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Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« on: September 11, 2014, 11:51:44 PM »
The latest is the Nandi governor. He has practically told Uhuru he is not a PC or DC and that he was elected by people.

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http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000134548/nandi-governor-mcas-back-push-for-referendum
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000134501/raila-back-to-coast-as-governors-launch-signature-collection
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000134287/governors-vow-to-carry-on-with-referendum
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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 11:12:56 AM »
In my view most governors will support this referendum in order to get more funds to the counties. This may change if the national government quickly announces a reasonably high percentage of funds to go to counties.

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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 12:59:34 PM »
In my view most governors will support this referendum in order to get more funds to the counties. This may change if the national government quickly announces a reasonably high percentage of funds to go to counties.
It is too late. Any announcement would be met with doubts and will be seen as a ploy to avoid legally specifying the percentage. They have tried that game before by LYING that in fact they are giving 40% already. They blew that opportunity with the lies. How will they now explain the "new" increment when they have been insisting it has been done?
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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 04:46:22 PM »
2/3 of kenya support devolution according to Synovvate. UhuRuto are guaranteed to fail on this.

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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 05:37:17 PM »
2/3 of kenya support devolution according to Synovvate. UhuRuto are guaranteed to fail on this.
I think they will go down howling. Losing 45% of the budget and remaining with 55% is no joke. Most corrupt government rob the poor and feed the corrupt class led by the military, civil service and of course the political class of national demagogues. The reduction would decimate the coffers and call for a rethink.

In the rethink, the military would not share its loot and will want to continue increasing its budget as pressure from other militaries and the international military-industrial corruption cartels apply more pressure.

I see an chink and that is borrowing to finance huge "national" projects. Unless this is curbed by placing any debts within the 55% I see more mortgaging of your daughter's future to the Chinese.
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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 05:43:36 PM »
They can give counties more power to go with more money.

For instance counties want a say in security and education.

National gov if it was reasonable would welcome such help with open arms.

Counties can be allowed to deal with chicken thieves,traffic offenses and 90% of pretty useless petty crimes that bogs down the National Gov...while National gov deal with serious crimes. National gov should allow counties to deal with any petty offence whose maximum imprisonment is six months. Counties can then hire NYS graduates armed with sticks and batons to go on arresting traffic offenders, chicken thieves and such of crimes that bogs down our police and AP...given already county gov are responsible for arresting those who flout by-laws including drugs, alcohol,casinos and copyright offenses.

That should leave National Police services dealing with serious crimes such as homicide,carjacking,rape, murder,corruption,terrorism and international crimes.

In Education sector...ECDE is devolved..National Gov should consider devolving school equipments and management of schools (buildings and programs) to counties..then TSC can manage exams...Min of education can set policy...and KNEC can administer exams.

What is lacking is just common sense and genuine commitment...national gov...has failed since 1963 in many areas..they should welcome counties offer to help...while ensuring the job is done.


I think they will go down howling. Losing 45% of the budget and remaining with 55% is no joke. Most corrupt government rob the poor and feed the corrupt class led by the military, civil service and of course the political class of national demagogues. The reduction would decimate the coffers and call for a rethink.

In the rethink, the military would not share its loot and will want to continue increasing its budget as pressure from other militaries and the international military-industrial corruption cartels apply more pressure.

I see an chink and that is borrowing to finance huge "national" projects. Unless this is curbed by placing any debts within the 55% I see more mortgaging of your daughter's future to the Chinese.

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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 08:01:34 PM »
Iko shida and you are not appreciating it: They need some of these functions so that they can continue to use them to swindle the citizens. Nothing is more lucrative yet totally opaque than "security".

They are remaining with functions where they have limited access to the ongoing corruption. Is Iringo going to shale down Karangi (of his successor) for a share of the Spanish Armada loot? Is Kimemia likely to wrestle Muturi for parliamentary service contracts? You saw how Shollei was bundled out - by forces within the judiciary and the extensions of that.

I am not saying the preponderance of the National government controllers isn't such that they can squeeze water out of a dry Security Docket stone. It won't be enough to meet the demands that drive corruption. How will they raise campaign finance? How will they buy MPs in event of rent seeking bills like that of Linturi? How do they pay for by-elections? With what will they political malaya?
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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2014, 08:08:23 PM »
I am hoping UhuRuto have stolen enough to want change. I think Uhuru esp represent a window of opportunity..he doesn't really dig in..and he is a gift that will keep giving..if the right pressure is applied. I think pesa mashinani and cord are starting to apply the right pressure.

We are already doing 25 or 22 % if the right calculation is applied...we have to double that...and national gov cannot give out an extra 250B without giving up more responsibilities to county gov.

Uhuru certainly is not in this for monetary gain (clearly the old kenyatta stole enough to last many generations)...Ruto i bet is interested in stashing as much as he can...Ruto,Uhuru mens and civil servants will want to dig in to protect their turf

Iko shida and you are not appreciating it: They need some of these functions so that they can continue to use them to swindle the citizens. Nothing is more lucrative yet totally opaque than "security".

They are remaining with functions where they have limited access to the ongoing corruption. Is Iringo going to shale down Karangi (of his successor) for a share of the Spanish Armada loot? Is Kimemia likely to wrestle Muturi for parliamentary service contracts? You saw how Shollei was bundled out - by forces within the judiciary and the extensions of that.

I am not saying the preponderance of the National government controllers isn't such that they can squeeze water out of a dry Security Docket stone. It won't be enough to meet the demands that drive corruption. How will they raise campaign finance? How will they buy MPs in event of rent seeking bills like that of Linturi? How do they pay for by-elections? With what will they political malaya?

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Re: Pundit, Looks Like Jubilee Governors Revolting
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2014, 08:17:49 PM »
This money is recurrent and is part of a recurrent expenditure. There is always a special person to shake down businesses for it. At Independence it was basically Mhindi. I think Kenyatta first used J.M Kariuki then found he was dipping his hand in the candy jar and replaced him.

Moi used Kulei while Kibaki diversified, leading to Anglo Leasing. He had not perfected the art before jumping in.

Uhuru went high tech with an Eastern twist immediately. No danger of being discovered unless he is stupid enough to try to replenish family coffers in the West.

Now if you wish to get an idea of just how much is needed, then imagine you had a general election every year! I was once told of how much has to be paid out to politicians and I recoiled. This money has to come from the tax payer. Just like harambee money where the guest of honour would be "paid" usually with double his contribution.
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