Tues 9th August 2022, Election Day
What do we know about the Petitioner? I submit that it is a well known mombasa based Nipatean.
The judges should lay this whole thing bare and reveal the attempts to corrupt them by Jubilee operatives. This petition might actually be a good thing, and like others have said, it will allow for the interrogation of the allegation and full defence by the judges.
KTN are reporting that Smokin has one coming his way too later today.It is safe to say that Njok's will be safe.
Quote from: bryan275 on September 19, 2017, 01:34:21 PMKTN are reporting that Smokin has one coming his way too later today.It is safe to say that Njok's will be safe. What about the Omogusii? Notice this time they made sure its a shadowy character, not the Mps.
Quote from: vooke on September 19, 2017, 12:32:10 PMA question for you.Supposing contact and communication is established beyond doubt as alleged and on the alleged dates but you don't know the contents. Would you deem it inappropriate?I'd have to look at the Kenyan code to see precisely, but from what I generally know about these things, it causes me to raise an eyebrow due to the timing. In general though, they should be forbidden from talking about the case before them. But if they can show they were talking about a different issue, I don't see this ALONE leading to those serious consequences you mention. Especially if it is also shown they did the same with the other side too. It might make sense in the context or be minor. For now, wacha tuone eftense of these communications. Then we can probe what they were about and the larger context.
A question for you.Supposing contact and communication is established beyond doubt as alleged and on the alleged dates but you don't know the contents. Would you deem it inappropriate?
The full judgment must be very bad for them to be this desperate. Let them open the can of worms. I do not think there will be any elections sometimes soon.
Quote from: Kichwa-mmeza mate on September 19, 2017, 01:27:01 PMThe full judgment must be very bad for them to be this desperate. Let them open the can of worms. I do not think there will be any elections sometimes soon. Can the judges "enhance" their ruling with the full judgement? i.e could we find ourselves in a situation where the 3rd Respondent is actually found culpable?
Still waiting for those named to deny these allegations.
This is a formal proceeding alleging many illegalities. You can bet they are all at their lawyers and will be responding with much more care than a tweet or two.
You know, vooke, I've gone through Lenaola's bit. The language used is very ambiguous. "communications and interactions outside the SCOK": This could as well be bumping into someone and chatting casually about the weather, schools etc. But you can think they had a meeting etc The others that involve texts, phone calls are said to be "prior"...what is prior? Are judges supposed to disclose that they've had interactions with most people in that court room on prior occasions? Hmmm.....let me look at philomena's. A clever smearer could frame things in the most damaging way that end up being very ordinary, innocent interactions.Edit: I had missed the bit about Eukot and the apartments. The latter indicates there are videos/witnesses. Eukot's and all the above communications are most likely innocent. I say this because only in the apartments scenario do they specifically allege they discussed the petition.Quote from: vooke on September 19, 2017, 07:17:35 AM
Quote from: Kadame7 on September 19, 2017, 02:20:25 PMYou know, vooke, I've gone through Lenaola's bit. The language used is very ambiguous. "communications and interactions outside the SCOK": This could as well be bumping into someone and chatting casually about the weather, schools etc. But you can think they had a meeting etc The others that involve texts, phone calls are said to be "prior"...what is prior? Are judges supposed to disclose that they've had interactions with most people in that court room on prior occasions? Hmmm.....let me look at philomena's. A clever smearer could frame things in the most damaging way that end up being very ordinary, innocent interactions.Edit: I had missed the bit about Eukot and the apartments. The latter indicates there are videos/witnesses. Eukot's and all the above communications are most likely innocent. I say this because only in the apartments scenario do they specifically allege they discussed the petition.Quote from: vooke on September 19, 2017, 07:17:35 AMOk. Circumstantial,inocent...much ado about nuthin
Seriously, you are being sarcastic but it really could be so: Was just looking at how they framed things. The apartment meetings with Kina weta seem the MOST damaging for Lenaola, second is the Eukot texts. The rest are framed in a way that makes me think they could be ordinary: communications outside the SCOK, I mean that could be a chat while heading out/in....tutaona eftense soon and then we will see. But this is my very strong hunch re Lenaola's petition (assuming its not all a complete fabrication).
How do you even respond to that crap. That is not even a petition because it makes unsubstantiated legal conclusions without the facts. For example, if you want to accuse a judge of "improper contact", you have to be very detailed in what was said or exchanged that supports the conclusion that it was "improper contact". If a judge meets an attorney in the corridor and exchanges pleasantries, and talk about the weather, or a football game, or the family or the wedding or death of a mutual friend or family member, is that "improper contact" ? The problem with with Jubilee is that their propaganda wing is ran by idiots. This petition does not meet the standards that would trigger a serious response and should be treated with the contempt they deserve. If the complainants are lawyers, they should be reported to the Bar Association for disciplinary actions.
Ohoo please save it. Communicating with parties involved in a case while the case is going on - outside the court? What kind of nonsense are you selling us? Isn't it why they are using proxies - coz improper contact. Isn't why Orengo is using her sister and Wetangula her brother - and they are meeting in hospital? Quote from: Kadame7 on September 19, 2017, 03:09:36 PMSeriously, you are being sarcastic but it really could be so: Was just looking at how they framed things. The apartment meetings with Kina weta seem the MOST damaging for Lenaola, second is the Eukot texts. The rest are framed in a way that makes me think they could be ordinary: communications outside the SCOK, I mean that could be a chat while heading out/in....tutaona eftense soon and then we will see. But this is my very strong hunch re Lenaola's petition (assuming its not all a complete fabrication).