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International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« on: September 02, 2017, 01:00:23 PM »
European Union employs a bit of subterfuge such as "Some shortcomings were noted". Not a word on Accept and move!:
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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2017, 01:02:30 PM »
The Carter Center. Not a word about the tendentious statement by Aminata Toure or the hefty bribe she received from Jubilee:
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Re: International Election Observers & Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2017, 01:12:57 PM »
The International Media:
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2017, 02:25:20 PM »
That is the issue with not being objective. The expediency at the time was peace - so encouraging riots by calling out anomalies was not allowed. I questioned quite earlier on the capacity of the observers to really observe the process a-to-Z. They do not have it. So they did their mandate - observe 50% and sanitize the results. As you can now see these are press releases and not press conferences :)

I on the other hand will continue to ask tough questions - NASA did not show me any evidence of rigging; they showed me evidence of IEBC's fumbling. Two different things. I wish them well.
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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2017, 02:30:35 PM »
Robina please define "rigging"
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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2017, 02:40:15 PM »
Cheating - falsifying results by ballot stuffing, etc. Please note my interest in NASA not Maraga. They managed to expose their ineptitude while pointing at the IEBC. How did govt "ban" mobile phones and photographing forms? -are they the IEBC? Now you are talking about body cameras for ROs and POs :o All I see is a fresh and bloodier round of hammering.

Robina please define "rigging"
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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2017, 02:46:51 PM »
Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.

That is the issue with not being objective. The expediency at the time was peace - so encouraging riots by calling out anomalies was not allowed. I questioned quite earlier on the capacity of the observers to really observe the process a-to-Z. They do not have it. So they did their mandate - observe 50% and sanitize the results. As you can now see these are press releases and not press conferences :)

I on the other hand will continue to ask tough questions - NASA did not show me any evidence of rigging; they showed me evidence of IEBC's fumbling. Two different things. I wish them well.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2017, 02:52:41 PM »
Perhpas Parkerpen & Omollo can relate

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2017, 02:57:38 PM »
Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2017, 02:58:19 PM »
Lets not forget that the process itself - voting - was free and fair. Nobody was intimidated not to vote etc. Its what happened after that.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2017, 03:01:09 PM »
Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.

Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2017, 03:04:06 PM »
Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
I've heard repeatedly of 100% turnout in some polling stations and all those ones voting 100% for one candidate, as part of the court ordered scrutiny of the forms. Would that not show you deliberate interference and not mere fumbling? I am making time to read the reports but everything Ive seen of whats said of them indicates interference, not just fumbling.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2017, 03:07:22 PM »
By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.
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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2017, 03:09:00 PM »
By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.
There were agent forms submitted to the court as well.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2017, 03:14:10 PM »
I have been asking that too. Each agent was supposed to get a copy or a figure of the numbers at each station before transmission. Why didn't NASA make those numbers public and ask IEBC to do the same? Public will compare and make a decision.


By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2017, 03:14:53 PM »
My question is answered.


By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.
There were agent forms submitted to the court as well.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2017, 03:18:01 PM »
Iebc gave out six copies to agents.not single genuine one has been presented.No rigging happened.Just iebc fumbling.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2017, 04:11:30 PM »
Cheating - falsifying results by ballot stuffing, etc. Please note my interest in NASA not Maraga. They managed to expose their ineptitude while pointing at the IEBC. How did govt "ban" mobile phones and photographing forms? -are they the IEBC? Now you are talking about body cameras for ROs and POs :o All I see is a fresh and bloodier round of hammering.

Robina please define "rigging"

They have plenty of evidence of that but tried that strategy with the supreme court last time and failed.

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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2017, 04:14:13 PM »
They normally observe the lines, camaraderie and peace on voting day.  The most eventful thing they saw was githeriman.
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Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2017, 04:16:12 PM »
Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
I've heard repeatedly of 100% turnout in some polling stations and all those ones voting 100% for one candidate, as part of the court ordered scrutiny of the forms. Would that not show you deliberate interference and not mere fumbling? I am making time to read the reports but everything Ive seen of whats said of them indicates interference, not just fumbling.

Kadame please share the names of the polling stations with 100%+ turnout.
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