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Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« on: May 20, 2017, 11:51:01 AM »
Some people who have been there in the last four weeks say more grass has grown at the factory as the Mhindi sells prime properties owned by Panpaper in Nairobi and other places. That the so called relaunch was a publicity gimmick. How much percent of that is true? 60% perhaps? :D :D :D
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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2017, 01:07:48 PM »
Panpaper since inception was always political. The rais are doing big things including rai cement in kericho.

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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2017, 03:13:45 PM »
Panpaper since inception was always political. The rais are doing big things including rai cement in kericho.
I am sure they are doing good things close to where William Ruto is. However my question was how is Panpaper doing? I don't need to dredge what you wrote here a few months ago when we told you it was a rip off by Uhuru and some Kalasingas who were interested in the Panpaper prime property which alone could repay the whatever was owed.

Your man in Bungoma - Lusaka - took journalists on an arranged tour where the Kalasingas organized a show gave each journalist a brown envelope and that was it. Well, we stayed behind to film them leave and have been documenting non activities there every day since.

Dawa ya propagandist is patience.
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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2017, 03:20:28 PM »
Whatever you say its not gov obligation to keep panpaper or mumias perpetually in business. Kenya is big.Gov gave it a shot and now it private Rais businesses... They can do whatever they want now.

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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2017, 03:31:46 PM »
Whatever you say its not gov obligation to keep panpaper or mumias perpetually in business. Kenya is big.
I did not say. You said it. You claimed that Uhuru was "reviving Panpaper". Her are your own words, not Omollo's:
Panpaper collapsed in 2009 under Kibadinga regime and UhuRuto have rescued this year. Those companies collapsing were in 2013 when Jubilee on the deathbed.
We will go through severally.A year - ago - western were hostile towards Jubilee - now Jubilee has soften the ground -Mumias & Panpaper bailout from NARA era & appointment of many luhyas in parastals have greatly helped- I expect they'll do really well. Mukisari Kombo/Wamalwa/Ken Lusaka are going to split Bukusu. Raila supporting Teso in Busia - will not be without consquences from Banyala/Samia/Marachi. Vihiga - I just don't buy that - they gave maDVD 4% in 13 and he was a national joke as he is now. Khawale & Wetangula are "snakes" who can bite you anytime - don't go to bed with them - what is in it for Wetangula? Duale position -He'll cut a deal with Jubilee faster than you say mulembe.
It all out there. Gov I think had some say in this - both as shareholder - and as owner of debenture holder (KCB) - and of course in making key concession to Raiply(new owners) including awarding them a long term forest license.

Let hope PanPaper will start producing paper and Webuye resident can get back their livehood.
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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2017, 03:41:26 PM »
They gave it best shot and that is it.

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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2017, 04:18:31 PM »
Omollo you can be ruthless sometimes.  Kuwa mpole tafadhali.

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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2017, 12:09:01 PM »
It seems the tecnocrat handlers of Uhuru and Ruto have realized that they are more keen on the short term buzz - very little interest in sustainability and long term consequences.

The last mile connectivity where prepaid meters were activated in warehouses so that Uhuru can be given the figures is an interesting case. The unga subsidy is turning out to be another serious blunder.
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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2017, 12:46:10 PM »
I think the two organize these illegalities personally. The mandarins are too clever for this. They either refuse or if they agree, you will know what happened when Jesus returns. Kimemia and Iringo looted NBK to pay Supreme Court Judges their bribes when Uhuru had no cash and Kibaki wouldn't agree to use state funds. To this day, no details beyond the money being ferried in landrovers has been known

It seems the tecnocrat handlers of Uhuru and Ruto have realized that they are more keen on the short term buzz - very little interest in sustainability and long term consequences.

The last mile connectivity where prepaid meters were activated in warehouses so that Uhuru can be given the figures is an interesting case. The unga subsidy is turning out to be another serious blunder.
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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2017, 01:16:54 PM »
It is clear the two usually know everything that is happening. Their personal positions on issues such as SGR & NYS says a lot. Outbursts like one on 'kunyorosha Joho' urges on even the most reluctant attack dog in and out of the state machinery.
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Re: Pundit, How is "Revived" PanPaper Doing
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2017, 01:53:13 PM »
It is clear the two usually know everything that is happening. Their personal positions on issues such as SGR & NYS says a lot. Outbursts like one on 'kunyorosha Joho' urges on even the most reluctant attack dog in and out of the state machinery.

The reason they will fail and the reason I abhor them now is when It just occured to me how badly tempered they are. A person with so much power cannot be hot tempered or vengeful. While Ruto can conceal his temper, Uhuru lets go of it and proceeds to abuse state powers.

He tried to have Joho killed and only God and quick thinking Joho saved us from disaster. There are some people you kill and everything just explodes.

Gout, Ruto and Uhuru had one agenda: Seize the state and use it to beat the ICC. They did and had no agenda beyond that. They then realized there is money to be made and they dived in head first.

These guy just licked the Eurobond clean. Not a single coin was used. A small amount was used to share out to favorites with Waiguru getting some in "sacks and bags". The rest was laundered abroad and like chicken that has just swallowed a snail, wiped their beaks and looked stone-facedly to all those asking where the money went.

They can tell us about the money being used on projects etc. Take this example: Kibaki borrowed 20 Billion and put the Thika Road complex. What has Uhuru done with 200 Billions?

The SGR to Naivasha cost KES327b (granted that it was inflated by 50% or more).

This is not a question of loyalty to tribe or person. This is a great matter of national interests.

There is a person who is fond of defending and apologizing for Jubilee using the false equivalency argument. To him, NASA or Raila is the back side of the same coin. There is a case for having thieves that steal in a traditional way than those who violate all known norms.
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