Australia is wrong to prosecute Esther Arunga

[Kababe]

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The way I see it, there were two victims in that saga: the mother and the little boy. It does no one any good to prosecute a victim of what must have been unimaginable mental, emotional and physical abuse for 4/5 years. Victims of prolonged abuse are psychologically broken down and isolated. They cannot stand up to their abuser. If Esther did not physically harm her boy then she should be counselled, not incarcerated. She already served her term living with that mad man for 4-5 years enduring only-God-knows-what.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The way I see it, there were two victims in that saga: the mother and the little boy. It does no one any good to prosecute a victim of what must have been unimaginable mental, emotional and physical abuse for 4/5 years. Victims of prolonged abuse are psychologically broken down and isolated. They cannot stand up to their abuser. If Esther did not physically harm her boy then she should be counselled, not incarcerated. She already served her term living with that mad man for 4-5 years enduring only-God-knows-what.

Kadame,

I also think Esther is a victim on some level.  Yet she is also an accessory from the little information I have on this case.  She initially covered up for the husband with lies.  Then changed the story. 

Maybe it will emerge that she did it because she was completely terrified of him.  Only changing when she felt sure he is under some else's control.

[Kababe]

Termi, victims dont just snap out of the hold of the abuser the very moment they are separated. It was perhaps the time apart that served to loosen the hold he had over her that eventually allowed her to speak the truth. Someone said this was a man who would lock her up for a whole day. He had managed to completely isolate her from any social support for so long. Looking at what he did to his own son and even the picture of Esther standing still while he killed their son, there is no doubt she was under his complete control and could do nothing against him.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Termi, victims dont just snap out of the hold of the abuser the very moment they are separated. It was perhaps the time apart that served to loosen the hold he had over her that eventually allowed her to speak the truth. Someone said this was a man who would lock her up for a whole day. He had managed to completely isolate her from any social support for so long. Looking at what he did to his own son and even the picture of Esther standing still while he killed their son, there is no doubt she was under his complete control and could do nothing against him.

I don't doubt Quincy's manipulative abilities.  Yet, to be fair.  We have only heard her side of the story.  That Quincy called on demons to stop Bill Gates from using his own for experiments like he did in Guatemala.  It could be that both of them occupy a not particularly run of the mill universe.  Reinforcing each other's sickness.

[Logan]

I don't think the comment should be "wrong to prosecute", but instead say "deserves a lesser charge"..

We can proceed by saying let the law take its cause so that all information necessary can then be gathered to definitively declare her role in the saga. Just exonerating victims of domestic abuse per se is not valid when in many cases they end up endangering the innocent, like that little kid!

She could have stopped this little boy from enduring the pain that led to his demise...

[vooke]

kadame,
So far the only thing we know is that Quincy attempted exorcism on the kid. Is there ANY evidence of past /recurring abuse or this was a one-off thing where they both participated?

[Omollo]

There isn't enough information to make authoritative prescriptive judgments on this matter. We have heard third party rumor via the media and perhaps through leaks by policemen. It has been one-sided so far.

Where is the evidence of abuse - leave alone for 4 years? This is conjecture and at worst verandah talk and rumor mongering. Perhaps qualifies for gossip.

[Native Son]

Esther lied and covered up for this goon.

That is why she was in the can.

I think she was a victim too but she first needs to be evaluated-mentally and emotionally.

[Kichwa Mbaya]

I have no idea what Kababe is smoking but the prosecutors job is to protect the life of the people under her jurisdiction and deter crime by prosecuting anybody violating the criminal codes to the full extent of the law. Miss Arunga should hire an attorney or get  a court appointed attorney to mount a defense for her which may include "victimhood" if  such defense is available.  The principle victim here is the dead boy and that should be the focus of the prosecutor and not the possible defenses of those who killed the boy.  In most jurisdiction, if you are responsible for a minor and the minor is in harms way, failure to put that minor out of harms way is a crime.  Most parents will die for their children.  Arunga owes the public an explanation of what she did to save her child.  Did she throw herself between the child and the blows the demented father was delivering?  Did she try to call for help?  If so why not?  Kababe was not there and I will not accept her claims that Arunga was a victim too. How the hell does Kababe know.  Each and every case must be treated individually. Maybe Timberlake was the victim and Arunga was calling the shorts.  Let the truth come out during a trial.  If she was a victim then fine but let us not assume that women are always victims.

[bryan275]

Kadame,

One thing we Kenyans don't truly appreciate how serious a crime perverting the course of justice is.  Perhaps this is due to the poor examples we've experienced in the last fifty years.

Unless it is clinically confirmed that Esther has legitimate psychological issues, she'll face the full force of the law.

Obstructing investigations is deadly serious. 

[veritas]

Australia follows due process. This hasn't even made primetime news yet.

[Kababe]

Ati Esther calling the shots? Esther was a regular chick doing very well for herself before she met Hellon and this thug. Then she quit her job out of the blue, dumped her family and fiance and ran off with this man, her friends all saw her get in the trap and tried to stage interventions severally but wapi, it was too late. The idea that it was Quincy under Esther's control is a joke.

[Kababe]

Termi, victims dont just snap out of the hold of the abuser the very moment they are separated. It was perhaps the time apart that served to loosen the hold he had over her that eventually allowed her to speak the truth. Someone said this was a man who would lock her up for a whole day. He had managed to completely isolate her from any social support for so long. Looking at what he did to his own son and even the picture of Esther standing still while he killed their son, there is no doubt she was under his complete control and could do nothing against him.

I don't doubt Quincy's manipulative abilities.  Yet, to be fair.  We have only heard her side of the story.  That Quincy called on demons to stop Bill Gates from using his own for experiments like he did in Guatemala.  It could be that both of them occupy a not particularly run of the mill universe.  Reinforcing each other's sickness.

Lol! A queer universe indeed, where three-year-olds get possessed, and by billionaires at that-not even demons, and the way to get them tycoons out is to go all Bruce Lee on the kid. You're right, it could possibly be that Esther was nuts herself, and also heard Bill Gates voice in her baby, yet the baby tried to hide behind her legs, he must've felt safer with her than him. This story is classic. But there must be a reason Quincy is charged with murder and not Esther, there must be some other evidence besides her story that points in that direction. Probably another reason she came clean.

[RV Pundit]

You've nailed it. Unless there is element of mental illness..Arunga can argue victimhood as mitigation in her sentencing.

I have no idea what Kababe is smoking but the prosecutors job is to protect the life of the people under her jurisdiction and deter crime by prosecuting anybody violating the criminal codes to the full extent of the law. Miss Arunga should hire an attorney or get  a court appointed attorney to mount a defense for her which may include "victimhood" if  such defense is available.  The principle victim here is the dead boy and that should be the focus of the prosecutor and not the possible defenses of those who killed the boy.  In most jurisdiction, if you are responsible for a minor and the minor is in harms way, failure to put that minor out of harms way is a crime.  Most parents will die for their children.  Arunga owes the public an explanation of what she did to save her child.  Did she throw herself between the child and the blows the demented father was delivering?  Did she try to call for help?  If so why not?  Kababe was not there and I will not accept her claims that Arunga was a victim too. How the hell does Kababe know.  Each and every case must be treated individually. Maybe Timberlake was the victim and Arunga was calling the shorts.  Let the truth come out during a trial.  If she was a victim then fine but let us not assume that women are always victims.

[Omollo]

yet the baby tried to hide behind her legs, he must've felt safer with her than him. This story is classic. But there must be a reason Quincy is charged with murder and not Esther, there must be some other evidence besides her story. Probably one another reason she came clean?

That is Esther Arunga's uncorroborated claim. Esther is charged with Accessory to Murder. These charges could change in either direction, so again there isn't enough information to support speculative accusations.

[Kababe]

kadame,
So far the only thing we know is that Quincy attempted exorcism on the kid. Is there ANY evidence of past /recurring abuse or this was a one-off thing where they both participated?

vooke, no way this was a one-off thing. People dont just get up one morning and decide Bill Gates is in their child and needs to be taken out Jackie Chan style.

[vooke]

Arunga was once admitted to a mental hospital. Hellon thinks it was unwarranted. Her parents thought otherwise. She sued them. She may as well have been a whacko hiding behind a pretty face. The question really is, did she stand there paralyzed by fear as the kid was being killed or did she cheer on? I think she did

[vooke]

I just find it hard to see Esther as passive over the whole episode(s). If I said they participated in the exorcism together, what would be your objection? Her safest bet is to paint herself as a prisoner of the maniac otherwise she will be canned as well

kadame,
So far the only thing we know is that Quincy attempted exorcism on the kid. Is there ANY evidence of past /recurring abuse or this was a one-off thing where they both participated?

vooke, no way this was a one-off thing. People dont just get up one morning and decide Bill Gates is in their child and needs to be taken out Jackie Chan style.

[Omollo]

She has been in uchawi together with him all along:

Police said Sinclair's initial post mortem results were not consistent with a fall down the stairs. He had suffered internal injuries, bruising to his arms and torso. He also had a number of other injuries Mrs Timberlake said were caused by traditional Kenyan healing techniques prior to June 18.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/quincy-timberlake-tried-to-rid-son-of-demons-court-20140912-10fwh8.html#ixzz3DNtuDHza

[vooke]

That would have to be the negro version of psychic surgery common in Western and Nyanza

She has been in uchawi together with him all along:

Police said Sinclair's initial post mortem results were not consistent with a fall down the stairs. He had suffered internal injuries, bruising to his arms and torso. He also had a number of other injuries Mrs Timberlake said were caused by traditional Kenyan healing techniques prior to June 18.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/quincy-timberlake-tried-to-rid-son-of-demons-court-20140912-10fwh8.html#ixzz3DNtuDHza