AI ‘vastly more risky than North Korea’

[Nefertiti]

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If you're not concerned about AI safety, you should be. Vastly more risk than North Korea. pic.twitter.com/2z0tiid0lc

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 12, 2017

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This is not the first time Musk has stated that AI could potentially be one of the most dangerous international developments. He said in October 2014 that he considered it humanity’s “biggest existential threat”, a view he has repeated several times while making investments in AI startups and organisations, including OpenAI, to “keep an eye on what’s going on”.

Musk again called for regulation, previously doing so directly to US governors at their annual national meeting in Providence, Rhode Island.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/14/elon-musk-ai-vastly-more-risky-north-korea

[veritas]

Robina, was this necessary?

i bet you think he's cute.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Far fetched.  What exactly is there to fear from AI?  AI boils down to just massive number crunching.  Nothing more.  How is that dangerous?

[Nefertiti]

Robina, was this necessary?

i bet you think he's cute.

Yes veri of course he is very cute. I love robots - am mocking Elon - i don;t think robots are risky. Can't get how he's a robophobe.

[Nefertiti]

Far fetched.  What exactly is there to fear from AI?  AI boils down to just massive number crunching.  Nothing more.  How is that dangerous?

I think he's phobic / irrational - did you see the spat with Zuckerberg? Could be his rough childhood. Robots are just codes & bots in human shape. The desktop in your soho is just slightly dumber and formless.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Far fetched.  What exactly is there to fear from AI?  AI boils down to just massive number crunching.  Nothing more.  How is that dangerous?

I think he's phobic / irrational - did you see the spat with Zuckerberg? Could be his rough childhood. Robots are just codes & bots in human shape. The desktop in your soho is just slightly dumber and formless.

I haven't seen the spat.  Did Musk have a rough childhood?  I imagined he would have been privileged growing up in apartheid South Africa.

[Nefertiti]

Far fetched.  What exactly is there to fear from AI?  AI boils down to just massive number crunching.  Nothing more.  How is that dangerous?

I think he's phobic / irrational - did you see the spat with Zuckerberg? Could be his rough childhood. Robots are just codes & bots in human shape. The desktop in your soho is just slightly dumber and formless.

I haven't seen the spat.  Did Musk have a rough childhood?  I imagined he would have been privileged growing up in apartheid South Africa.

Privileged? Lol, anything but it. His old man had issues and he was the weird kid - got it rough at home and school. Enough to be hospitalized.

They differed on the AI apocalypse with Zuck. Elon uttered invectives.

[MOON Ki]

I haven't seen the spat.  Did Musk have a rough childhood?  I imagined he would have been privileged growing up in apartheid South Africa.

He claims to have had  rough life of it---that he got bullied at some fancy boarding school or something like that.     

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I haven't seen the spat.  Did Musk have a rough childhood?  I imagined he would have been privileged growing up in apartheid South Africa.

He claims to have had  rough life of it---that he got bullied at some fancy boarding school or something like that.     

That's what I was thinking.  It's not like he was clobbered or shot at a township school protesting the use of Afrikaans or something.

[Nefertiti]

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

[bryan275]

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Real life Tony Stark... lovable rogue...

[Empedocles]

It's quite easy to break down what Musk's warning us about: the technological singularity.

The reason the word "Singularity" was coined for AI is exactly the same reason we use it for Black Holes, where our mathematics breaks down and we have absolutely no idea and can't know what happens beyond the event horizon of a black hole.

With AI, the same thing is facing us. We have no idea nor can we even guess what happens after. We have zero reference points to call upon nor can we even begin to calculate what will/may happen.

Given: an AI is switched on and immediately starts improving itself exponentially. Hits an IQ of, say, 10'000 within a week of going "live" (i.e. what is called the Intelligence Explosion). How will we mere mortals even begin to understand what it's thinking? What are its morals (if it even has morals)? What are its aspirations? What values will it have? How will it perceive humanity? And so on.

In other words, we're rushing headlong into completely uncharted and unknowable territory. Let no one fool you. We have no idea of the capabilities that a "conscience" AI may entail. None whatsoever. A good starting point to try and understand what we'll be facing to read Nick Bostrom's "Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies" or watch one of his Ted Talks like this one: "What happens when our computers get smarter than we are?".

As Arthur C. Clarke once said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

In other words, we most probably have no frigging clue of what's going on.

Our last invention.

And for those who find the robot "hot", just wait a couple more years, if we don't become batteries for the AI. 

Dawn of the sexbots

[Nefertiti]

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Real life Tony Stark... lovable rogue...

Why are you mocking me?

[Nefertiti]

Empedocles, seriously? That is not what the singularity means. Of course phobics like you and Elon see ghosts everywhere. The rest of us see solutions to big problems still facing humanity - diseases, poverty, conflict, climate change, etc. How about fixing that with the "intelligence explosion"? The world economy needs to triple first and scientific knowledge quadripled so folks can stop dying of hunger and cancer. Why do you only see trouble? Why doom? Why no solutions?

Robots will fill the productivity gap - and provide enough resource - so people can work for fun not survival. And Elon himself has said it - robot companies will simply pay heavy tax bill for welfare. No "apocalypse" or such crap. That's phobia.

[bryan275]

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Who in tech doesn't like Elon?? Besides veri. How would someone not like him??

Real life Tony Stark... lovable rogue...

Why are you mocking me?

Hey hey ...would I do that?  I like Elon too, just not happy that he's working his way into beating the wonderful V8 ICE.

[bryan275]

Empedocles, seriously? That is not what the singularity means. Of course phobics like you and Elon see ghosts everywhere. The rest of us see solutions to big problems still facing humanity - diseases, poverty, conflict, climate change, etc. How about fixing that with the "intelligence explosion"? The world economy needs to triple first and scientific knowledge quadripled so folks can stop dying of hunger and cancer. Why do you only see trouble? Why doom? Why no solutions?

Robots will fill the productivity gap - and provide enough resource - so people can work for fun not survival. And Elon himself has said it - robot companies will simply pay heavy tax bill for welfare. No "apocalypse" or such crap. That's phobia.

The problem with Robots filling the productivity gap and replacing PAYE humans is a serious structural problem for the current economic model as it is.   

Add to that the fact that we need to work for a living, leading to the need for a basic universal income which in itself kills all capitalist philosophies as we know them.

And no, i am not anti development, however the speed of transition is worrying.

[Nefertiti]

Empedocles, seriously? That is not what the singularity means. Of course phobics like you and Elon see ghosts everywhere. The rest of us see solutions to big problems still facing humanity - diseases, poverty, conflict, climate change, etc. How about fixing that with the "intelligence explosion"? The world economy needs to triple first and scientific knowledge quadripled so folks can stop dying of hunger and cancer. Why do you only see trouble? Why doom? Why no solutions?

Robots will fill the productivity gap - and provide enough resource - so people can work for fun not survival. And Elon himself has said it - robot companies will simply pay heavy tax bill for welfare. No "apocalypse" or such crap. That's phobia.

The problem with Robots filling the productivity gap and replacing PAYE humans is a serious structural problem for the current economic model as it is.   

Add to that the fact that we need to work for a living, leading to the need for a basic universal income which in itself kills all capitalist philosophies as we know them.

And no, i am not anti development, however the speed of transition is worrying.

That is what phobia means - unfounded fear. It did not stop the abolition, the industrial revolution nor the digital revolution. Scuttling capitalism is a footnote compared to to the big opportunities. Economists agree we have a productivity gap in the world; and scientists will tell you we are eons from conventional research solving serious medical challenges. Robots and the singularity are a perfect fix for these.

[Kadame6]

Empedocles, seriously? That is not what the singularity means. Of course phobics like you and Elon see ghosts everywhere. The rest of us see solutions to big problems still facing humanity - diseases, poverty, conflict, climate change, etc. How about fixing that with the "intelligence explosion"? The world economy needs to triple first and scientific knowledge quadripled so folks can stop dying of hunger and cancer. Why do you only see trouble? Why doom? Why no solutions?

Robots will fill the productivity gap - and provide enough resource - so people can work for fun not survival. And Elon himself has said it - robot companies will simply pay heavy tax bill for welfare. No "apocalypse" or such crap. That's phobia.

The problem with Robots filling the productivity gap and replacing PAYE humans is a serious structural problem for the current economic model as it is.   

Add to that the fact that we need to work for a living, leading to the need for a basic universal income which in itself kills all capitalist philosophies as we know them.

And no, i am not anti development, however the speed of transition is worrying.

You can look at it a different way. The coming economy will be based on us providing uniquely human products and services: creativity and spirituality. Meeting human needs that machines cannot fulfill. I'm all for letting machines do all the mathematical, logistical, menial work they can do as far as possible. But unique music, stories, literature, sense of belonging, beauty, dealing with painful or difficult emotions etc etc...those things will need human creativity. So I assume a lot of that will become more and more valuable and completely new careers will be created as we go forth..

[bryan275]

That is what phobia means - unfounded fear. It did not stop the abolition, the industrial revolution nor the digital revolution. Scuttling capitalism is a footnote compared to to the big opportunities. Economists agree we have a productivity gap in the world; and scientists will tell you we are eons from conventional research solving serious medical challenges. Robots and the singularity are a perfect fix for these.

Being robots then they can be built to single handedly target the problem without decimating the current jobs market.  The issue of productivity is because the jobs and available workforce are in the wrong place.   Global employment is not at full capacity for the human race to start replacing it fully with bots.  Kenya has high unemployment rates.

[bryan275]

Empedocles, seriously? That is not what the singularity means. Of course phobics like you and Elon see ghosts everywhere. The rest of us see solutions to big problems still facing humanity - diseases, poverty, conflict, climate change, etc. How about fixing that with the "intelligence explosion"? The world economy needs to triple first and scientific knowledge quadripled so folks can stop dying of hunger and cancer. Why do you only see trouble? Why doom? Why no solutions?

Robots will fill the productivity gap - and provide enough resource - so people can work for fun not survival. And Elon himself has said it - robot companies will simply pay heavy tax bill for welfare. No "apocalypse" or such crap. That's phobia.

The problem with Robots filling the productivity gap and replacing PAYE humans is a serious structural problem for the current economic model as it is.   

Add to that the fact that we need to work for a living, leading to the need for a basic universal income which in itself kills all capitalist philosophies as we know them.

And no, i am not anti development, however the speed of transition is worrying.

You can look at it a different way. The coming economy will be based on us providing uniquely human products and services: creativity and spirituality. Meeting human needs that machines cannot fulfill. I'm all for letting machines do all the mathematical, logistical, menial work they can do as far as possible. But unique music, stories, literature, sense of belonging, beauty, dealing with painful or difficult emotions etc etc...those things will need human creativity. So I assume a lot of that will become more and more valuable and completely new careers will be created as we go forth..

That's all ok, however where do you think think Pleasure bots come in?  Or beter still where will their services end and human services begin?  They too will compete for those unique human "products" like emotional comfort and sexual gratification.