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Offline Georgesoros

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It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« on: March 15, 2016, 02:15:49 PM »
Crime and punishment is meant for the poor in Kenya.

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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 02:34:21 PM »
Isn't that the way worldwide; chicken thieves cannot afford legal services and most just plead guilty, get down with their jail term and move on.

This is more a structural problem that judiciary need to address by allowing more free bails/bonds, more free legal aid, more lenient and proportional sentecing etc.

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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 03:24:06 PM »
Isn't that the way worldwide; chicken thieves cannot afford legal services and most just plead guilty, get down with their jail term and move on.

This is more a structural problem that judiciary need to address by allowing more free bails/bonds, more free legal aid, more lenient and proportional sentecing etc.

So if Madoff were Kenyan, he would be languishing in jail or would he be PORK?

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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 04:14:03 PM »
Isn't that the way worldwide; chicken thieves cannot afford legal services and most just plead guilty, get down with their jail term and move on.

This is more a structural problem that judiciary need to address by allowing more free bails/bonds, more free legal aid, more lenient and proportional sentecing etc.

So if Madoff were Kenyan, he would be languishing in jail or would he be PORK?
Best case he'd be in State House; with Ken Lay as Chief of staff.  Worst case his case would be lost somewhere in a heap in a Kenyan court.
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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 05:05:06 PM »
and The Grand Mullah as his lawyer  busy pulling strings along the corridors of (in)justice.

Best case he'd be in State House; with Ken Lay as Chief of staff.  Worst case his case would be lost somewhere in a heap in a Kenyan court.

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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 06:49:39 PM »
and The Grand Mullah as his lawyer  busy pulling strings along the corridors of (in)justice.

Best case he'd be in State House; with Ken Lay as Chief of staff.  Worst case his case would be lost somewhere in a heap in a Kenyan court.
But far more likely, Madoff would be doing circuits advising youth on how to make clean money.  A rich man's Chris Kirubi.

Katwa Kigen, mentioned prominently in an ongoing probe against Tunoi, lands a Presidential appointment.  There is not a hint of a vague suggestion that he could be disbarred, let alone face criminal charges.  This is an LSK issue I believe.  The problem is not limited to government.
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Ruto's lawyer Katwa Kigen was appointed unclaimed assets authority chairman for three years and former Police Commissioner Mathew Iteere the Nyayo Tea Zones development authority chairman.
 
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/03/11/uhuru-appoints-ex-minister-franklin-bett-to-afc-katwa-kigen-mathew_c1311429

I believe Chris Okemo, KPL thief, is also happily employed at the President's discretion.  Nobody as far as I can tell has forced or tied kamwana's hands in both cases.

The wealthy definitely enjoy advantages in the administration of justice everywhere, but it is not the same as lawlessness and impunity.
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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2016, 07:23:04 PM »
50yrs and going still a "structural problem"?
Ngilu's case has not even started, three years after she was fired. She will die before the case starts. Golden berg i guess is history 30 soothing yrs.
Its the commitment to law and order that is lacking, nothing else.
This will not happen in Tanzania!!


Isn't that the way worldwide; chicken thieves cannot afford legal services and most just plead guilty, get down with their jail term and move on.

This is more a structural problem that judiciary need to address by allowing more free bails/bonds, more free legal aid, more lenient and proportional sentecing etc.

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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2016, 02:56:57 PM »
globally the issue of 'justice' is a structural problem; in the US Blacks are crying about how their lives matter too
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Re: It Hi Five for looters, while chicken stealers go to jail
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2016, 11:44:09 AM »
50yrs and going still a "structural problem"?
Ngilu's case has not even started, three years after she was fired. She will die before the case starts. Golden berg i guess is history 30 soothing yrs.
Its the commitment to law and order that is lacking, nothing else.
This will not happen in Tanzania!!

If the Arab spring failure has taught us one thing, one thing only, is that Magufuli, as much as his intentions are commendable, will unfortunately fail horribly. Despite trending hashtags like #whatwouldmagufulido, Magufuli is, in my opinion, slowly becoming like Kibaki after 2002. I hope I'm wrong.

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Democratic transition, it turns out, isn't about who you can overthrow or who you replace them with. It's about whether or how you can change the vast network of institutions underneath that person.

If you don't make those institutions work - and often, by the dictator's deliberate design, you simply can't - then your revolution is doomed. No matter how many times you topple the dictator, no matter how pure and good your protesters are, it won't be enough. That's the real lesson of the Arab Spring - and it's important precisely because it's not as exciting or emotionally satisfying as the good-versus-evil story we prefer to tell.

http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/the-unsexy-truth-as-to-why-the-arab-spring-failed

globally the issue of 'justice' is a structural problem; in the US Blacks are crying about how their lives matter too

In Kenya, it could be considered a structural problem if you're in the lower class.

For the Kenyan elites, it's by design.