Jubilee should not bite NASA bait for talks

[RV Pundit]

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NASA storm out after Jubilee fails to show up in IEBC. There is really no need for any talks. IEBC have the constitutional mandate to conducts election. It doesn't need any political help.

[vooke]

No nusa  mkate,no 'caretaker government', let them boycott the elections and Uhunye will sleepwalk to power

[RV Pundit]

They have no realistic path to victory; they know it; they've been trying to put figures into excel  but in vain- and they are yet to find ONE CREDIBLE SINGLE excel sheet that makes them win the presidential election  - despite spending a lot in tallying center. It obvious they are in this for NUSU-MKATE.

Jubilee should stay clear - right now the only risk is some Odunga Judge putting brakes in IEBC work - otherwise let us have the election - Uhuru already won in 8.8 and so if they don't participate - Uhuru has parliament and legitimacy.

No nusa  mkate,no 'caretaker government', let them boycott the elections and Uhunye will sleepwalk to power

[KenyanPlato]

Nasa has no numbers. we know it and the principals know it. the only idiots who think Nasa can win are millennials but anyone who has been in this game for a while know that Raila is just wasting time. The defeat this time will be resounding.

[Kichwa]

The court found irregularities and illegalities. How can we then go to another elections with the same electoral body without any serious changes consistent with the courts funding. I think NASA should start to think seriously about not participating in this elections if IEBC has completely been  taken over by Jubilee (most likely sawn torture videos). Uhuru and Ruto are the heads of a criminal cartel not heads of a government and NASA needs to treat them as such. Serious talks about secession should now begin. There is no need pretending anymore to belong to one nation with these thugs. 

[Omollo]

Vooke, Pundit and sidekick all agree.

In the supreme court, 1st and 3rd Respondent created then replied to their own case leaving the one placed before them unchallenged!

Nusu mkate talks cannot be held before the IEBC. NASA achieved its objective of turning up for the meeting knowing Uhuru would not turn up. I will explain after elections.

[RV Pundit]

The court ordered the same IEBC to conduct election. If they thought IEBC mistakes were so grave - then wouldn't have given them 60 days to conduct election. It means IEBC can rectify mistakes - for example you don't need new commission or any changes - to enforce that all forms 34s should have serial numbers, water-mark and signature - that is just enforcing due diligence. If the server was not secure - they just need to secure it.

In short as we wait for detailed judgement where SCOK will address itself to process gaps/mistakes - IEBC should continue with preparation.

IEBC will conduct this election barring any court order that overturn SCOK order.

The court found irregularities and illegalities. How can we then go to another elections with the same electoral body without any serious changes consistent with the courts funding. I think NASA should start to think seriously about not participating in this elections if IEBC has completely been  taken over by Jubilee (most likely sawn torture videos). Uhuru and Ruto are the heads of a criminal cartel not heads of a government and NASA needs to treat them as such. Serious talks about secession should now begin. There is no need pretending anymore to belong to one nation with these thugs. 

[vooke]

The court ordered the same IEBC to conduct election. If they thought IEBC mistakes were so grave - then wouldn't have given them 60 days to conduct election. It means IEBC can rectify mistakes - for example you don't need new commission or any changes - to enforce that all forms 34s should have serial numbers, water-mark and signature - that is just enforcing due diligence. If the server was not secure - they just need to secure it.

In short as we wait for detailed judgement where SCOK will address itself to process gaps/mistakes - IEBC should continue with preparation.

IEBC will conduct this election barring any court order that overturn SCOK order.

The court found irregularities and illegalities. How can we then go to another elections with the same electoral body without any serious changes consistent with the courts funding. I think NASA should start to think seriously about not participating in this elections if IEBC has completely been  taken over by Jubilee (most likely sawn torture videos). Uhuru and Ruto are the heads of a criminal cartel not heads of a government and NASA needs to treat them as such. Serious talks about secession should now begin. There is no need pretending anymore to belong to one nation with these thugs. 

And I think even with a court order, IEBC can protest that it's unenforceable....appeal against it or something.

While I appreciate NASWA's whining, what prevents Jubilee from making totally unreasonable demands as well? They may for instance reject any team Chebukati lines up as NASWA moles. I think we need to move from people to processes however uncomfortable that makes us.

Wasn't it Weta who quoted some American judge who said you can't drive in anticipation of an accident?

[Omollo]

IEBC is NOT Chebukati and or Chiloba. Irregularities and illegalities are not part of the IEBC mandate. They are committed by persons working for or under the IEBC.

The court ordered the same IEBC to conduct election. If they thought IEBC mistakes were so grave - then wouldn't have given them 60 days to conduct election. It means IEBC can rectify mistakes - for example you don't need new commission or any changes - to enforce that all forms 34s should have serial numbers, water-mark and signature - that is just enforcing due diligence. If the server was not secure - they just need to secure it.

In short as we wait for detailed judgement where SCOK will address itself to process gaps/mistakes - IEBC should continue with preparation.

IEBC will conduct this election barring any court order that overturn SCOK order.

The court found irregularities and illegalities. How can we then go to another elections with the same electoral body without any serious changes consistent with the courts funding. I think NASA should start to think seriously about not participating in this elections if IEBC has completely been  taken over by Jubilee (most likely sawn torture videos). Uhuru and Ruto are the heads of a criminal cartel not heads of a government and NASA needs to treat them as such. Serious talks about secession should now begin. There is no need pretending anymore to belong to one nation with these thugs. 

[Kichwa]

In that case maybe the country is not ready for an election and there is no need to pretend to have one. What Ouru described yesterday is not a democracy. He described a dictatorship by a group of thugs who have no respect for the rule of law. It's either their way or the highway. There is really no reason for NASA to participate in this elections unless the very reasonable demands they have made to reform IEBC before the elections are met. Ouru says he is going to be president regardless of the outcome of this elections including even if Raila wins. Let Ouru be a dictator as he has  always wished and let us not pretend that we live in a democracy. He stole the presidency, and has created Kenya in the image of his father and he want to hand it over to another Moi. Let us not be part of it.

[Omollo]

What is the relevance of this?

Wasn't it Weta who quoted some American judge who said you can't drive in anticipation of an accident?

[vooke]

In that case maybe the country is not ready for an election and there is no need to pretend to have one. What Ouru described yesterday is not a democracy. He described a dictatorship by a group of thugs who have no respect for the rule of law. It's either their way or the highway. There is really no reason for NASA to participate in this elections unless the very reasonable demands they have made to reform IEBC before the elections are met. Ouru says he is going to be president regardless of the outcome of this elections including even if Raila wins. Let Ouru be a dictator as he has  always wished and let us not pretend that we live in a democracy. He stole the presidency, and has created Kenya in the image of his father and he want to hand it over to another Moi. Let us not be part of it.

I don't understand why Uhuru's talk of constitutional amendment is dictatorial whereas Babu openly entertains going back to parliamentary system. Uhuru simply pointed out to the futility of Babu's presidency with a severe minority in parliament. You can substitute Babu with anybody else and the result would be the same.

Jubilee has the numbers and they must flaunt them, they was hard won. Had it been NASWA,they'd have flaunted them too.

Whether NASWA's demands ('irreducible minimum' as they call them) are reasonable or not is subjective.

[Omollo]

The last time I checked, Jubilee had "won" parliamentary seats without a single MCA in various places. Mutua is a Governor with a Wiper majority. So please stop this LIE about Uhuru having "won".

NASA has the numbers and will win.

If Uhuru had the numbers he would be on the forefront of leveling the field and not maintaining tainted IEBC officials who are guaranteed to rig elections. The summer amendment to the law allowed the "Manual" option which caused all the problems. Guess who was behind the amendment?

Uhuru can only steal the election. You said it yourself before you were offered a seat in the warmth after Jordan intervened for you. Usitufunge kilemba.

They have no realistic path to victory; they know it; they've been trying to put figures into excel  but in vain- and they are yet to find ONE CREDIBLE SINGLE excel sheet that makes them win the presidential election  - despite spending a lot in tallying center. It obvious they are in this for NUSU-MKATE.

Jubilee should stay clear - right now the only risk is some Odunga Judge putting brakes in IEBC work - otherwise let us have the election - Uhuru already won in 8.8 and so if they don't participate - Uhuru has parliament and legitimacy.

No nusa  mkate,no 'caretaker government', let them boycott the elections and Uhunye will sleepwalk to power

[Omollo]

Perhaps if you examined the details of the amendments as well as considered the reasons behind the amendments you could understand.

One seeks to end dictatorship and another seeks to enhance.

If you need ufafanuzi then state Raila's and Uhuru's proposed amendments, rather than just speak about them generally

I don't understand why Uhuru's talk of constitutional amendment is dictatorial whereas Babu openly entertains going back to parliamentary system.

Jubilee has the numbers and they must flaunt them, they was hard won. Had it been NASWA,they'd have flaunted them too.

Whether NASWA's demands ('irreducible minimum' as they call them) are reasonable or not is subjective.

[RV Pundit]

You know the procedure of removing Chebukati. You can start it. You also know that barring any evidence from DPP -  there is nothing criminal about what IEBC staffer have done. IEBC can take internal administrative action - that may including giving warning letters or firing some of them - but nobody can tell them who to fire or not - you can tender you evidence and if commmissioners are convinced they can institute administrative actions.

But ultimately ONLY IEBC can conduct election. IEBC with Chebukati and his commissioners who ENJOY SECURITY OF TENURE will oversee the repeat election in about 30 days. I don't think there is anything more to talk about.

IEBC is NOT Chebukati and or Chiloba. Irregularities and illegalities are not part of the IEBC mandate. They are committed by persons working for or under the IEBC.

[RV Pundit]

Here goes the sky is pink.

The last time I checked, Jubilee had "won" parliamentary seats without a single MCA in various places. Mutua is a Governor with a Wiper majority. So please stop this LIE about Uhuru having "won".

NASA has the numbers and will win.

If Uhuru had the numbers he would be on the forefront of leveling the field and not maintaining tainted IEBC officials who are guaranteed to rig elections. The summer amendment to the law allowed the "Manual" option which caused all the problems. Guess who was behind the amendment?

Uhuru can only steal the election. You said it yourself before you were offered a seat in the warmth after Jordan intervened for you. Usitufunge kilemba.

[vooke]

Perhaps if you examined the details of the amendments as well as considered the reasons behind the amendments you could understand.

One seeks to end dictatorship and another seeks to enhance.

If you need ufafanuzi then state Raila's and Uhuru's proposed amendments, rather than just speak about them generally

I don't understand why Uhuru's talk of constitutional amendment is dictatorial whereas Babu openly entertains going back to parliamentary system.

Jubilee has the numbers and they must flaunt them, they was hard won. Had it been NASWA,they'd have flaunted them too.

Whether NASWA's demands ('irreducible minimum' as they call them) are reasonable or not is subjective.

You are probably right, though I think Uhuru was just pointing to futility of Babu's victory with such a minuscule minority in parliament.

I have always been against a parliamentary tyranny of numbers. You just can't trust a Negro with all that discretion. That's something I can't and won't cheer. But it is a fact that the 277 petitions can't overturn


Whether parliamentary system enhances democracy is theoretical. It is undemocratic in the sense that Kenyans voted against it in 2005 and 2010.

[Omollo]

You are the one trying to convince us that the sky is entirely made of Uhuru Kenyatta's face. Where do you get the figures that prove the Uhuru "win"?

When an election is declared NULL and VOID it means nothing from it can be of any use. Here is the meaning (pay heed to the highlighted word because you will be hearing them a lot):

Here goes the sky is pink.

[RV Pundit]

Look like Jubilee team made it eventually. Meanwhile Raila is declaring there will be no vote on 17th like he is Kenyan GOD.

[Omollo]

Where is Uhuru?

Ruto is playing silly games. Let him enjoy power for a few days more. The URP wing of JP

Look like Jubilee team made it eventually. Meanwhile Raila is declaring there will be no vote on 17th like he is Kenyan GOD.