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To Simanova, For Raila
« on: July 03, 2016, 07:06:43 AM »
You have several "political" threads going, and I'd rather not replicate this all over the place.    Here are some "issues" r.e. your man:

** More democracy at lowest level would put him in good stead to complain about rigging at higher levels.   (Even in Nyanza people have had to pay for going along with rigged ODM primaries.)

** More democracy and openness at the middle level would help with "management" problems.      (Current "SG problems" can be traced back to the MIB stunt.)

** Less of the huge (and exhilarating)  "We love you to death, Jakom!" rallies and more of the dull, hard grunt-work of getting people to register and to get out to vote.     

* Fewer complaints about Jubilee buying CORD people.   Jubilee is not in it for lovey-dovey: they are doing what one what can expect in a place like Kenya, and one should not imagine that complaints will change them.   (Get better people, or get a better plan.)

* Other parties in CORD will not keep supporting Jakom until the day comes when all his opposition has disappeared or become appropriately compliant.    Don't waste any more time.   

-- The ** points are paramount.   They also have other implications, e.g. unhelpfully excessive excitement r.e. the chicken-eating IEBC.
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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2016, 03:22:09 PM »
MK

You make very good points and I can say I agree with all of them with a few variations to detail and context.

For starters, political parties are by nature private entities at least according the US supreme court (as opposed to the wonderful topsyturvy Kenyan jurisprudence). Thus the reasons why person A would be denied a certificate and see it handed to person B are complex. I still feel parties should continue to exercise that discretionary option but with some transparency. Instead of cooking figures to achieve that, the party should be open about the real reasons why a candidate is denied the certificate.

You will obviously disagree and link it as you have to lack of democratic space. I would say in defense that it was not a unique ODM / CORD issue but it involved all political parties even TNA / URP. Because it involves repudiating the popular will of the people, the instrument should be used sparingly. You are not doubt aware of the pains the republican party is going through with Trump and the various ideas floated to stop someone who won but will cause the party to lose.

MIB: I still believe Ababu Namwamba should not have been elected SG. The party knew he had been sponsored to take the seat and decided to give it to him all the same. I doubt that I can be objective as concerns Ababu. I had a thread at the other place about it then that has become even more relevant today. Parties should not allow people who do not share or believe in their fundamentals within their midst. So I agree that the events of MIB led to this but only in as much as they failed to stop Ababu from being elected. 

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2016, 03:23:43 PM »
The rallies are important in mobilizing popular support. However I agree that more money should be directed at voter registration and education. CORD is lagging behind in that.

On buying: CORD has of now near unlimited funds to match Jubilee. I too wonder why these funds are not being deployed to keep our MPs and Senators inside the tent.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2016, 05:36:13 PM »
For starters, political parties are by nature private entities at least according the US supreme court (as opposed to the wonderful topsyturvy Kenyan jurisprudence). Thus the reasons why person A would be denied a certificate and see it handed to person B are complex. I still feel parties should continue to exercise that discretionary option but with some transparency. Instead of cooking figures to achieve that, the party should be open about the real reasons why a candidate is denied the certificate.

You will obviously disagree and link it as you have to lack of democratic space. I would say in defense that it was not a unique ODM / CORD issue but it involved all political parties even TNA / URP. Because it involves repudiating the popular will of the people, the instrument should be used sparingly. You are not doubt aware of the pains the republican party is going through with Trump and the various ideas floated to stop someone who won but will cause the party to lose.

That's a rather convoluted justification of Raila's mischief.  Yes, parties are free to hand out certificates as they please, etc. etc. etc.   

Anyways ... Let's for a minute leave other parties and Trump out  of it.   Let's work with a concrete example: Please explain to me the rationale for rigging out the guy who won the primaries for the governorship of Siaya. What are  the "complex" reasons that led to that?

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MIB: I still believe Ababu Namwamba should not have been elected SG. The party knew he had been sponsored to take the seat and decided to give it to him all the same. I doubt that I can be objective as concerns Ababu. I had a thread at the other place about it then that has become even more relevant today. Parties should not allow people who do not share or believe in their fundamentals within their midst. So I agree that the events of MIB led to this but only in as much as they failed to stop Ababu from being elected. 

MIB was an interesting circus.   First, we were told that it had been done by Jubilee moles and all would be revealed.   That was forgotten.   Then we were told that there would be new elections in 90 days.   That too was soon forgotten.   And so on.

On Namwamba, if, as you say, "the party knew he had been sponsored to take the seat and decided to give it to him all the same", then the party is in even worse shape than  thought and needs new leadership.      Those complaining about him also ought to stop; if they "knew", what did they expect?   
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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2016, 12:15:56 AM »
Raila is not ODM. So there may be something called "Raila-mischief" but it has nothing to do with what you describe. The Siaya events led to a by-election which was won by the man fronted by the party. Thus the initial view of the so called real winner was vindicated. TNA sponsored candidates in ODM primaries. One of them later petitioned and caused a by election.

ODM is the most democratic party in Kenya. I understand that you want this enhanced and no doubt it will. I just hope other political parties will follow suit by holding direct popular elections. Name any other party that has done that or as frequently as ODM has done.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2016, 01:20:15 AM »
Raila is not ODM. So there may be something called "Raila-mischief" but it has nothing to do with what you describe. The Siaya events led to a by-election which was won by the man fronted by the party. Thus the initial view of the so called real winner was vindicated. TNA sponsored candidates in ODM primaries. One of them later petitioned and caused a by election.

I can see that you just want to play with words; that's OK, but, for the sake of your party, I hope you internally acknowledge the real issues.   Actually, ODM is pretty much just Raila these days; so is CORD.     Even if we disagree on that, the high-level riggings, MIB, and other suchlike mischief obviously have Raila's blessings and sometimes are instigated by him.    What Raila really needs is good, honest, objective advice, not clever spin.

On Siaya, I was hoping to read your "complex-issues" explanation of why Oduol was rigged out; I take it none will be forthcoming.

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ODM is the most democratic party in Kenya. I understand that you want this enhanced and no doubt it will. I just hope other political parties will follow suit by holding direct popular elections. Name any other party that has done that or as frequently as ODM has done.

We should leave other parties out of it.    I wrote specifically about Raila/ODM/CORD, and specifically to you, because you have been busy here peddling that lot.    If someone does the same with respect to TNA, Jubilee, URP, XYZ, I will write on that as appropriate.    Also:

* Popular elections are not worth much if they are rigged.

* Your side should try to behave for its own good; so it is self-defeating to misbehave on the grounds that others too are dong it.

* CORD's main competition does not seem to suffer from the little circuses that keep CORD busy; right now they already know their flag-bearers for 2017 and are busy tightening things while CORD's leadership is engaged in bizarre quarrels.
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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2016, 01:31:21 AM »
The rallies are important in mobilizing popular support. However I agree that more money should be directed at voter registration and education. CORD is lagging behind in that.

Generally, elections are not necessarily won by the most popular person; they are won by the person who gets the most people to vote (after first getting them to register).       In Kenya, rigging also helps a great deal.     

If you really want to help your side, may I suggest a couple of starting points:

* Every time you and your buddies take photographs of CORD crowds, post them on social media, ... stop and send a note to the CORD leadership: "Do you know how what proportion of this crowd consists of registered voters?"

* All these guys apparently love to dance for the crowds.    Suggest to them that during their gyrations they should stop at intervals and say a few things about the importance of voter registration.
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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2016, 04:14:04 AM »
I do not quite understand why ODM alone should be the focus of your negative attention in matters in which it comes out better than all the others. All the other parties have never held elections - even shambolic ones. Most are still operating with interim officials not sanctioned by the current membership. Yet you pick on the one that has held grassroots elections on a regular basis for your most severe tongue lashing. It sounds totally unfair.
I can see that you just want to play with words; that's OK, but, for the sake of your party, I hope you internally acknowledge the real issues.   Actually, ODM is pretty much just Raila these days; so is CORD.     Even if we disagree on that, the high-level riggings, MIB, and other suchlike mischief obviously have Raila's blessings and sometimes are instigated by him.    What Raila really needs is good, honest, objective advice, not clever spin.

On Siaya, I was hoping to read your "complex-issues" explanation of why Oduol was rigged out; I take it none will be forthcoming.
In principle then all political parties in Kenya belong to some big name somewhere. Some have actually been bought with hard cash and hence are owned goods and chattels of the said individuals. ODM on the other hand was formed out of common interests and remains so. A party liked TNA belongs to Uhuru.

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We should leave other parties out of it.    I wrote specifically about Raila/ODM/CORD, and specifically to you, because you have been busy here peddling that lot.    If someone does the same with respect to TNA, Jubilee, URP, XYZ, I will write on that as appropriate.    Also:
If we are discussing ODM in Kenya and are suggesting it falls below existing standards, it is only fair to shine the same light on other parties. Upon what yardstick then are you measuring ODM? Is it standardized? How are the other parties scoring? This is akin to a teacher punishing the best performer more harshly than the poorest mshika mkia.

On Oduor, I do not recollect any evidence of any rigging. I believe you are a victim of media sensationalism. His love for the media caught up with him when photos of his battered wife emerged. Anyway, he threw caution to the winds and openly ran on a TNA ticket. I am glad the wife beater was rejected by the people of Siaya.

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* Popular elections are not worth much if they are rigged.
I am not aware of any rigged elections, are you?
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* Your side should try to behave for its own good; so it is self-defeating to misbehave on the grounds that others too are dong it.
ODM has not tried to copy other parties. If we were to do that there would have been no grassroots elections or National Elections.

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* CORD's main competition does not seem to suffer from the little circuses that keep CORD busy; right now they already know their flag-bearers for 2017 and are busy tightening things while CORD's leadership is engaged in bizarre quarrels.
1. What little circuses are these that are unique to CORD? There have been leadership wrangles in all Jubilee parties. Have you heard of Chama Cha Mashinani? Did you not see KANU fielding a candidate in Kericho in a fratricidal war? Did not Jubilee lose an MCA to Mashinani?
2. How was the Jubilee candidate get known? Was there a delegates conference which CORD has not yet summoned? Were there grassroots elections? Caucuses? How was he elected? In fact there is no party that has conducted any nomination. Yet these same parties are using their surrogates in CORD to call for a candidate in the hope that the losers will bolt to Jubilee.
3. There is no quarrel in CORD. We have two disgruntled persons who went missing when the party needed them most and are hiding their shame by trying to reward their masters with a manufactured crisis that isn't picking traction. That said there is party on earth that does not have internal disagreements. Perhaps if you allow me to write more about other parties I would give you examples.
4. You refer to Jubilee as tightening things. I disagree. Jubilee is in a mess. It is trying to create JAP to ensure a 6 piece suit. That won't work and in fact we foresee getting a few CORD MPs and governors over there based on the fallout we expect. We did get some MPs from Meru and Nakuru.
5. Jubilee is no party. It is now run by the Provincial Administration, CID and NSIS with government funds. Come September 2017 and it will die of natural causes when they all get booted out of office. CORD / ODM is fighting the government and not a political party. The arrests, harassment and intimidation is being carried out by these state agencies and bodies. Therefore our operations have been adopted to cater for that. You saw me kicked out of choo.com on the orders of the state (IP banned and any new handles deleted minutes after registration). A further attempt made to hack my computer and the arrest of a man whose phone I used to logon to social media. We have a desperate regime in down fall and panic mode.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2016, 04:21:42 AM »
CORD has been mobilizing members to register. We are hampered by lack of ID cards.

The IEBC has been discriminating when it comes to voter registration with more resources being deployed in Central than other areas of the country. Hence we are demanding the reform of that body. We are also moving to widen what qualifies as ID card and whether it is even necessary for elections. Why have the BMR and then deny someone the right to vote? Other countries have used ID cards issued by the Electoral body. E.g Sierra Leone.

I see you have some beef with political rallies. Well, like I say, you may need to stock up on aspirins because we shall be having a lot of mega rallies. We shall take to marching not just having rallies. We may have a long march from Kisumu, Mombasa, Mandera Bungoma, Busia, etc all heading to Nairobi a week before elections. You have never seen anything like that... The Grand March to State House!
Generally, elections are not necessarily won by the most popular person; they are won by the person who gets the most people to vote (after first getting them to register).       In Kenya, rigging also helps a great deal.     

If you really want to help your side, may I suggest a couple of starting points:

* Every time you and your buddies take photographs of CORD crowds, post them on social media, ... stop and send a note to the CORD leadership: "Do you know how what proportion of this crowd consists of registered voters?"

* All these guys apparently love to dance for the crowds.    Suggest to them that during their gyrations they should stop at intervals and say a few things about the importance of voter registration.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2016, 05:51:23 AM »
I see you have some beef with political rallies. Well, like I say, you may need to stock up on aspirins because we shall be having a lot of mega rallies. We shall take to marching not just having rallies. We may have a long march from Kisumu, Mombasa, Mandera Bungoma, Busia, etc all heading to Nairobi a week before elections. You have never seen anything like that... The Grand March to State House!

No, I have no "beef" with the rallies; they can be entertaining, and they keep busy some youth who would otherwise be committing petty crimes elsewhere.    And I wish you well in your "Grand March".   Just don't forget how elections are won.
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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2016, 06:57:54 AM »
I do not quite understand why ODM alone should be the focus of your negative attention in matters in which it comes out better than all the others.

All the other parties have never held elections - even shambolic ones. Most are still operating with interim officials not sanctioned by the current membership. Yet you pick on the one that has held grassroots elections on a regular basis for your most severe tongue lashing. It sounds totally unfair.

Please go back and read this:

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I wrote specifically about Raila/ODM/CORD, and specifically to you, because you have been busy here peddling that lot.    If someone does the same with respect to TNA, Jubilee, URP, XYZ, I will write on that as appropriate.

In addition, I believe that a reformed Raila+CORD could be a helpful replacement for Jubilee/JAP.   That is why I did not merely criticize: I also offered a couple of useful suggestions for you and your friends.

On Oduol in Siaya, please review the facts.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2016, 11:30:48 AM »
ODM being the most democratic party is funny. URP/TNA ran very clean nomination. Something that Raila's party just cannot muster. It down to one thing..Raila loves to interfere with election. If he had stayed out like Ruto and Uhuru did..and let his close alies fall aside...he won't have all the many dead wood in the ODM.

ODM is the least democratic party and is going down.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2016, 02:28:43 PM »
Pundit

How is it "funny"?

When did TNA and URP hold grassroots elections? When was Ole Sakaja elected? TNA and URP are operating with un-elected and interim officials, having never held elections. A democratic party is first and foremost measured by its internal democracy. That is measured by the ability to allow members to elect those who will run the affairs of the party. If the parties held no elections, how democratic then was the nominations? The fruit of a contaminated tree are equally contaminated. The officials had no mandate to lead the nominations (if any)

And now you are on Nominations: Who elected Uhuru the party flag bearer? Was it done by elected delegates? Who were the other candidates? I could ask the same of URP which by the way is still run by unelected "Founders" and has never seen any free democratic elections.

ODM on the other hand has held multiple elections since its formation. Even when Ruto was in he served on the basis of having been elected.

The irony of it all is that Ruto and Mudavadi complained of lack of internal democracy as they left ODM only to go and launch briefcase parties with no elections and no machinery.


ODM being the most democratic party is funny. URP/TNA ran very clean nomination. Something that Raila's party just cannot muster. It down to one thing..Raila loves to interfere with election. If he had stayed out like Ruto and Uhuru did..and let his close alies fall aside...he won't have all the many dead wood in the ODM.

ODM is the least democratic party and is going down.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2016, 02:37:21 PM »

No, I have no "beef" with the rallies; they can be entertaining, and they keep busy some youth who would otherwise be committing petty crimes elsewhere.    And I wish you well in your "Grand March".   Just don't forget how elections are won.
I disagree. I get all the dog-whistle insinuations against rallies. You would prefer Raila go to each and every home of the 7 - 8 million voters he needs to win and urge them to register. Well, MK, we are short of time and we prefer the methods that have worked. They worked in 2007 when ODM won; They worked in 2013 before Uhuru got IEBC help to rig himself in. This time round those methods will work wonders.

In fact where do you get the idea that our voters do not register. Explain the discrepancy between the registered voters totals in Central between 2007 and 2013. Was there an epidemic over there that was not publicized?

Then we have such a huge rise from the modest normal numbers in 2002 to the crazy figures of 2007.

Inflation of voter registers is not the same thing as TNA organizing better. Are you in effect saying we ij ODM should emulate that? And find a way of inflating numbers so that we to have 2 million reserve votes for deployment? That means you have not fully understood why we want reforms in IEBC.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2016, 02:38:45 PM »
I have fully responded to all that below. I see nothing that requires a review.

I do not quite understand why ODM alone should be the focus of your negative attention in matters in which it comes out better than all the others.

All the other parties have never held elections - even shambolic ones. Most are still operating with interim officials not sanctioned by the current membership. Yet you pick on the one that has held grassroots elections on a regular basis for your most severe tongue lashing. It sounds totally unfair.

Please go back and read this:

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I wrote specifically about Raila/ODM/CORD, and specifically to you, because you have been busy here peddling that lot.    If someone does the same with respect to TNA, Jubilee, URP, XYZ, I will write on that as appropriate.

In addition, I believe that a reformed Raila+CORD could be a helpful replacement for Jubilee/JAP.   That is why I did not merely criticize: I also offered a couple of useful suggestions for you and your friends.

On Oduol in Siaya, please review the facts.

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2016, 04:22:39 PM »
Thanks for the updates Simanova.

For ODM it's never been about power for the sake of power. Sure they can sit back and play the same game TNA/URP are playing.. underhanded deals, assigning officials, pay the asians, the ECK, the courts, ask for international help, no grassroots initiatives just like Kibaki and his NO election campaign strategy who still got away with stealing the presidency.

For ODM, they have a higher calling. They need to stay true to that. A change which involves all Kenyans, like a baby kicking to get out of it's mummy's tummy. But not just that, a higher calling that'll one day save the world.

What we are witnessing is historical and have been for the past decade. A mother pushing persistently against all odds, all corruption, all threats, all risks, all evil, ferociously pushing against the old guard, not falling for the ruse, not succumbing to the easy road, and someday whether anyone supports it or not, this baby, so preciously protected, nurtured with transparency, integrity, grassroots support, respect for all tribes, respect for humanity, is going to be the revolution.

These campaigns are more than just about winning or losing the elections.

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2016, 04:56:34 PM »
I disagree. I get all the dog-whistle insinuations against rallies. You would prefer Raila go to each and every home of the 7 - 8 million voters he needs to win and urge them to register. Well, MK, we are short of time and we prefer the methods that have worked. They worked in 2007 when ODM won; They worked in 2013 before Uhuru got IEBC help to rig himself in. This time round those methods will work wonders.

Wonders are always good.   But if I may ask: will there be another voter registration exercise?

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In fact where do you get the idea that our voters do not register.
   

Perhaps I am wrong.   Since you seem to be possessed of the facts, let us start there:

(1) How many eligible voters are to be found in CORD strongholds?

(2) Of those, how many are registered?

Also, earlier you wrote that

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However I agree that more money should be directed at voter registration and education. CORD is lagging behind in that.

Where did you get  that "idea", which could have helped me with  the one whose source you have inquired about?   (That was just a couple of days ago.   Is CORD no longer "lagging behind"?)   

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Explain the discrepancy between the registered voters totals in Central between 2007 and 2013. Was there an epidemic over there that was not publicized?

I can't comment in detail, since I don't know the magnitude of the "discrepancy".       But possibilities that come to mind are that some people who did not register in 2007 did so in 2013, some people who were not of age in 2007 came of age by 2013, some people who were chucked out of the Rift Valley during the PEV ended up in Central, etc.

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Inflation of voter registers is not the same thing as TNA organizing better. Are you in effect saying we ij ODM should emulate that? And find a way of inflating numbers so that we to have 2 million reserve votes for deployment? That means you have not fully understood why we want reforms in IEBC.

We will have a better discussion if you provide the numbers involved in this "inflation", where they are located, etc.
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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2016, 06:33:36 PM »
Thanks for the updates Simanova.

For ODM it's never been about power for the sake of power. Sure they can sit back and play the same game TNA/URP are playing.. underhanded deals, assigning officials, pay the asians, the ECK, the courts, ask for international help, no grassroots initiatives just like Kibaki and his NO election campaign strategy who still got away with stealing the presidency.

For ODM, they have a higher calling. They need to stay true to that. A change which involves all Kenyans, like a baby kicking to get out of it's mummy's tummy. But not just that, a higher calling that'll one day save the world.

What we are witnessing is historical and have been for the past decade. A mother pushing persistently against all odds, all corruption, all threats, all risks, all evil, ferociously pushing against the old guard, not falling for the ruse, not succumbing to the easy road, and someday whether anyone supports it or not, this baby, so preciously protected, nurtured with transparency, integrity, grassroots support, respect for all tribes, respect for humanity, is going to be the revolution.

These campaigns are more than just about winning or losing the elections.

veritas,

I could be forgiven for thinking you are talking about Thirdway.  Thirdway is idealist and hopeless.  No fault of their own.  Choosing between Jubilant and CORD is a matter of tribal loyalty.  There is no higher calling behind the decision.  That is Kenya today.  It shows little sign of changing in the foreseeable future.  I hope I am mistaken though.

CORD is a marriage convenience for purposes of capturing power.  Change?  What change do they propose?  The faces and tribes of the looters?

To put it another way, Kalonzo will not hesitate to bolt from CORD if he is promised Jubilant backing for high office.  Same thing with Raila.  The clean Kenyan politician, you can count on one hand.  Raila is not one of those.
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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2016, 07:26:04 PM »
MoonKi

I think you are refusing to grant CORD its dues while lambasting it. CORD has been on the streets to force the recalcitrant and anti-people Uhuru government to agree to talks to reform the IEBC. It is only with a new IEBC free of the current contaminated individuals (among other things) that can produce reliable statistics. Note the following:

1. The IEBC is by law required to provide for continuous registration. That has not been happening uniformly and we now want it changed so all Kenyans have equal access
2. We are pushing for all obstacles to registration to be removed (ID cards, etc)
3. CORD areas have not received as much in resources as say, Central Province. For example, there were more BVR kits in Central than Western and Nyanza (CORD strongholds). This was widely reported in the media. It is that we want corrected.
4. The statistics on existing and potential voters comes from the current IEBC. While we know from the ground that there are many youth that are not registered, using or citing IEBC data is not advisable. Your question will have to await a new commission in place after the ongoing talks.

Wonders are always good.   But if I may ask: will there be another voter registration exercise?
In fact where do you get the idea that our voters do not register.
   
There is no genetic predisposition among CORD voters not to register. The notion that they somehow "refuse" to register is wrong and should be stopped. Gerrymander is a well known tactic of those in power. Like I stated, the number of voters in Central rose dramatically in 2007 from a low of 2002. Then in 2013 the number of voters actually fell. It is definitely rising in 2017 unless stopped.

The reason is simple: Kibaki inflated it in 2007. In 2013 the 2 million votes were spread around the country and transferred at will to avoid the over 100% scandal in Nyeri.
 
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Perhaps I am wrong.   Since you seem to be possessed of the facts, let us start there:

(1) How many eligible voters are to be found in CORD strongholds?

(2) Of those, how many are registered?
Addressed in the opening statement (above)

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Also, earlier you wrote that:
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However I agree that more money should be directed at voter registration and education. CORD is lagging behind in that.

Where did you get  that "idea", which could have helped me with  the one whose source you have inquired about?   (That was just a couple of days ago.   Is CORD no longer "lagging behind"?)


Let us agree on one thing: CORD does not register voters. That remains the work of the IEBC. CORD can mobilize voters to register. I stated that we have not done as much. What I did not say is that other parties have also not done better. What we have is the IEBC and the agencies charged with issuance of ID cards being used by Uhuru Kenyatta to tilt the balance. The IEBC is responsible for voter education however we have seen only mediocrity in the past. My reference is not only on this cycle or election but for all time. Kenyans need to be educated so ^for example they reject electoral bribery, whether dressed as Projects or "Kutenga pesa" or harambee.
 
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Explain the discrepancy between the registered voters totals in Central between 2007 and 2013. Was there an epidemic over there that was not publicized?
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I can't comment in detail, since I don't know the magnitude of the "discrepancy".  But possibilities that come to mind are that some people who did not register in 2007 did so in 2013, some people who were not of age in 2007 came of age by 2013, some people who were chucked out of the Rift Valley during the PEV ended up in Central, etc. We will have a better discussion if you provide the numbers involved in this "inflation", where they are located, etc.
The data for 2007 appears to have miraculously vanished from the net since the last time I referred to it. But you can have the 2002 figures. These rise dramatically in 2007 before dropping in 2013. Once I bring out the other figures you will notice that your speculative explanation above is best contrary.

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2002 - CENTRAL PROVINCE
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Registered voters:                    1,566,019
Votes counted:                          910,454 (58.1)

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Re: To Simanova, For Raila
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2016, 07:29:13 PM »
The only marriage of convenience for capturing power is the product of a donkey and a horse called Jubilee. I was told the offspring cannot give birth to any sort of animal.

Ruto has nothing in common with Uhuru other than the two being war lords that slaughtered each others people.
Thanks for the updates Simanova.

For ODM it's never been about power for the sake of power. Sure they can sit back and play the same game TNA/URP are playing.. underhanded deals, assigning officials, pay the asians, the ECK, the courts, ask for international help, no grassroots initiatives just like Kibaki and his NO election campaign strategy who still got away with stealing the presidency.

For ODM, they have a higher calling. They need to stay true to that. A change which involves all Kenyans, like a baby kicking to get out of it's mummy's tummy. But not just that, a higher calling that'll one day save the world.

What we are witnessing is historical and have been for the past decade. A mother pushing persistently against all odds, all corruption, all threats, all risks, all evil, ferociously pushing against the old guard, not falling for the ruse, not succumbing to the easy road, and someday whether anyone supports it or not, this baby, so preciously protected, nurtured with transparency, integrity, grassroots support, respect for all tribes, respect for humanity, is going to be the revolution.

These campaigns are more than just about winning or losing the elections.

veritas,

I could be forgiven for thinking you are talking about Thirdway.  Thirdway is idealist and hopeless.  No fault of their own.  Choosing between Jubilant and CORD is a matter of tribal loyalty.  There is no higher calling behind the decision.  That is Kenya today.  It shows little sign of changing in the foreseeable future.  I hope I am mistaken though.

CORD is a marriage convenience for purposes of capturing power.  Change?  What change do they propose?  The faces and tribes of the looters?

To put it another way, Kalonzo will not hesitate to bolt from CORD if he is promised Jubilant backing for high office.  Same thing with Raila.  The clean Kenyan politician, you can count on one hand.  Raila is not one of those.