Uhuru Says Portal Showed Statistics NOT Results

[Omollo]

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All are running away from Pundit's "results". They are unable to explain them and see what a whole president writes:

[vooke]

Heard Uhuru files 8 replying affidavits, which we can see them. But I'm more interested in IEBC's

[Kadame7]

Hehehe...to be fair, it is 100% certain he did not draft that himself. Merely signed it.

Intriguing, that line of argument: makes me want to make the time to read all those petition documents.

[Omollo]

Its a gift to NASA. I hope they use it to their advantage. Ahmednasir is good at arguing case citing authorities and making judges look small. But he cannot device a strategy to respond to matters. They had a firm - him, Isaack Hassan and Abdikadir. Issack hassan would arrange for the bribes, Abdikadir would deliver and Mullah would go to court and make sure the recipient of the bribe knew he had the tape.

Hehehe...to be fair, it is 100% certain he did not draft that himself. Merely signed it.

Intriguing, that line of argument: makes me want to make the time to read all those petition documents.

[Omollo]

IEBC immediately "corrected" the error and produced another form. Remember the results announced at the constituency are "final" as says Uhuru!

The IEBC website is the gift that keeps on giving pic.twitter.com/Q4cqxRg6Ll

— Larry Madowo (@LarryMadowo) August 15, 2017

[Kadame7]

Its a gift to NASA. I hope they use it to their advantage. Ahmednasir is good at arguing case citing authorities and making judges look small. But he cannot device a strategy to respond to matters. They had a firm - him, Isaack Hassan and Abdikadir. Issack hassan would arrange for the bribes, Abdikadir would deliver and Mullah would go to court and make sure the recipient of the bribe knew he had the tape.

Hehehe...to be fair, it is 100% certain he did not draft that himself. Merely signed it.

Intriguing, that line of argument: makes me want to make the time to read all those petition documents.

Use it to their advantage? Please don't raise your hopes. The SCOK will not change anything. I see the petition as NASA's chance to explain to its own base that the results were not clean. But I would not advise any humans whose well-being I mildly cared for to waste their hopes on this petition. If lawyers and others are getting harassed why would anyone expect an individual human being in the form of a judge to risk it? I know I wouldn't. At most I'd recuse myself. In fact I told my very hopeful mom to completely forget it. I will say the same to anyone on these boards who wanted Jubilee out. I don't know what way there is going forward but this petition is not gonna be it.

[RV Pundit]

Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.

[RV Pundit]

You need to read section 38 of election act again and again; even if results are declared in an exercise book; as long as they were valid; hakuna maneno hapo.

IEBC immediately "corrected" the error and produced another form. Remember the results announced at the constituency are "final" as says Uhuru!

The IEBC website is the gift that keeps on giving pic.twitter.com/Q4cqxRg6Ll

— Larry Madowo (@LarryMadowo) August 15, 2017

[vooke]

Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.

That's what Mutula Kilonzo is saying.

The joint select Commitee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.

— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017

And that's what IEBC said well before the elections.

Press Statement - Update on Elections Preparedness - 4th August 2017
Read yesterday at Bomas of Kenya. #WeweNdioKusema #ElectionsKE2017 pic.twitter.com/SWC6sRV747

— IEBC (@IEBCKenya) August 5, 2017

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I think pursuing the portal angle is an act of desperation.

[RV Pundit]

Yeap everyone knew it. When folks lose an election and their mind in the process who do you blame?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.

Form 34A underpins the final result.  There is no legal definition or justification for this thing you call provisional results.  The portal's main role was to share Forms 34A with the public.  Without including that information IEBC were not supposed to transmit anything.

[RV Pundit]

And how is that a problem? How is having a extra-layer of control a problem?  Form 34As were uploaded to public portal. And IEBC went further and asked their staff to send statistics via KEMS systems - which would work with 2G network  - which further enhance transparency and accountability.

Form 34A underpins the final result.  There is no legal definition or justification for this thing you call provisional results.  The portal's main role was to share Forms 34A with the public.  Without including that information IEBC were not supposed to transmit anything.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

And how is that a problem? How is having a extra-layer of control a problem?  Form 34As were uploaded to public portal. And IEBC went further and asked their staff to send statistics via KEMS systems - which would work with 2G network  - which further enhance transparency and accountability.

Form 34A underpins the final result.  There is no legal definition or justification for this thing you call provisional results.  The portal's main role was to share Forms 34A with the public.  Without including that information IEBC were not supposed to transmit anything.

The so called extra layer was the only layer for hours.  There were no forms.  And when they eventually materialized, they were on a different web page, in a format that was useless for verification purposes.

The IEBC was transmitting data and results that were not verifiable.  The legal expectation is that the result be verifiable on the spot.  Not at some later time and date.  That standard was not met.

[Omollo]

vooke

Taking someone's words out of context and using them to support what he was in effect opposing is worse than forgery. Now read your favorite tweet after reading this one:

We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse.

— Mutula KilonzoJR CBS (@GvnMutula) August 9, 2017

what he means therefore:
The joint select Committee was aware that figures were subject to alterations & or amendments. [to prevent that mischief from happening again] We deliberately enacted law to ensure IEBC transmitted & published forms of results for all elections to avoid the current impasse. This impasse in wholly unnecessary.[/b]

I hope this wean you of the habit of posting and reposting something that in effect opposes what you are trying to state.

[Omollo]

If you need some extra tuition I would be glad to help. Your skull has proved impervious to the absorption of a simple fact that PROVISIONAL RESULTS were abolished! I have asked you to produce any legal basis for this but you have not. That has not stopped you from singing the gospel of provisional results. Why?

Because you continue to refuse to READ the verdict of the Court of Appeal! But that notwithstanding you continue to pretend to be an expert on elections - with all this ignorance and stupidity!

Only NASA are having a problem with commonsensical explanation and expectation. The key-in data was always provisional. The final results were those declare at polling station as form 34A. That is what Maina Kia got in Court of Appeal.

[Omollo]

What part of "section 38" should I read and how does it relate to this.

You need to read section 38 of election act again and again; even if results are declared in an exercise book; as long as they were valid; hakuna maneno hapo.

[RV Pundit]

Both systems are still up. I don't know what you mean only for hours. And by format - what did you want? They were scanned images! You wanted IEBC to OCR for you? Isn't why they added the key-in data.

Eti verifiable on spot that a new legal standard. Verifiable mean whatever method you use (KIEMS, manual ballot in the boxes, key-in data, scanned forms, real paper forms) you'll arrive at the same conclusion that Uhuru beat Raila by 1.5M votes. A true dog beating.

The so called extra layer was the only layer for hours.  There were no forms.  And when they eventually materialized, they were on a different web page, in a format that was useless for verification purposes.

The IEBC was transmitting data and results that were not verifiable.  The legal expectation is that the result be verifiable on the spot.  Not at some later time and date.  That standard was not met.

[Omollo]

There was a total of ONE form 34Bs uploaded by the time Uhuru was being declared winner.

And how is that a problem? How is having a extra-layer of control a problem?  Form 34As were uploaded to public portal. And IEBC went further and asked their staff to send statistics via KEMS systems - which would work with 2G network  - which further enhance transparency and accountability.

Form 34A underpins the final result.  There is no legal definition or justification for this thing you call provisional results.  The portal's main role was to share Forms 34A with the public.  Without including that information IEBC were not supposed to transmit anything.

[Omollo]

Pundit

are you writing about what you know or what you want us to believe?

The issues you are trying ti fudge are well known, established and largely settled. There are a million facts, events, etc supporting the contrary of what you are saying so even the IEBC could not manage to deny.

You are just making a bigger fool of yourself. Let Termie waste his time on proving what even a monkey like Itumbi would not waste time contesting. They have moved on and are using other creative ways of explaining the things you are trying to sanitize.

Both systems are still up. I don't know what you mean only for hours. And by format - what did you want? They were scanned images! You wanted IEBC to OCR for you? Isn't why they added the key-in data.

Eti verifiable on spot that a new legal standard. Verifiable mean whatever method you use (KIEMS, manual ballot in the boxes, key-in data, scanned forms, real paper forms) you'll arrive at the same conclusion that Uhuru beat Raila by 1.5M votes. A true dog beating.

The so called extra layer was the only layer for hours.  There were no forms.  And when they eventually materialized, they were on a different web page, in a format that was useless for verification purposes.

The IEBC was transmitting data and results that were not verifiable.  The legal expectation is that the result be verifiable on the spot.  Not at some later time and date.  That standard was not met.

[Omollo]