Author Topic: tribes need to set up mafias to defend themselves against a rogue government  (Read 3554 times)

Offline bratha

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I write with reference to the recent events in Mumias, where in search of "stolen" guns, police brutalized hapless villagers.
I start by taking note of the fact that no ordinary person can dare attack a police station, injure a police officer, and proceed to steal guns. The people who did it are affiliated to the government. They are government thugs, possibly uniformed officers in fact. The government wanted an excuse to brutalize its people, in order to reassert itself. It is like the husbands who find it necessary to beat their wives and children, from time to time, in order to reassert themselves and to reassert their authority. Because they can't start beating the wives or children for no reason, they set up traps that the wives or children are sure to fall into. Then they use the same as excuses to assault their wives and children. With regard to Mumias, I have heard rumors that the people who took the weapons were thugs affiliated to the Kenyan military intelligence. The government wanted an excuse to beat the people. So it organized for guns to be "stolen", and then use that as an entry point to brutalize the people. I hear the people there refused to go in a certain direction politically, and they were allegedly rude to the president when he visited. So he or the people close to him organized for the people to be brutalized. They organized for arms to be "stolen" and for that to be used as an excuse to brutalize the people. That is the word on the street.
No doubt major atrocities were committed.
Quite a number of people died. The question is what can be done to right the wrongs done. You can't expect the government to do anything. The government is already defending its agents. Local police boss said that "the GSU were withdrawn after doing their bit, as planned." The keyword there is "as planned". So the entire thing was planned.
In the recent past, worse things have been done against the police in places like North Eastern and in Pokot and in Turkana. But the government agents on the ground dared not brutalize the people (for instance, following the Kapedo incident). What was the detterent? The detterent was one fact. The government agents dared not brutalize the people in those parts because they knew that the warriors of the communities would revenge and avenge for their people. However in Mumias, the government is dealing with hapless, peace-loving and civil Luhyias. So it proceeds to brutalize them. You also remember when Nyali Barracks in Mombasa was attacked, a soldier killed and arms stolen. The government dared not brutalize the people of Nyali, because they are rich and powerful. If it dared, the individual officers responsible would have been dealt with individually.
This, then is the solution I recommend, to ensure that the government doesn't brutalize its people in any part of the country in the future. I recommend that tribes set up their self-defense mafias. I would have recommended the formation of tribal self-defense militias. But that is too ambitious. The goverment is bound to smell any such formation and nip it in the bud. But a mafia can be kept secret. And that is what I am recommending. In case the government commits attrocities, the mafias would not of course confront the government directly in open warfare. They would lose badly. But the government agents committing the atrocities would be taken note of, and later dealt with individually. At the end of the day, every person exists as an individual, and can be dealt with as such. After brutalizing the hapless people in Mumias, the GSU and other police will find their way back to the camps. They will start moving around the camps, drinking in pubs around the camps, and traveling to various places. If the Luhya people had a tribal self defense mafia, this would be the time to strike. Identify the officers who brutalized their people. Then wait for the time when those officers are alone, outside the camps, and deal with them mercilessly. Send the message out strongly that government officers who act with impunity will be held directly and individually responsible for their actions, by the people. An officer, while off duty, without his gun and without the backing of the force, is just a man. Just another man, who can be dealt with like just another man. If they are dealt with individually, the police will be afraid of following unlawful orders. Then impunity will end.
It is a shame that previously peace-loving people like us, the Luhyas have started entertaining such thoughts, because of the government's actions. This unfortunately, is where where the entire nation will end up, with people setting up self defense mechanisms, if the government keeps on brutalizing them. You remember how coast ended up, after the attrocities commited by the government following Kayabombo in 1997. The people withdrew their consent to be governed. The government has subsequently had a very difficult time governing the region. The tourism sector which used to sustain the government with forex suffered, never to recover fully. A quiet civil war continues there. It only comes to surface like for instance in the Kwekwe Mwandaza killing. It is because people withdrew their consent to be governed. Previously, that region used to be the bastion of peace in this nation. Governing it never used to be very expensive. Today, governing the coastal region has become an expensive nightmare. Unfortunately that is how the Western region may also end up being.
Thank you for taking the trouble to read,
Wafula.

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Omollo type conspiracy theories. The stolen phone from the injured cop was traced to that slum. Hence the police operation. Which in kenya mean doing what they did which really is big shame and those cops ought to be investigated.

Luhya just had one police operation and you're crying loudest. How about people like Pokot where police operation is daily affair?

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You are comparing magoes with oranges. Pokots are warriors and fight with the Turkana every other day. Fighting is there hobby. Luhyas peacefull like birds on a tree. Then you start beating them up and they do not know such behaviour, it is an insult to the Luhya people.
Anyway, police in Kenya behave like 60 years ago under colonial governor. They have never leart to offer their service to the people they are supposed to serve. Jubilee govt nipped the police reforms by the bud and now we are facing the consequences.


Luhya just had one police operation and you're crying loudest. How about people like Pokot where police operation is daily affair?

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I just belatedly caught that story.  Yet another argument for full devolution.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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You are comparing magoes with oranges. Pokots are warriors and fight with the Turkana every other day. Fighting is there hobby. Luhyas peacefull like birds on a tree. Then you start beating them up and they do not know such behaviour, it is an insult to the Luhya people.
Anyway, police in Kenya behave like 60 years ago under colonial governor. They have never leart to offer their service to the people they are supposed to serve. Jubilee govt nipped the police reforms by the bud and now we are facing the consequences.


Luhya just had one police operation and you're crying loudest. How about people like Pokot where police operation is daily affair?

What are the elected leaders of said wesdern Abandu victims saying or doing about this?
I saw Khalwale making noise about this on TV but he alone will not have enough impact
What if all wesdern Abandu elected and unelected leaders across political parties decided
to do whatever it takes to have the police brutality perpetrators  arrested and prosecuted ?

 

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You are comparing magoes with oranges. Pokots are warriors and fight with the Turkana every other day. Fighting is there hobby. Luhyas peacefull like birds on a tree. Then you start beating them up and they do not know such behaviour, it is an insult to the Luhya people.
Anyway, police in Kenya behave like 60 years ago under colonial governor. They have never leart to offer their service to the people they are supposed to serve. Jubilee govt nipped the police reforms by the bud and now we are facing the consequences.


Luhya just had one police operation and you're crying loudest. How about people like Pokot where police operation is daily affair?

What are the elected leaders of said wesdern Abandu victims saying or doing about this?
I saw Khalwale making noise about this on TV but he alone will not have enough impact
What if all wesdern Abandu elected and unelected leaders across political parties decided
to do whatever it takes to have the police brutality perpetrators  arrested and prosecuted ?

 

You mean like the MCAs, MPs, governors, Senators from that region?  You are saying it almost as if they care.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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You mean like the MCAs, MPs, governors, Senators from that region? You are saying it almost as if they care.

If the elected leaders don't care, it shifts responsibility back to the fools that elected said leaders

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You're not peaceful when you attack police station, nearly murder an officer and steal 7 guns. Those guns need to be recovered. So many kenyans will not really care about those slum dwellers where cops phone signal is active. Police should conduct an operation with reasonable use of power. That didn't happen though. But all effort need to be expended to recover those guns - which will be used to maim many peaceful luhyas in the near future. This also is a deterrent - otherwise wafrika will attack police station and steal guns.

Growing up as 8yrs old kid I remember a police operation in our village that had us leaving in forest  for 3 days - our villagers had murdered 5 army or police or whatever officer who were moonlighting as ivory smugglers- and what followed the village being beaten and under seize for days until all names were outed - they were later charged and released after 3yrs for murder - and Moi was president.

The attack on police station needed a strong response to send a stronger message for the saftety of everyone.

You are comparing magoes with oranges. Pokots are warriors and fight with the Turkana every other day. Fighting is there hobby. Luhyas peacefull like birds on a tree. Then you start beating them up and they do not know such behaviour, it is an insult to the Luhya people.
Anyway, police in Kenya behave like 60 years ago under colonial governor. They have never leart to offer their service to the people they are supposed to serve. Jubilee govt nipped the police reforms by the bud and now we are facing the consequences.


Luhya just had one police operation and you're crying loudest. How about people like Pokot where police operation is daily affair?

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You're not peaceful when you attack police station, nearly murder an officer and steal 7 guns. Those guns need to be recovered. So many kenyans will not really care about those slum dwellers where cops phone signal is active. Police should conduct an operation with reasonable use of power. That didn't happen though. But all effort need to be expended to recover those guns - which will be used to maim many peaceful luhyas in the near future. This also is a deterrent - otherwise wafrika will attack police station and steal guns.

Growing up as 8yrs old kid I remember a police operation in our village that had us leaving in forest  for 3 days - our villagers had murdered 5 army or police or whatever officer who were moonlighting as ivory smugglers- and what followed the village being beaten and under seize for days until all names were outed - they were later charged and released after 3yrs for murder - and Moi was president.

The attack on police station needed a strong response to send a stronger message for the saftety of everyone.

You are comparing magoes with oranges. Pokots are warriors and fight with the Turkana every other day. Fighting is there hobby. Luhyas peacefull like birds on a tree. Then you start beating them up and they do not know such behaviour, it is an insult to the Luhya people.
Anyway, police in Kenya behave like 60 years ago under colonial governor. They have never leart to offer their service to the people they are supposed to serve. Jubilee govt nipped the police reforms by the bud and now we are facing the consequences.


Luhya just had one police operation and you're crying loudest. How about people like Pokot where police operation is daily affair?

That is indefensible.  The people that were attacked did not raid the police station.  That is a fact.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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The operation targeted that slum because the cop phone signal is active there..indicating the thugs and guns could possibly have been there. The operation is okay.I bet police in chicago would conduct an operation if something that serious was to happen and guns were traced to your neighborhood. what is not okay is police brutalizing and raping people there. They should have conducted the operation more proffesionally.
That is indefensible.  The people that were attacked did not raid the police station.  That is a fact.

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Nobody here questioned the police operation, but the way it was done. Of course the police operation was necessary to recover the stolen guns. Now nobody will even dare give the police any information in fear of being victimised. The Kenya Police has lost its credibility by the Mumias locals. No wonder no guns were recovered.
The Kenya Police needs retraining. Behaving like a colonial force in the 21st century will not work.

The operation targeted that slum because the cop phone signal is active there..indicating the thugs and guns could possibly have been there. The operation is okay.I bet police in chicago would conduct an operation if something that serious was to happen and guns were traced to your neighborhood. what is not okay is police brutalizing and raping people there. They should have conducted the operation more proffesionally.

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Kavulundi who come from Kakamega/Mumias I hope is hearing you. Police reforms long died. Hopefully the judiciary can help reform the police. They've the power to punish police for engaging in illegal acts.
Nobody here questioned the police operation, but the way it was done. Of course the police operation was necessary to recover the stolen guns. Now nobody will even dare give the police any information in fear of being victimised. The Kenya Police has lost its credibility by the Mumias locals. No wonder no guns were recovered.
The Kenya Police needs retraining. Behaving like a colonial force in the 21st century will not work.

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Kavaludi who according to the constituition is supposed to be the oversight authority of the police has like a typical Luhya chickened out and now looks like a Snr. Sgt officer of the police.

Kavulundi who come from Kakamega/Mumias I hope is hearing you. Police reforms long died. Hopefully the judiciary can help reform the police. They've the power to punish police for engaging in illegal acts.

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The villagers had to snipe on these naive idiots, am sure they will be finished off- they should have stuck with chicken stealing. In village set up across Africa suspicious individuals or events will rarely go unnoticed - the set up where everybody knows at least 50% of the othe others is a social security mechanism. People will only keep quiet in case of the larger interests/ fear such during Mau Mau, PEV, SLDF, NE Shifta/Al Shabaab

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Police-recover-six-guns-stolen-at-Booker-Police-Post/1056-3476752-9aus74z/index.html
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