IEBC's Secretariat Vs Commisioners

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I struggle to appreciate how these two are supposed to work together PRACTICALLY. They remind me of IPOA Vs NPS dogfights.

Is this the ideal managerial structure?

[Kichwa]

I am glad they are fighting.  This is the only way the truth will come out. One of this days someone is going to get so pissed off in Kenya that they will spill the beans.  The reason why we do not have prosecution of highly corrupt individuals is because nobody is whistle blowing.

[vooke]

I am glad they are fighting.  This is the only way the truth will come out. One of this days someone is going to get so pissed off in Kenya that they will spill the beans.  The reason why we do not have prosecution of highly corrupt individuals is because nobody is whistle blowing.

True.
Part of the reason why you can dismiss most conspiracy theories is the number of players involved. It's hard for one too many members with diverse motives and ideologies to come together and like say hide cancer cure to benefit 'big pharma's.

But if this was not originally intended, the commission may perform subpar even while 'spilling the brand's. So hat happ NS when there are no beans to spill?

[vooke]

Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?

They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.

[Nefertiti]

Can't Chebukati just fire the secretariat? What does the Act say?

[Kadame7]

Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?

They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.

Like I said, the SCOK ought to give Chebukati the detailed judgment he asked for sooner so he can use it to straight up fire folk without looking like he is scapegoating anyone just to save his own behind. As in "We were all blamed and you, the chair, in particular, yet you're gonna pick on us while you comfortably stay on?" Otherwise, if the same mess happens again, it will not be fair to blame him in my opinion. If Kenyans voted for Uhuru, it is their right to have him, however horrible I feel that choice is. It must be clear that that is what they have chosen, though, and Chebukati must be given all the help he needs to show that easily and clearly.

[Nefertiti]

Akombe says some employees/officials refused to resign so they had to appoint others to manage the re-run.


http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-IEBC-chiefs-refused-to-resign-Roselyn-Akombe/1056-4085268-s6j44f/index.html

If the CEO is not managing the rerun, what's he doing in office?

Who between commission and secretariat is responsible for the elections success/failure?

They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.

It's good to look at it from the staffs' eyes. Assume they are innocent (i.e. did not receive bribes or deliberately bungle the polls) - their careers are literally ruined! Severance pay might help. What I don't get is why they can't be fired and proceed to Industrial Court.

[vooke]

If Alai is to be believed, and Citizen reported it, some Commisioners were opposed to Chebukati's move
https://www.kahawatungu.com/2017/09/07/commissioners-walk-out-chebukati-meeting/


Citizen mentioned something

[vooke]

They are expecting hefty golden parachutes.  You hang on until they pay you just to disappear your hideous ass.  In Kenya, when you screw things up real bad, you get a fat wallet.  Hassan and crew got rich before quitting in the face of chickengate.

That's plausible but my point is, if it's impossible to apportion blame between secretariat and commission, then the management structure is bullshiet

[Kadame7]

If Alai is to be believed, and Citizen reported it, some Commisioners were opposed to Chebukati's move
https://www.kahawatungu.com/2017/09/07/commissioners-walk-out-chebukati-meeting/


Citizen mentioned something

This is why the judgment would be helpful. It would sideline Jubilee/NASA games....

[Omollo]

[RV Pundit]

This chebukati guy is on fire. I like it. Let's not have any cock up and screw up.

[Kadame7]

It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  ) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.

[RV Pundit]

It probably makes sense considering the time limit for holding presidential re-run. I don't think constitution envisage fresh fresh election with nomination.

It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  ) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  ) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.

The ruling you are anxious to see may rubbish this interpretation.  Mutungaroo court seems to have done more damage than just giving two paragraphs dismissing the petition.

[Kadame7]

It probably makes sense considering the time limit for holding presidential re-run. I don't think constitution envisage fresh fresh election with nomination.

It's not a big deal but someone should seek clarification on the proper interpretation of fresh elections. The last supreme court was either full of daft people or they were directed by Githu (through a nightly house visit  ) to give that ridiculous interpretation probably because it was what Jubilee wanted at that time.

Forget these elections and imagine one that runs like the recent French elections with no. 1 to 4 all very close with only a difference of a few percentage points. Then there's massive problems and you have to redo it. How could it be fair to exclude no. 3 and 4 in the invalidated elections? Things like these must be properly interpreted and not allowed to become some sort of settled law simply based on current affairs.

[RV Pundit]

It makes sense to have everyone who ran previously to ran again. But then again in limited re-run of 60 days - maybe those who conceded and move on - need not bother us. But I agree commonsensical thing to do is to allow everyone who had participated to participate again...but not fresh nomination.

Forget these elections and imagine one that runs like the recent French elections with no. 1 to 4 all very close with only a difference of a few percentage points. Then there's massive problems and you have to redo it. How could it be fair to exclude no. 3 and 4 in the invalidated elections? Things like these must be properly interpreted and not allowed to become some sort of settled law simply based on current affairs.

[vooke]

Gen 2:11-13 (KJV)
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat

Blame game all over.

SCOK~~>IEBC~~>Chairman~~>Chilobye~~>Junior nobodies

[Omollo]

Commissioners disown their Chairman and support Chiloba. This IEBC imekwisha

The alleged memo from the Commission: here are the facts pic.twitter.com/lyEl99cylr

— IEBC (@IEBCKenya) September 7, 2017