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Ruto Reminds Me of Arab Dictators (with some differences)
« on: December 22, 2024, 10:50:59 PM »
There's a fascinating piece in the Financial Times of Bashar Al-Assad's last days in Syria. He literally believed that he was fine until the last few hours when the Russians had to save him.

https://www.ft.com/content/747fd64e-be8b-47a1-bdae-233daccb6c48

There's also another piece in the BBC Africa about Ben Ali's final moments and his phone calls were recorded. Like Bashar, he believed he could come back to Tunisia and you can hear all his generals and intelligence guys lying to him and not telling him the truth.  I think this is happening to Ruto. These dictators are surrounded by yes men that don't tell them the truth and it leads to their delusional assessments of their countries.


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Re: Ruto Reminds Me of Arab Dictators (with some differences)
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2024, 11:00:02 PM »
If you listen to the tapes of Ben Ali...all his advisors are lying to him and are afraid to tell him the truth about what's happening.

Kenya is not as bad as Syria or Tunisia because we still have some democracy left, but what struck me is how disconnected these rulers are from their own people.

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Re: Ruto Reminds Me of Arab Dictators (with some differences)
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2024, 11:43:28 PM »
Kenya is different because of nations within them. Kikuyu nation, Kalenjin nation, Luo nation, etc. Tribal cohesion forces are stronger than Gorilla Glue going centuries, and there is nothing to change anytime soon. That is why talking to Raila is like talking to 5 million LUOs. In a society like Kenya, it is hard to remove a leader other than through a consensus-like election. That is also why Moi survived 20 years while winning the last two elections, mostly by manipulating tribal kingpins and aligning the security apparatus to deal with those plotting coups. Ruto thought Kenya had improved  for the better, but he had to revert back to what Moi, Kibaki, and Uhuru did to secure space to govern in peace. He is streamlining his security to ensure a coup like we did recently doesn't occur again!
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Re: Ruto Reminds Me of Arab Dictators (with some differences)
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2024, 02:20:44 AM »
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Ruto thought Kenya had improved  for the better, but he had to revert back to what Moi, Kibaki, and Uhuru did to secure space to govern in peace.

Syria is tribal as well (you have the alwaties, the Druze, christians, sunnis' shiite's, the kurds, etc) So, we'll see how the new guy rules it with these different factions, but the moves ruto is making are not making sense to me. Why bring back a thug like kabogo who lost the election in Kiambu and was rejected by his own people? What skills does kabogo bring to the table?

Also, a thug like joho? What does he bring to the table? Ruto had a great chance to fundamentally change Kenya, but he has chosen not to. Had he brought in skilled people with integrity; highly qualified people to guide him, his approval would have gone up but he is just bringing back thugs and stealing all over the place (with his thugs).

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He is streamlining his security to ensure a coup like we did recently doesn't occur again!

You keep mentioning this, but you're not elaborating on what exactly happened.

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Re: Ruto Reminds Me of Arab Dictators (with some differences)
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2024, 08:53:41 AM »
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Ruto thought Kenya had improved  for the better, but he had to revert back to what Moi, Kibaki, and Uhuru did to secure space to govern in peace.

Syria is tribal as well (you have the alwaties, the Druze, christians, sunnis' shiite's, the kurds, etc) So, we'll see how the new guy rules it with these different factions, but the moves ruto is making are not making sense to me. Why bring back a thug like kabogo who lost the election in Kiambu and was rejected by his own people? What skills does kabogo bring to the table?

Also, a thug like joho? What does he bring to the table? Ruto had a great chance to fundamentally change Kenya, but he has chosen not to. Had he brought in skilled people with integrity; highly qualified people to guide him, his approval would have gone up but he is just bringing back thugs and stealing all over the place (with his thugs).

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He is streamlining his security to ensure a coup like we did recently doesn't occur again!

You keep mentioning this, but you're not elaborating on what exactly happened.
To accomplish big things, a wise leader has to be malleable and understand the country's political terrain with precision. Joho, for instance, as flawed as he is, controls Mombasa County and the coastal region more than anyone. The president can have him as a useful idiot to gain enough ground to govern in peace. When there is noise from everywhere, the President can be distracted, and installing his plan becomes difficult. Kabogo is more popular than the current Kiambu governor, same as the others. GEMA voted for this government, and despite the shenanigans caused by the DP ouster, their representation in government must stay intact. That is the nature of a country where tribal nations are superior to the country itself. Kibaki and Uhuru had to do the same balancing and even bring the opposition into government because without it there will be chaos and noise throughout. Before the Gen Z revolt-cum-coup, there were numerous attempts to poison the president, but when that failed, the Gen Z movement was concocted by cartels to remove the president. Most Kenyans think the Gen Z movement was organic; no, it was well organized and coordinated by a group of people who are now on the run. Most are rotting 6 feet under, but some are still on the run! Ask yourself why there was no Gen Z-type movement when things were 100x worse in 2018-2019-2020-2021-2022, but now that the economy has been stabilized, the country is moving in the right direction. Most of the people complaining that things are bad cannot pinpoint one credible corrupt scandal or economic measure that is pointing to a worsening economy. Food prices are low, energy prices are low, more Kenyans have jobs than before, the shilling is stable, and there are more exports. According to John Mbadi, Kenya's economic outlook is very good except for two things: liquidity and elevated taxation to balance the budget, and once pending bills and taxes are addressed, money circulation will start unwinding.
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Re: Ruto Reminds Me of Arab Dictators (with some differences)
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2024, 12:45:25 PM »
This point just illustrates misunderstanding of how systems work.

A day comes when sugar/cancer/HIV overwhelms the body system. Hata uende Boston clinics.

Saddam/Gaddafi/Mugabe/Assad fell in a day and people keep saying how they did so well.

A day comes when the wheels go off Man City after a treble and even the best rated manager cannot find the source of the malaise.

Museveni has captured this despotic predicament of thinking they control the aspirations of the people repeatedly indicating that the youths against his rule are the same ones who have benefitted from his education, security, stability and nutritional interventions.

Ask yourself why there was no Gen Z-type movement when things were 100x worse in 2018-2019-2020-2021-2022, but now that the economy has been stabilized, the country is moving in the right direction. Most of the people complaining that things are bad cannot pinpoint one credible corrupt scandal or economic measure that is pointing to a worsening economy. Food prices are low, energy prices are low, more Kenyans have jobs than before, the shilling is stable, and there are more exports. According to John Mbadi, Kenya's economic outlook is very good except for two things: liquidity and elevated taxation to balance the budget, and once pending bills and taxes are addressed, money circulation will start unwinding.
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Re: Ruto Reminds Me of Arab Dictators (with some differences)
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2024, 12:25:55 PM »
Even in Narco empires- the family members are IN the Evil. The benefits, the power are just irresistible till the day of reckoning.   
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine