of the office--

(a) dies;
(b) resigns, in writing, addressed to the Speaker of the National Assembly; or
(c) otherwise ceases to hold office under Article 144 or 145 or under any other provision of this Constitution.

(2) When a vacancy occurs in the office of President --

(a) the Deputy President shall assume office as President for the remainder of the term of the President; or
(b) if the office of Deputy President is vacant, or the Deputy President is unable to assume the office of President, the Speaker of the National Assembly shall act as President and an election to the office of President
shall be held within sixty days after the vacancy arose in the office of President.

(3) A person who assumes the office of President under clause (2) (a), or following an election required by clause (2) (b), shall, unless otherwise removed from office under this Constitution, hold office until a newly elected President is sworn in following the next regularly scheduled election under Article 136(2)(a).
(4) If the Deputy President assumes office as President under clause (2) (a), or a person is elected to the office of President under clause (2) (b), the Deputy President, or the person elected, shall be deemed for the purposes of Article 142 (2)--

(a) to have served a full term as President if, at the date on which the person assumed office, more than two and a half years remain before the date of the next regularly scheduled election under Article 136 (2)(a); or
(b) not to have served a term of office as President, in any other case.</sub>

NASA will dig itself into a hole taking a hard position on caretaker government - or expired presidential mandate - because it is tough for a judge to allow crisis. Everyone will work to avoid crisis - and the easy path is allow incumbent to serve until new PORK is declared. I don't see caretaker govt materializing.

But noone expects any objectivity from crony AG - who can be dismissed like a CS under 2010 constitution. Githu is actually Uhuru's cousin - appointed to shield him from ICC by Kibaki.

[RV Pundit]

One minute you say you respect the constitution and the court. The next you claim Uhuru stole..when same court found him innocent of all IEBC fumbles. You see we are the majority - if you use MPs (parliamentary system , Senators, MCAS, Governors, Women rep and name it. We are waiting for repeat election to restore Uhuru with an even BIGGER mandate than 54% - who knows - Uhuru may just get 63% that coupled with parliament super-majority would give him the mandate and legitimacy to change the constitution.

You clearly are outnumbered and you recourse as far as I can see is THE courts...where you hope to get another hail mary pass. I don't think anybody is that lucky. You have a huge first in Africa HAIL MARY PASS - and you think you can rush to the same court - for another concentrate on this election and try to get 43% - otherwise it gonna be a real arse whopping - 39% as I see it today against Uhuru 61%. That is worse than dog beating - it's arse whomping dog-beating.

Very strange indeed. These are the most arrogant thieves I have seen. Most common thieves do not insist that the proceeds of theft belongs to them after the court finds that those proceeds were  acquired illegally and/or irregulary.

[Nefertiti]

A hole - what will happen if NASA boycotts the polls - say if IEBC rejects reforms - and a judge throws a spanner in their system? Uhuru is not boycotting the elections so I see no hole for him.

Robina, let me remind you that we are a constitutional democracy. It is therefore not for "NASA should allow". The legitimacy of a president should be determined by the constitution as interpreted by the court. Let the court decide. Do not worry about NASA making a mistake or not. Why ain't you saying that Jubilee should not make the mistake of not following the the spirit and the letter of the law. 

[Nefertiti]

I am sure there is some clause or ruling about temporary incumbency - for 60 days only - which Omollo will dig up soon

The constitution has nothing like caretaker gov. In event Uhuru or Ruto cannot be pork - the Speaker of National Assembly assume that position. There is simply no route for panya route except via ammending the constitution.

Uhuru of course will stay until Uhuru get elected. However long it takes - Uhuru will still win - even if we go for fresh election or re-run 10 times.

<sub>In the event of any vacany in that office - article 146 kicks in.

1) The office of President shall become vacant if the holder of the office--

(a) dies;
(b) resigns, in writing, addressed to the Speaker of the National Assembly; or
(c) otherwise ceases to hold office under Article 144 or 145 or under any other provision of this Constitution.

(2) When a vacancy occurs in the office of President --

(a) the Deputy President shall assume office as President for the remainder of the term of the President; or
(b) if the office of Deputy President is vacant, or the Deputy President is unable to assume the office of President, the Speaker of the National Assembly shall act as President and an election to the office of President
shall be held within sixty days after the vacancy arose in the office of President.

(3) A person who assumes the office of President under clause (2) (a), or following an election required by clause (2) (b), shall, unless otherwise removed from office under this Constitution, hold office until a newly elected President is sworn in following the next regularly scheduled election under Article 136(2)(a).
(4) If the Deputy President assumes office as President under clause (2) (a), or a person is elected to the office of President under clause (2) (b), the Deputy President, or the person elected, shall be deemed for the purposes of Article 142 (2)--

(a) to have served a full term as President if, at the date on which the person assumed office, more than two and a half years remain before the date of the next regularly scheduled election under Article 136 (2)(a); or
(b) not to have served a term of office as President, in any other case.</sub>

[RV Pundit]

I bet he can outdo that and even find us one that justify nusu mkate temporary incumbecy - which seem to be NASA main thrust now that its obvious they have NO PATH to victory. Maraga refused to bite Aukuro Aukouth attempt to be included in the second bite.

I am sure there is some clause or ruling about temporary incumbency - for 60 days only - which Omollo will dig up soon

[Kichwa]

Robina. There are all kinds of legal opinions on this matter and all of them have been expressed on this board. This means there is no agreement and once again the court will decide. The Jubilee position is that Ouru will be sworn in as president. The NASA position is that based on the body of law, there cannot be an election without NASA's participation.  Jubilee is threatening to swear Ouru if NASA does not participate.  Its very easy to swear anybody president but does that make them president. The courts will decide. However, that is a bridge that we will have to cross when and if we get there. Right now I think we should focus on making the court suggested reforms and have an election on October 27, 2017 and whomever wins will be sworn in.

Ruto wing of Jubilee is obsessed with NUSU mkate.  You will notice that NASA or Raila has not talked about NUSU mkate. Infact they have said that their goal is to have the whole boflo. RV Pundit has a very thin skin and usually deteriorates very quickly into politics of childishness mockery like his god WSR whenener WSR is vulnerable politically.

A hole - what will happen if NASA boycotts the polls - say if IEBC rejects reforms - and a judge throws a spanner in their system? Uhuru is not boycotting the elections so I see no hole for him.

Robina, let me remind you that we are a constitutional democracy. It is therefore not for "NASA should allow". The legitimacy of a president should be determined by the constitution as interpreted by the court. Let the court decide. Do not worry about NASA making a mistake or not. Why ain't you saying that Jubilee should not make the mistake of not following the the spirit and the letter of the law. 

[Nefertiti]

Noone's threatening to swear-in their guy because the CJ is the only oather. Jubilee claims continued incumbency. NASA is holding address now - citizen online streaming - Speaker Muturi will be the automatic caretaker president on 1st Nov according to them.

Robina. There are all kinds of legal opinions on this matter and all of them have been expressed on this board. This means there is no agreement and once again the court will decide. The Jubilee position is that Ouru will be sworn in as president. The NASA position is that based on the body of law, there cannot be an election without NASA's participation.  Jubilee is threatening to swear Ouru if NASA does not participate.  Its very easy to swear anybody president but does that make them president. The courts will decide. However, that is a bridge that we will have to cross when and if we get there. Right now I think we should focus on making the court suggested reforms and have an election on October 27, 2017 and whomever wins will be sworn in.

Ruto wing of Jubilee is obsessed with NUSU mkate.  You will notice that NASA or Raila has not talked about NUSU mkate. Infact they have said that their goal is to have the whole boflo. RV Pundit has a very thin skin and usually deteriorates very quickly into politics of childishness mockery like his god WSR whenener WSR is vulnerable politically.