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Dealing with pokots
« on: February 11, 2023, 09:19:09 PM »
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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2023, 09:23:11 PM »
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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2023, 09:29:49 PM »
It's. Shame

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2023, 11:31:13 PM »
Yep.  Army with equipment like RPG and what have you seems to have worked in UG.
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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2023, 11:35:48 PM »
Why are they refusing to deploy KDF?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video shows Hawk-eyed Officers trying to repulse Pokot bandits along Lodwar-Kitale Highway in Turkana South earlier today. <a href="https://t.co/g2ujnwSoFW">pic.twitter.com/g2ujnwSoFW</a></p>&mdash; #InsecurityKE (@InsecurityKE) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2023, 07:41:44 AM »
Fighting Pokot successfully would involve targeting the entire community simply because the bandits disappear into the community once they conduct an attack and simply varnish so the Pokot know you cant find them. Using the community as a safe haven.
All Pokots living in affected areas have to be considered suspect and dealt with ruthlessly.
Lets wait and see how Ruto fights them it will be interesting Pokot have actually murdered and raped fellow kalenjins marakwet tugen and elgeyo to extinction. They seem not to understand kalenjin unity.

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2023, 08:20:01 AM »
What is needed is to enclose them by creating a buffer around them.The buffer should become training grounds for nys gsu army and aps...move all these useless barracks in Nairobi there..buy land from Pokot neighbours..then convert them to military barracks.

Put military barracks in south turkana near Pokot border, one in Samburu, one in Laikipia, one in Baringo and one in Elgeyo Marakwet.

The APS, GSUs and KDF should occupy that zone with heavy equipment.

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2023, 08:23:35 AM »
You mean mass human rights violation. That will put Ruto in bad light.
Kalenjin use to attack each other except for Nandi-Kispisigis.
When Mzungu was arriving, Nandi had nearly decimated Pokots, Sabaots, and Keiyos.
Pokots turned the table on other kalenjin when they acquired guns from Uganda and South Sudan.
Otherwise, the most prolific cattle thieves were Nandis - followed by Kipsigis.

Kalenjin unity is new thing - what is very old is unity of Nandi, Kipsigis and southern Tugen (Lembus)

Fighting Pokot successfully would involve targeting the entire community simply because the bandits disappear into the community once they conduct an attack and simply varnish so the Pokot know you cant find them. Using the community as a safe haven.
All Pokots living in affected areas have to be considered suspect and dealt with ruthlessly.
Lets wait and see how Ruto fights them it will be interesting Pokot have actually murdered and raped fellow kalenjins marakwet tugen and elgeyo to extinction. They seem not to understand kalenjin unity.

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2023, 09:38:19 AM »

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2023, 01:08:14 PM »
Form seeing this clip below You can tell Pokots are fully motivated can someone please translate what they are saying

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02WxQvgZqhrpvA4JDRmkJz8sFaRdj3PyfSgsttpLF3gJpESFLtcsG59NcfUP9AHEqEl&id=100050794181317&mibextid=Nif5oz

This reminds me of how each bandit kabila have interacted with on my ranch during conflict behaves,

1)Turkana are very similar to pokot from seeing this clip Turkana dance and walking/gait including shooting is very similar to Pokot
It appears though Pokot have more serviceable rifles I could see AK and G3 interesting to know if the G3 are police or reserving sourced.

2)Samburu are more quiet and discreet in their attacks but generally overconfident but very good sharp shooters. Attack in small numbers ad opposed to Turkana who attacks in large numbers. Samburus have also good serviceable rifles.



3)Somalis ,Just like al shabab somalis fire openly without necessarily taking cover I have never understood why this whether thereis incoming fire or not they don't take cover if you are a coward you will easily run away from a somali attack coz they only stop when run out of ammunition and then what follows is you will be overun and annihilated.
When KDF was overrun in El adde,Kolbiyo and recently Lamu all indications are they crumbled under this relentless fire,thats why I say KDF are very poor tactically .

The trick with dealing with this you take cover change positions and take them down you have always before firing make sure the position you are you can quickly take cover and change location without being detected preferred modus operandi is to fire from an area with a trench  thats not visible to the bandit then as bandit returns fire you take cover as you ran/crawl or roll along the trench then come up on a different location and hit the bandits from their back or flank, usually totally unnerving to bandits they never dare come back.

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2023, 01:37:19 PM »
Pokot believe Ruto is out to finish them.
Ruto had in jubilee 1.0 send KDF and heavy police punch on them.
They are therefore putting their resistance out there.
Saying they will go down fighting.

Yes Turkana, Maasai and Somali attack in large number - frontal attack - human wave.
 If they get you on a bad day - they can devastate you.

Pokots like other kalenjin rarely do that - they plan their raids very meticulously with serious reconnaissance missions - and have sharp shooters strategically located.
They use a lot of decoy, deceptions and false moves.

I guess samburu has copied certain aspect of kalenjin fighting.

Kalenjin fighting can be described best here

"The war tactics perfected and used by the Nandi at the time were; Ambushes, exploitation of weather and terrain, use of higher grounds, morning raids, peaceful penetreation, spying, Reconnaissance, deception, misdirection and myriad of guerrilla tactics."

To beat Pokot - you must invest in intelligence.

The most valued people in kalenjin warfare are sharp shooters - the same for pokots - those are guys who are strategically placed - and will NOT MISS - they are selected after through shooting competitions.

The main squad are decoy - they will shoot aimlessly and run pretending to fall back - they will take you to where sharp shooters are waiting for you - in very tight corners - where you'll be taken out one by one.

If they are going for the raid - the warriors who take the cows and attack are not skilled - the real sharp shooters are linned up in all strategic position - mostly higher grounds - they lay waiting for a signal - if the enemy is pursuing they prepare to finish once you cross their viewpoint. Their snipers are very well trained and gifted - selected right from MTC - they will not miss you.

Form seeing this clip below You can tell Pokots are fully motivated can someone please translate what they are saying

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02WxQvgZqhrpvA4JDRmkJz8sFaRdj3PyfSgsttpLF3gJpESFLtcsG59NcfUP9AHEqEl&id=100050794181317&mibextid=Nif5oz

This reminds me of how each bandit kabila have interacted with on my ranch during conflict behaves,

1)Turkana are very similar to pokot from seeing this clip Turkana dance and walking/gait including shooting is very similar to Pokot
It appears though Pokot have more serviceable rifles I could see AK and G3 interesting to know if the G3 are police or reserving sourced.

2)Samburu are more quiet and discreet in their attacks but generally overconfident but very good sharp shooters. Attack in small numbers ad opposed to Turkana who attacks in large numbers. Samburus have also good serviceable rifles.



3)Somalis ,Just like al shabab somalis fire openly without necessarily taking cover I have never understood why this whether thereis incoming fire or not they don't take cover if you are a coward you will easily run away from a somali attack coz they only stop when run out of ammunition and then what follows is you will be overun and annihilated.
When KDF was overrun in El adde,Kolbiyo and recently Lamu all indications are they crumbled under this relentless fire,thats why I say KDF are very poor tactically .

The trick with dealing with this you take cover change positions and take them down you have always before firing make sure the position you are you can quickly take cover and change location without being detected preferred modus operandi is to fire from an area with a trench  thats not visible to the bandit then as bandit returns fire you take cover as you ran/crawl or roll along the trench then come up on a different location and hit the bandits from their back or flank, usually totally unnerving to bandits they never dare come back.

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2023, 01:27:52 PM »
How, when, why were Kipsigis and Nandi able to discard cattle rustling??
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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM »
Kipsigis - Mzungu created a 10-mile buffer around Kipsigis land - separating them from Gusii, Luos and Maasai.

The Mzungu then settled on the land. It was the only land alienated to curb cattle rustling.

Also well known cattle thieves were removed from that buffer curved from Kipsigis and given land in far interiors away from borders.
That buffer is now Nyamira district -  borabu scheme - all the way to muhoroni - most was used to plant tea (sotik tea) and sugar cane (muhoroni-miwani).
It a source of tribal border clashes as it was kipsigis land curved out - that 10 miles or 20km buffer - was later given to gusii/luos after independence by Nyachae and Jaramogi.

My own grandmother and grandfather were born in Nyamira - when my great grandfather later relocated to graze his cow on mzungu land.

In Narok - it was half a mile buffer - and kipsigis were not allowed to cross over to Narok - your cows would be consficated - and my great grandfather did lose all his cows - was paid peanuts as compensation - and died in depression.


How, when, why were Kipsigis and Nandi able to discard cattle rustling??

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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2023, 01:49:36 PM »
Nandi is bit complicated story because they fought Mzungu for 15yrs.

They basically stopped rustling to fight Mzungu - who was attacking them from all directions - with help of subdued tribes who were finally getting even with Nandi - save for Tirki/Kabras - and of course Kipsigis.

Before Mzungu came in 1890s - Nandi had ransacked Luhyas, Luo, Keiyos, Sabaots, Pokots - to restock - after rinderpest had decimated their Maasai stock (Nandi raided Maasai and drove them out from Uasin Gishu-Tranzoia in 1870s).

So by time Mzungu was coming - save for Kipisigis (whom were one people with Nandis until 1830s or about - real cousins/kinsmen) - the Nandis had terrorised western kenya - and were ready for the Brits.

When war ended - Mzungu took huge part of Nandi land as war repartition and each family was fined many cows - something like 100 cows.

Many tough Nandis seeing the reduced land - and cattle fines - took off - unhappy with British-Nandi war deal.  Some went to Kipsigis, Luhya, Uganda, Pokot and some even made their way to Tanzania.

The current Pokot cattle rustlers are mostly Nandis.

Those that remained - in Nandi- Mzungu started sports programs - athletics - because Nandis were mostly raiding just for fun of it - as sporting activity for young warriors.

 

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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2023, 02:10:24 PM »
http://cedred.org/jais/images/journal_articles/3/6/8/PDF_-_Prisca_Tanui-Too_-_The_Making_of_the_Nandi_in_Diaspora_1905-1963.pdfMany Nandi, with the knowledge and support from the colonial
government relocated to new regions including Uganda, Tanganyika, Maasai, Pokot and
Western Kenya.


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Re: Dealing with pokots
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2023, 02:13:50 PM »
The Nandi had not stopped their tradition of
raiding for cattle from neighbouring communities thus the fear that stock theft would be
rampant in Sebei.

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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2023, 02:17:07 PM »
Movement of the Nandi to Pokot
Nandi squatters from Uasin Gishu and Trans Nzoia also moved in large numbers to Pokot.
Nagulu points out that in the 1930s and 1940s; there was an infiltration of newcomers chiefly
the Sabaot, Nandi and Bukusu in Pokot district. She indicates that, the only condition for their
acceptance was a payment of 15 cattle per tax payer to the colonial government and adoption
of Pokot customs. The fact that these immigrants were willing to part with 15 cattle to be
allowed to settle in Pokot, indicates the high number of livestock squatters kept in settler
farms. It is estimated that there were over 100 Nandi in Mnagei location in Pokot District by
1947 (Nangulu, 2009: 42).
More Nandi moved to Pokot in the 1950s with their cattle. The relationship between
the Pokot and Nandi in Pokot was not smooth. Tension between them went back to the 1930s
and 1940s (Ibid: 42). The killing of two Nandi in December 1947 worsens the relationship
between the two ethnic groups, culminating in an open confrontation in 1955. The colonial
government intervened and evicted a few Nandi who were labelled as trouble makers from
Pokot district in the same year (Ibid). Nandi immigrants were looking for land to settle and
had witnessed Nandi reserve being enclosed by the Nandi who had remained there, in the
process closing them out. In Pokot land was still communally owned, however Nandi
immigrants enclosed large tracts of land and each year, they put a greater area was cultivated.
The Pokot were also realizing that they had given away their best agricultural land (Ibid). Oral
sources indicate that there were cattle raids between the two communities.
Most of the Nandi
Journal of African Interdisciplinary Studies (JAIS): ISSN 2523-6725 (online)
 October 2018 Vol 2, No. 10
who settled in Pokot were pushed back to Trans Nzoia and Uasin Gishu by the Pokot in the

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