The National Sunday Law

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Ellen Gould White, the goddess of Seventh Day Adventists made many bizarre claims such as Negro came from man romping chimps,Jupiter is inhabited by some tall guys, masturbation causes cancer,rheumatism....

She also tried her hand at prophecy but came out with epic fails. Despite all this, SDAs swear allegiance to her and believe her writings are as inspired as Paul's or Moses. Many ignorant people think that SDAs' distinction is sabbath keeping. It is not, their distinction is allegiance to Ellen White, the belief that her writings are inspired and thus a 'continuing source of authority'. Before baptism, one is made to declare that they believe this.

Apart from her past failed prophecies, one that stands unfulfilled is the National Sunday Law. What the hell is this?

"In this our day, many of God's servants, though innocent of wrongdoing, will be given over to suffer humiliation and abuse at the hands of those who, inspired by Satan, are filled with envy and religious bigotry. Especially will the wrath of man be aroused against those who hallow the Sabbath of the fourth commandment; and at last a universal decree will denounce these as deserving of death."

Ellen White, guided by the then Sunday Laws (ALL her predictions and writings were based on EXISTING and readily available info) predicted that the entire world will criminalize sabbath keeping and actively persecute and possibly kill sabbath keepers(SDAs). The law would also enforce Sunday as the sabbath.

While Christians are asked to expect persecution, SDAs have narrowed this to sabbath keeping. Nuff Sed our resident SDAs with all her brains is BOUND to believe this seeing it came from her inspired prophet, the only one God has used for the last 1900 years.

Just what are the odds of this law being passed in the US let alone the entire world?
Imagine forcing Muslims,atheists,LGBTs,secular-humanists to be Sunday keepers for starters. The odds are next to nil.

Where does that leave Nuff Sed and the SDA brigade? More and more disillusioned and just a few meters away from that apocalyptic cult in Laikipia who live in holes to escape nuclear radiation from a nuclear war

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Ellen Gould White, the goddess of Seventh Day Adventists made many bizarre claims such as Negro came from man romping chimps,Jupiter is inhabited by some tall guys, masturbation causes cancer,rheumatism....

Is this really true (the bold part)?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

vooke,

There are a lot of strange things you believe without being hounded daily on nipate.  Can you let Daily Bread enjoy her religious freedom without persecution?

[vooke]

Kadame,
Can you imagine that
http://www.nonegw.org/critica.shtml

You can also try to make sense of their 'explanation' for that strange claim right here;
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/amalg.html

Around that time they also believed so many crappy stuff. But I understand science is not static; we are always discovering stuff. The problem is insisting that this garbage is as inspired as Romans, and utterly despise everyone who does not buy it. With the benefit of over 150 years of science, you would expect anybody with half a brain to question the inspiration claims, lakini wapi? They instead cover up these embarassing claims

Ellen Gould White, the goddess of Seventh Day Adventists made many bizarre claims such as Negro came from man romping chimps,Jupiter is inhabited by some tall guys, masturbation causes cancer,rheumatism....

Is this really true (the bold part)?

[vooke]

Termie,
In case you noticed, it is Nuff Sed who came to church on Sunday and opened a new thread to bash whatever she saw there. I felt it would have been very rude ignoring her so I responded

vooke,

There are a lot of strange things you believe without being hounded daily on nipate.  Can you let Daily Bread enjoy her religious freedom without persecution?

[vooke]

kadame,
Ever heard of 'Dies Domini'?
Some communication from Catholicism/Papacy appeared to validate EGW prophecies of National Sunday Law. Lakini wapi? You have no idea the extremes SDAs go to 'prove' that EGW is inspired

Read all about their shenanigans here

I don't understand their fixation with Catholicism; it almost a pilar of their faith to hate Catholicism

The truth is that over the last century the Seventh-day Adventists have never produced any substantial evidence that Christian leaders intend to enforce Sunday observance on Sabbatarian Christians. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that Congress has no intention of passing any Sunday laws any time in the foreseeable future. For example, notice what the former United States House majority leader, Dick Armey wrote:

"I have not heard of any legislation in Congress which would establish a national blue law setting aside Sunday as a national day of worship."5

The only evidence Adventists have is the behavior of the Catholic church in the past. Their theory is that the Catholic church will once again regain supremacy in the world and will re-institute the inquisition and other religious persecutions of the past.

After spending recent centuries apologizing for its past errors it is difficult imagining the Catholic church re-instituting the very institutions it now admits were wrong. It is also difficult imagining the world community sitting idly by and letting the Vatican murder all the Sabbath-keepers in the world. What would Catholicism possibly hope to gain by killing all the Sabbath-keepers in the world? If they ever were to attempt such an outrageous act, they would be regarded as worse than Hitler, whom the entire world loathes. Would that be a wise thing for the Catholic church to do? Would that make them popular? Far from it! If they ever attempted such an act the whole world would probably rise up against them and destroy them just as it rose up and destroyed Hitler.

All the Adventist speculative talk of Catholicism regaining control of the world is amusing. For centuries the Catholic church has been on a steady decline of power. The church is losing ground in many places throughout the world. Pentecostal and other Protestant churches, including Seventh-day Adventists, have made tremendous strides in winning converts in the once Catholic strongholds of Central and South America. If the conversions continue at present rates, the Catholic Church will soon become a minority in a number of these countries. In Europe the people are, for the most part, living in a secular, post-Christian world. Christianity in general and the Catholic Church in particular no longer have any relevance for many Europeans. The Catholic Church has been struggling financially. It has been having difficulty attracting new priests and nuns. The Catholic Church has even gone so far as to meet with its one-time enemy--the Lutheran church--in order to redefine its teaching on salvation in order make peace with the Lutherans. The Catholic church is also facing difficulties with sexual misconduct of priests, priests who publicly differ from the papal policies, and internal strife on a number of issues, such as the ordination of female priests. Rather than being a super-power poised to take control of the world and enforce Sunday observance upon everyone, Catholicism is a declining church, struggling to survive in a world that no longer grasps its relevance.

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Nuff Sed,
Are you a prisoner of FEAR?

Is this teaching dangerous?

After considering all of the evidence presented, some might say that while it is true that a Sunday law appears extremely unlikely, what is the danger of believing such a teaching? What harm could possibly come from it? The truth is that it is always harmful to believe a falsehood about Bible prophecy. Adventists, of all the people on the earth, should be able to understand how dangerous it is! Look what happened in 1844! Perhaps as many as 50,000 people were deluded by a fanatical leader to believe that Christ was returning in 1844. That delusion led to financial ruin, destruction of families, bitter disappointment, and in a few instances, even suicide. Is it dangerous to believe a false teaching? Was it dangerous for the Branch Davidians of Waco, Texas, to believe the misguided teachings of leader David Koresh?

Teachings such as the National Sunday law are deceptive. They take the focus off of the real issues of Christianity, and the real persecutions that are taking place around the world. Instead, they focus the attention on future events that are unlikely to ever take place. While other Christians are following Christ's command to take the gospel into all the world, some Adventists spend all their time and effort trying to convince other Christians that a Sunday law is going to be passed and they need to start keeping the Sabbath in order to be one of the remnant that is saved when Christ returns. One Adventist pastor spends his time traveling around the world, visiting Adventist churches in order to warn people about the coming Sunday laws. This type of activity is not only a waste of time and effort, but it is also direct disobedience to Christ who commanded Christians to take the "good news" of salvation--not the "bad news" of fear--into all the world.

Teachings such as the National Sunday law are dangerous. Since Adventists know that a Sunday law will be passed before Jesus returns, there is always the danger that some will delay preparing their hearts for Christ's return because they think to themselves, "Well, the Sunday law is still years away, so I do not have to worry yet about getting my life in harmony with God's pattern right now." Humans have a tendency to procrastinate. Adventists are being lulled to sleep by a false sense of security. While they are putting Christ's return years into the future after a National Sunday Law is passed by Congress, Christ may decide to return far sooner than they expected.

Teachings such as the National Sunday law are divisive. Rather than promote love and understanding between those of different faiths, these teachings create fear and suspicion. How can an Adventist have fellowship with a Sunday-keeper whom they suspect is secretly planning to pass laws to torture and kill them?

The National Sunday Law serves only one purpose. It generates fear. No cult can survive long without fear. The time has come for Adventists to face the facts and admit that a National Sunday Law is no longer feasible or even meaningful. It is time for them to turn away from this unscriptural teaching and turn away from fear.It is time for Adventists to stop using fear tactics to persuade people to join their church.  Many people become Sabbath-keepers for reasons other than fear. Giving up the Sunday law teaching does not mean Adventists must give up their Sabbath or any of their other distinctive teachings. It simply means that they are willing to take a second look at Bible prophecy and admit that perhaps the future may not unfold in the exact manner that their pioneers had predicted. It is time for Adventists to stop preaching fear and join wholeheartedly with their Sunday-keeping brothers and sisters in fulfilling Christ's great commission to take the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ into all the world.

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what is your IQ?
whether repudiated or not, there is ZERO......SUBZERO power to enforce them. Are they even in force in Vatican?

We command all Christians Rome has not repudiated these edicts. And all that the fake pastor can ask is whether Nuffsed has fear.

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Do you think force is the only means by which religious bigotry and persecution works? Hint: Rome created a fake pastor on nipate without use force. Through that means, Sunday worship became his goddess and EGW his endless nightmare. Most fake pastors fear Rome more than they fear God.

what is your IQ?
whether repudiated or not, there is ZERO......SUBZERO power to enforce them. Are they even in force in Vatican?

We command all Christians Rome has not repudiated these edicts. And all that the fake pastor can ask is whether Nuffsed has fear.

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Here is bigotry defined.

2. Adventists Are Exclusive

Some unknown soul described it this way:

"We walked into the New Jerusalem and soon we noticed a small area that had large, thick walls surrounding it. We asked our angel to tell us who was living in that section. The angel replied, 'Shhhh...the Seventh-day Adventists are in there. They think they are the only ones in the city.'"

Adventism is a very exclusive religion. They see themselves as the "remnant", the one and only group of Christians who have remained loyal to God, His Fourth Commandment, and His prophet Ellen White. Adventists have the "truth" and all other Christian churches are "apostate" and under "strong delusion".

When I was growing up, I was advised not to associate with people of other religions because I should not be around their contaminating influence. Later in life, after I left the Adventist Church, all my Adventist friends distanced themselves from me to the point where we rarely talked.

Adventists tend to congregate together in "Adventist ghettos". A good example of such is Keene, Texas, a city whose businesses close on Saturday, and whose supermarket carries a wide variety of vege-meats. Adventists tend to associate with one another and do business with each other. Here is the idealistic Adventist life-cycle:

Adventist babies are born in Adventist hospitals.
Adventist children are sent to Adventist schools to learn with other Adventist children.
If they get sick, they are taken to Adventist doctors or Adventist health-care institutions.
They go to summer camp at Adventist summer camps.
The do not join Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts. Instead, they join the Adventist Pathfinder club.
They find Adventist spouses at Adventist church or at Adventist school.
After graduating from Adventist schools they go to work for Adventist institutions where their co-workers are Adventist.
Eventually they retire and go to live in Adventist retirement centers or nursing homes.
Finally, they die and are buried in Adventist cemeteries so they can be resurrected with other Adventists!

Why is that? Adventists are taught that Sunday-keepers are "Babylon" or the "daughters of Babylon". They are taught that Sunday-keepers are going to receive the Mark of the Beast, and that the Sabbath is the great separating wall between God's true remnant people and the deceived, lost world.

Perhaps Ellen White stated it best when she said:

"...Satan has taken full possession of the [non-Adventist] Churches" and even their prayers are an "abomination" to God.3

"Let those who would be the children of God take heed to the command, 'Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing.' Association with worldly-minded men and women dims the spiritual perception; for it is in direct disobedience to the plain injunctions of the word of God. In worldly society an earthly influence is at work, an atmosphere of poisonous miasma is there which is disastrous to personal piety."4

What a scary thought! Who would want to be infected with "poisonous miasma" by associating with the "lost"? After all, it might damage my "character perfection" if I were to associate with non-Adventists!

When you start withdrawing from people because you view them as "lost" or "apostates", that is a dangerous sign. This "holier-than-thou" attitude is the earmark of pharisiacal hypocrisy and is the antithesis of Christ's attitude toward others. Christ was known as a friend of sinners.

Since Adventists regard all other religions, including Christian ones, as being in the possession of Satan, they endeavor to win converts from other religions. In fact, most of their converts come from other Christian religions. SDA evangelist Dan O'Ffill, in a book endorsed by the SDA North American Division president, shares how Seventh-day Adventists have an exclusive hold upon the truth:

"The entire world is deceived today. Truth has been covered up with error. The Protestant churches have accepted the teaching of the antichrist... And so most [non-SDA] church members are in mortal danger, but don't know it. ...the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the world's last hope for rescue..."5
O'Ffill goes on in his 126-page book to describe methods of witnessing to bring "born-again Christians" into the SDA sect, including "special ways to reach Catholics" and methods to "appeal to members of all Protestant denominations."6 Hence, Adventists teach that they alone have the truth and it is their mission to share their truth with all those poor non-Adventist Christians who are "deceived" having "accepted the teaching of antichrist."

I have a book called Studying Together, written by SDA tele-evangelist Mark Finley (a wonderful man whom I've met) and his book spends some 86 pages teaching Adventists how to reach other religions, primarily Christian ones. The introduction explains that this large section was written so that Adventists can "share Jesus and His truth" with non-Adventists7. This implies that other Christians do not know Jesus nor His "truth". Here are the groups Elder Finley believes Adventists need to be sharing "Jesus and His truth" with:

Baptists
Non-denominational Bible Churches
Buddhists
Catholics
Christian Scientists
Churches of Christ
Episcopalians
Hindus
Islam
Jehovah's Witnesses
Jews
Lutherans
Methodists
Mormons
Nazarenes
Pentecostals
Presbyterians
Radio Church of God
Secularists
Former Seventh-day Adventists
Seventh Day Baptists
You will notice that most of the groups mentioned above are other Christian denominations, and a couple are even Sabbath-keeping ones. The SDA Church has a big missionary effort and their evangelists and missionaries are active in many nations around the world, but unlike many Christian churches, a large part of the SDA effort is directed not so much at the unsaved, but rather at other Christians.

http://www.nonsda.org/study12.shtml

It is SDA that obsess with worship days not Christians

Do you think force is the only means by which religious bigotry and persecution works? Hint: Rome created a fake pastor on nipate without use force. Through that means, Sunday worship became his goddess and EGW his endless nightmare. Most fake pastors fear Rome more than they fear God.

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You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.

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It is sheer lunacy to call EVERYONE false,apostate,drunk with Babylon wine for seeing through EGW retarded BS

You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.

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Really? Have you seen what Voke has called EG White and SDA on this forum lately? All those words used in describing apostate churches are biblical. Yours (like heretic, lunatic, retarded, SDA sewers.....) sound like they are from Rome's keyboards.

It is sheer lunacy to call EVERYONE false,apostate,drunk with Babylon wine for seeing through EGW retarded BS

You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.

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Mumu,
The Devil or Satan is in the Bible too. Is it easier on your ears if I called you Satan seeing it is Biblical?

Apostasy according to SDA is rejecting EGW. That's madness

Really? Have you seen what Voke has called EG White and SDA on this forum lately? All those words used in describing apostate churches are biblical. Yours (like heretic, lunatic, retarded, SDA sewers.....) sound like they are from Rome's keyboards.

It is sheer lunacy to call EVERYONE false,apostate,drunk with Babylon wine for seeing through EGW retarded BS

You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.

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Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

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1 John 4:1King James Version (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1 Timothy 4:1-2King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

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Let's test the mad woman who taught you that you descended from mountain gorillas, and that Jupiter has 3 moons

http://www.nonsda.org/egw/egw35.shtml

Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

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To summarize, the United States will:

Persecute those who do not obey its religious laws
Force the world to worship the pope (whom they refer to as the Antichrist)
Legislate laws supporint the papacy
Will influence the world to impose a universal death sentence on Sabbath keepers

http://www.amazingfiction.org/false-prophet-usa.shtml

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Here is how Roman Catholic Church created Islam;