What does machine learning mean to you?

[veritas]

Those chaps accusing some random chic as being a witch, are like MK's leading minds today. Fantasy who should stick to their specialty areas like numbers and not slap their delusions about this number looking like an alien. Thanks to the fact most of society have evolved in the way they think about existence, not many are mindwashed by the threat of alien invasions, or the threat of witches, vampires etc.

Because there are still leading minds who value lessons learnt from history, respect data, and just evidence, keeps those fringe b@stards exposed, that that chic isn't a witch, a post-human, a trans-human, any other label slapped by delusional thinkers subservient to the media hype.

500 years ago, it wasn't in the business of scholars to make predictions about the future. That's what soothsayers may have done and have done. It makes no difference to scholarly understandings whether an iphone, a computer, a Boeing is invented or not. These are just modes of communication, efficiency, connectness, ain't mean it adds value to knowledge. It facilitates knowledge collection, but it doesn't mean IT IS knowledge. Most of what's done in science today isn't new knowledge, it's just procedural, efficient, observational, a capitalist venture- nothing more insightful than that.

[MOON Ki]

500 years ago, it wasn't in the business of scholars to make predictions about the future. That's what soothsayers may have done and have done. It makes no difference to scholarly understandings whether an iphone, a computer, a Boeing is invented or not. These are just modes of communication, efficiency, connectness, ain't mean it adds value to knowledge. It facilitates knowledge collection, but it doesn't mean IT IS knowledge. Most of what's done in science today isn't new knowledge, it's just procedural, efficient, observational, a capitalist venture- nothing more insightful than that.

And what is the end goal of all these "scholarly understanding" and "knowledge"?     How many of your "scholars" would give up the trappings of modern life, the result of technology, to sit in a cave and think?

In 100,000 years Post-Human Me will be sitting in a space-ship, sipping a purple inter-galactic drink, and enjoying a view of the nine moons around some planet at the far end of the universe.   You, on the other hand, will be part of the fossil used to decorate my ashtray.   I'd like to hear what you have to "say" then.     

[Empedocles]

Those chaps accusing some random chic as being a witch, are like MK's leading minds today. Fantasy who should stick to their specialty areas like numbers and not slap their delusions about this number looking like an alien. Thanks to the fact most of society have evolved in the way they think about existence, not many are mindwashed by the threat of alien invasions, or the threat of witches, vampires etc.

Because there are still leading minds who value lessons learnt from history, respect data, and just evidence, keeps those fringe b@stards exposed, that that chic isn't a witch, a post-human, a trans-human, any other label slapped by delusional thinkers subservient to the media hype.

500 years ago, it wasn't in the business of scholars to make predictions about the future. That's what soothsayers may have done and have done. It makes no difference to scholarly understandings whether an iphone, a computer, a Boeing is invented or not. These are just modes of communication, efficiency, connectness, ain't mean it adds value to knowledge. It facilitates knowledge collection, but it doesn't mean IT IS knowledge. Most of what's done in science today isn't new knowledge, it's just procedural, efficient, observational, a capitalist venture- nothing more insightful than that.

Or maybe, you know, the application of knowledge. Knowledge which came from the fringes of society, outside of the mainstream, from quacks and other like minded dreamy folk. Like Galileo Galilei, that madman who dared to go against the grain, who dared to dream of a future where mankind understood more and more about his environment. Galileo, that shroom munching psychedelic dreamer. Or Edison, wanting riches by applying hand-me-down knowledge of materials, vacuum, and electricity, standing upon the shoulders of dreamers before him, all to brighten our nights.

But I'm hungry so I'm going out for a pizza, made by applying many types of knowledge gained through centuries of experimentation and dreams, maybe starting from when that one batsh!t crazy caveman, going against the collective fear of the unknown, bravely took a burning twig and gave man the knowledge of controlling fire, ending thousands of years later as a way to make money by selling steaming hot pizzas or, you know, to send a man to the moon on the back of fire which the caveman never dreamed of.

But others dreamed of it, as did H.G. Wells in 1902, dreaming of it even before the Wright brother's heavier-than-air craft took first flight.

But what do we understand of knowledge, except that the pizza is just food "that came to be" and we shouldn't concern ourselves with downright ridiculous ideas like tran-humanism?

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, asked Mr. Dick?

Maybe they might but only if we keep on dreaming because as the caveman's fire took us to the moon, so might Moon Ki's lopping off heads make us immortal. As a baby stumbles before taking that first step, dreamers from the fringes will always believe.

[MOON Ki]

Veritas seems to think that people working on these are just fringe-element nutjobs.    Far from it.   In Europe, the EU Commission is funding a huge "Brain Project" that includes things like this:

https://www.humanbrainproject.eu/ncp

In the USA, Kwabena Boahen---an African, I'm proud to note---at Stanford has been doing amazing "artificial brain" things, with major funding from the US National Institutes of Health and others.    The NIH is not about whackos, and Boahen has impressed them enough to earn their Pioneer Award.   

Listen to him here (especially second video):

And  here's an example of something that not too long ago would have been considered sci-fi from crazed dreamers:

The bionic eye changing a woman's life
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-35220615

[veritas]

Those chaps accusing some random chic as being a witch, are like MK's leading minds today. Fantasy who should stick to their specialty areas like numbers and not slap their delusions about this number looking like an alien. Thanks to the fact most of society have evolved in the way they think about existence, not many are mindwashed by the threat of alien invasions, or the threat of witches, vampires etc.

Because there are still leading minds who value lessons learnt from history, respect data, and just evidence, keeps those fringe b@stards exposed, that that chic isn't a witch, a post-human, a trans-human, any other label slapped by delusional thinkers subservient to the media hype.

500 years ago, it wasn't in the business of scholars to make predictions about the future. That's what soothsayers may have done and have done. It makes no difference to scholarly understandings whether an iphone, a computer, a Boeing is invented or not. These are just modes of communication, efficiency, connectness, ain't mean it adds value to knowledge. It facilitates knowledge collection, but it doesn't mean IT IS knowledge. Most of what's done in science today isn't new knowledge, it's just procedural, efficient, observational, a capitalist venture- nothing more insightful than that.

Or maybe, you know, the application of knowledge. Knowledge which came from the fringes of society, outside of the mainstream, from quacks and other like minded dreamy folk. Like Galileo Galilei, that madman who dared to go against the grain, who dared to dream of a future where mankind understood more and more about his environment. Galileo, that shroom munching psychedelic dreamer. Or Edison, wanting riches by applying hand-me-down knowledge of materials, vacuum, and electricity, standing upon the shoulders of dreamers before him, all to brighten our nights.

But I'm hungry so I'm going out for a pizza, made by applying many types of knowledge gained through centuries of experimentation and dreams, maybe starting from when that one batsh!t crazy caveman, going against the collective fear of the unknown, bravely took a burning twig and gave man the knowledge of controlling fire, ending thousands of years later as a way to make money by selling steaming hot pizzas or, you know, to send a man to the moon on the back of fire which the caveman never dreamed of.

But others dreamed of it, as did H.G. Wells in 1902, dreaming of it even before the Wright brother's heavier-than-air craft took first flight.

But what do we understand of knowledge, except that the pizza is just food "that came to be" and we shouldn't concern ourselves with downright ridiculous ideas like tran-humanism?

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, asked Mr. Dick?

Maybe they might but only if we keep on dreaming because as the caveman's fire took us to the moon, so might Moon Ki's lopping off heads make us immortal. As a baby stumbles before taking that first step, dreamers from the fringes will always believe.

It was Copernicus and not Galileo that proposed and discovered the earth rotated around the sun. Copernicus was a man of God and was revered by the church. His stuff is still revered by the church and is stashed away in Vatican vaults. Scholars today don't study Galileo's works unless to study the warring history between the church and monarchy. Galileo's stuff, some might say, is just plagiarized Copernicanism, and his invention- a telescope. That inflated other stuff is pop media.

Galileo when you study his letters, was arrogant. He became a staunch advocate of Copernicanism and so the pope met with Galileo and proposed he can teach it at a smaller place. Reason is because the church was concerned the masses weren't ready for the truth. It was obvious among scholars, monks and so forth the earth rotated around the sun, and that Copernicanism was right- even the pope acknowledged this in his private letters. However, Galileo went screaming to the monarchy and used paupers, other monks to wage war against the church, while he lapped up in seclusion to do his thing. He was an artist and if there were politicians back then- one of the first statesmen. The political undertone to all this is, he and others were sick of the church being in charge. I empathize with that in some sense because theocracies back then had armies and were monstrous, they were the status quo- the govt, and suppressed education and knowledge sharing among the masses.

Copernicanism was mainstream among scholars- not fringe.

Edison was an inventor not a scholar. His invention has obvious consequences. Energy consumption, energy wars, CO2s, global warming, a monopoly for the rich while 70% of the globe including a majority of Kenyan households even today- use candles. Steaming hot pizza? The best tasting pizzas are brick fired- not via some electric oven .

The people you describe aren't dreamers, they were ambitious. For self glory, satisfy curiosities. Anyone can dream, but it takes ambition, hardwork, commitment and so forth to make it happen. They made the impossible possible out of blood, sweat, tears- not dreaming. Perhaps it's best to leave the I have a dream epithets to political podiums.

[veritas]

Well, the EU are a nut job.

There are literally thousands of Brain Projects around the globe today. What on Earth do they do? They run imaging scans on brains and make correlations. What exactly have they discovered? Nothing but buzz words and a software or two according to that website. There are countless science projects around the globe today devoid of knowledge going nowhere, ripping each others eyes out for survival, grants, the monster of Capitalism, while poverty is on the rise and the most vulnerable in societies at a higher risk of becoming mere test subjects.

The NIH are wackos. Most of what they fund culminates BS and consistently harm countless patients.

Why are they even making a circuit board with that much ammo? Isn't the failures of CERN lesson enough? CERN circuit board, let me post here I took a pic at this museum:



What a waste of time and money.

And you honestly believe this trajectory and these fellas are gonna reverse time and bring the dead back to life? I'll take my chances with Plato's cave.

Veritas seems to think that people working on these are just fringe-element nutjobs.    Far from it.   In Europe, the EU Commission is funding a huge "Brain Project" that includes things like this:

https://www.humanbrainproject.eu/ncp

In the USA, Kwabena Boahen---an African, I'm proud to note---at Stanford has been doing amazing "artificial brain" things, with major funding from the US National Institutes of Health and others.    The NIH is not about whackos, and Boahen has impressed them enough to earn their Pioneer Award.   

Listen to him here (especially second video):

And  here's an example of something that not too long ago would have been considered sci-fi from crazed dreamers:

The bionic eye changing a woman's life
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-35220615

[Empedocles]

It was Copernicus and not Galileo that proposed and discovered the earth rotated around the sun. Copernicus was a man of God and was revered by the church. His stuff is still revered by the church and is stashed away in Vatican vaults. Scholars today don't study Galileo's works unless to study the warring history between the church and monarchy. Galileo's stuff, some might say, is just plagiarized Copernicanism, and his invention- a telescope. That inflated other stuff is pop media.

Galileo when you study his letters, was arrogant. He became a staunch advocate of Copernicanism and so the pope met with Galileo and proposed he can teach it at a smaller place. Reason is because the church was concerned the masses weren't ready for the truth. It was obvious among scholars, monks and so forth the earth rotated around the sun, and that Copernicanism was right- even the pope acknowledged this in his private letters. However, Galileo went screaming to the monarchy and used paupers, other monks to wage war against the church, while he lapped up in seclusion to do his thing. He was an artist and if there were politicians back then- one of the first statesmen. The political undertone to all this is, he and others were sick of the church being in charge. I empathize with that in some sense because theocracies back then had armies and were monstrous, they were the status quo- the govt, and suppressed education and knowledge sharing among the masses.

Copernicanism was mainstream among scholars- not fringe.

Edison was an inventor not a scholar. His invention has obvious consequences. Energy consumption, energy wars, CO2s, global warming, a monopoly for the rich while 70% of the globe including a majority of Kenyan households even today- use candles. Steaming hot pizza? The best tasting pizzas are brick fired- not via some electric oven .

The people you describe aren't dreamers, they were ambitious. For self glory, satisfy curiosities. Anyone can dream, but it takes ambition, hardwork, commitment and so forth to make it happen. They made the impossible possible out of blood, sweat, tears- not dreaming. Perhaps it's best to leave the I have a dream epithets to political podiums.

I never wrote that Galileo was the first to suggest heliocentrism. But since we're on that topic now, Galileo was the first to prove, when he gazed upon four of Jupiter's moons, that other celestial bodies were not orbiting the earth. But some people refused to accept his word, believing geocentrism was the correct position.

When did the Catholic church apologize to Galileo? Wasn't it something like 23 years after Armstrong's giant leap for Mankind?

It's OK, you seem to fear technology and where it's leading us to. Maybe to a bad place or maybe to a good place, I wouldn't know and I doubt anyone can know.

But what I do know is that it's unstoppable, even were we to have an all out nuclear war. For that is the essence of mankind, to strive forward, questioning everything and looking to master the environment.

So just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[veritas]

The end goal is what it's always been, the enlightenment, heaven on earth, gods among men, bridge between worlds, abolishing time, eternity, call it whatever, but just not a conquest, the Tower of Babel, monuments of inevitable doom, baal worship, bondage and slavery, a price tag, a label, a mark 666. These things were already warned, and believe you me they drip with so much honey it's so easy to be charmed.

When I was a little girl, I had this dream. I opened my eyes and got up. Scores of people were lined up and kneeling with their hands covering their eyes. My mother hushed and begged me to kneel and cover my eyes. I refused. Out of nowhere, this giant eye came tumbling towards me and it watched me. Tried to scare me into submission. I refused. Life was shit after that and is still shit. But out of that came this quiet awareness, like a silent presence carrying me through the storms. A realization that the universe is a big place, that it isn't so empty, it too has its codes, it too has its truths, it too has a pragmatic purity inline with humanity's true trajectory.

500 years ago, it wasn't in the business of scholars to make predictions about the future. That's what soothsayers may have done and have done. It makes no difference to scholarly understandings whether an iphone, a computer, a Boeing is invented or not. These are just modes of communication, efficiency, connectness, ain't mean it adds value to knowledge. It facilitates knowledge collection, but it doesn't mean IT IS knowledge. Most of what's done in science today isn't new knowledge, it's just procedural, efficient, observational, a capitalist venture- nothing more insightful than that.

And what is the end goal of all these "scholarly understanding" and "knowledge"?     How many of your "scholars" would give up the trappings of modern life, the result of technology, to sit in a cave and think?

In 100,000 years Post-Human Me will be sitting in a space-ship, sipping a purple inter-galactic drink, and enjoying a view of the nine moons around some planet at the far end of the universe.   You, on the other hand, will be part of the fossil used to decorate my ashtray.   I'd like to hear what you have to "say" then.     

[veritas]

My suggestion is to study the letters between the church and Galileo. Galileo wasn't the first man in history to observe such. Ancient civilizations of yester years like the Egyptians and Aztecs created such apparatuses on a larger magnitude. But I guess since they're not white, history excludes their contributions.

I know enough about technology since I'm a child of that generation to know where it goes rogue. I know enough about code, electrical charge and basic science to know its limits and where the line is between media hype BS, buzz words, political garbage, and how notoriously empty and slow real science is.

Science today is just data and scientists connecting dots however they want. There's no new knowledge there aside from the latest buzz short-lived trajectory.

There's nothing to stop except protecting the masses from becoming test subjects.

There isn't going to be a nuclear war (an invention by science) because presently the best thinkers have put in place knowledge-based strategies aka Plato's stuff that counteract nuclear war. The threat is biowarfare (next invention by science) and a new generation of thinkers with sufficient technological expertise to place knowledge-based strategies that can counteract biowarfare.

I never wrote that Galileo was the first to suggest heliocentrism. But since we're on that topic now, Galileo was the first to prove, when he gazed upon four of Jupiter's moons, that other celestial bodies were not orbiting the earth. But some people refused to accept his word, believing geocentrism was the correct position.

When did the Catholic church apologize to Galileo? Wasn't it something like 23 years after Armstrong's giant leap for Mankind?

It's OK, you seem to fear technology and where it's leading us to. Maybe to a bad place or maybe to a good place, I wouldn't know and I doubt anyone can know.

But what I do know is that it's unstoppable, even were we to have an all out nuclear war. For that is the essence of mankind, to strive forward, questioning everything and looking to master the environment.

So just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I went to this talk by an impressionable well spoken youngish academic economist who seems to mistaken warehouse labelling and basic human guided robotics from a couple decades ago for machine learning. He expressed little knowledge about science and technology, deep learning, data mining algorithms etc let alone machine learning. Also a lack of foresight on workforce trends like casual jobs, avoiding tax, being a manager, employment hierarchies, bitcoin trends, marketable tech vs prototypes, microfinancing in agrarian developing economy dynamics... just too many blindspots.

He seemed truly convinced 47% of jobs are at high risk of being lost to machines when that figure seems as arbitrary as 50% yes or no. I'm no expert at statistics but realistic when considering anomalies like the rise of casual jobs, non-taxable incomes, sub contacting, young people selling apps and making money via online, I'd forecast the rate of taxable full time positions falling to maybe 10-20% in place of casual, non taxeable income. Seems stupid to suggest 47% being lost to machines.

I don't think this chap has ever worked in a warehouse because only 1 person drives the forklift at a time due to safety regulations. If a machine is doing this it still needs someone to supervise this machine. In actuality since my uncle owns car factories, he had to employ more people after they installed robotics because of safety monitoring but of a different/ higher skillset. Instead of mechanics, engineers etc.

Machine driven warehouses require more expert monitoring. More safety regulations. Interesting he didn't even mention the fact machine driven warehouses have had to employ more ground staff in the warehouse but of a different skillset. That in actual fact companies had to employ more staff for robotic kind of warehouses. This chap was stuck on the industrial rev where machines replace panga cutters.

I'm wondering whether this stigma of academic economists being just history buff blabbers with no work experience to forecast or conduct quality research goes across the board. I noticed they make like a tenth in terms of income of what real world economists/stockbrokers make.

I wanna ask, what does machine learning mean to you?

AI perhaps?

[veritas]

I believe AI is def. happening. I just don't think it'll be as appreciated without an optimal eco-system so to allow an AI robot to flourish. It'll be like R2-D2 in Antarctica constantly freezing and not much use to a group of penguins.

[MOON Ki]

When I was a little girl, I had this dream. I opened my eyes and got up. Scores of people were lined up and kneeling with their hands covering their eyes. My mother hushed and begged me to kneel and cover my eyes. I refused. Out of nowhere, this giant eye came tumbling towards me and it watched me. Tried to scare me into submission. I refused. Life was shit after that and is still shit. But out of that came this quiet awareness, like a silent presence carrying me through the storms. A realization that the universe is a big place, that it isn't so empty, it too has its codes, it too has its truths, it too has a pragmatic purity inline with humanity's true trajectory.

I had numerous experiences of that sort in my youth.   Eventually I gave up weed and stopped reading Carlos Castenada.

[Empedocles]

When I was a little girl, I had this dream. I opened my eyes and got up. Scores of people were lined up and kneeling with their hands covering their eyes. My mother hushed and begged me to kneel and cover my eyes. I refused. Out of nowhere, this giant eye came tumbling towards me and it watched me. Tried to scare me into submission. I refused. Life was shit after that and is still shit. But out of that came this quiet awareness, like a silent presence carrying me through the storms. A realization that the universe is a big place, that it isn't so empty, it too has its codes, it too has its truths, it too has a pragmatic purity inline with humanity's true trajectory.

I had numerous experiences of that sort in my youth.   Eventually I gave up weed and stopped reading Carlos Castenada.

Ah yes, Carlos Castenada. Brings back memories of reading of his peyote experiences.

[MOON Ki]

Ah yes, Carlos Castenada. Brings back memories of reading of his peyote experiences.

Veritas probably approves of Don Juan Matus, the Yaqui "Man of Knowledge".   

[veritas]

funny... but .... interrupted defence mechanism.



were you two separated at birth ?



.... but don't get too snug. ... makes you both look like an ass.

[Empedocles]

Yes, Pierson's puppeteers may be cowards but without their technology, the Ringworld would have never been explored.

I'm a Kzin. 

On the 29th Sept., Sam Harris has an interesting Ted talk coming out on the TED youtube channel. I was fortunate to see a leaked copy 2 weeks ago before it was yanked. It's very interesting.

[veritas]

Thanks for the heads up but I'll skip. I think there's an age difference on how we view life. Do you think your mum would be interested in TED talks? Probably not. I've traversed continents to listen to hundreds of speakers from figureheads to whom ever and pretty much have heard it all. I'm tired. Call it jaded if you may.

ok Kzin 



Two kitty heads are ferocious than two bird heads I suppose .

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I believe AI is def. happening. I just don't think it'll be as appreciated without an optimal eco-system so to allow an AI robot to flourish. It'll be like R2-D2 in Antarctica constantly freezing and not much use to a group of penguins.

Yep.  It will happen.  Still in it's infancy.  Uber for instance will eventually to put taxi drivers out commission.

[veritas]

I noticed Uber is popular in the States particularly among college students. But the problem is they might come or not. I had an incident on the train late night and this homeless f* kept hitting onto me about getting a room. I ignored him but this mama interjected and told him off. He told her to sit down or he'd cut her. So I told the f* to shut up and apologize to the mama. He began screaming and tried to punch me but I bored down on him like hell fury not budging. But he still wouldn't shut up about all women being etc. so I got off at the next stop and he followed. Still kept cussing at me but I ignored him and kept walking. I ran into a chic and we decided to share a cab. She gets uber excited about uber being about a minute away, 40 mins later the uber driver can't make it. So I hailed a regular cab.

[Empedocles]

Here's the rather interesting Sam Harris Ted talk on AI I had mentioned, just in case you get an uncontrollable urge to watch it.