Author Topic: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.  (Read 7710 times)

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Ammendment everywhere. All of them half thought. Outrightly stupid. Dangerous.Uncostitutional.

We need demos soon.

Offline RV Pundit

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 03:32:52 PM »
21 most dangerous laws ever in this decade.

NIS allowed to carry guns and to detain people in Nyati house..and Nyayo house...for 1 fucking year.

Time to kick this KANU regime out. Even Raila is now an option

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 03:41:11 PM »
Any govt that is willing to violate the constitution in the name something does not deserve anything. We are going back to Moi's era.

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 03:43:22 PM »
The audacity of Jubilee to return us back to Moi era is going to bring back Raila from the dead. Some of them are so much uncostitutional..they will be thrown on first challenge.
Any govt that is willing to violate the constitution in the name something does not deserve anything. We are going back to Moi's era.

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 03:48:08 PM »
Problem is, they've been killing people all over in the name of terror instead of charging them. Those who are accidentally killed are also labelled terrorists so as to avoid any investigation. How can you trust such a govt???

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2014, 04:01:45 PM »
Take some time and read about death squads in other countries. It was prevalent in Latin America in the 70s and 80s peaking towards the end of the 90s. Every one of those states eventually suffered an implosion. The monopoly of the state in EJK ends after a very short time and other (more deadly) groups join the fray and dish it to the state and its supporters. At its height you have equal killing fields. Bodies are collected in the morning only for more to be dumped at night. It will not be strange to come over 25 dead bodies on Moi avenue as you walk to work. Neither do people react nor does it attract headlines or casual mention in the media.
Problem is, they've been killing people all over in the name of terror instead of charging them. Those who are accidentally killed are also labelled terrorists so as to avoid any investigation. How can you trust such a govt???
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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2014, 04:06:07 PM »
Maanzo WDM MP start and supports with ammendment. Looking like stupidity is the mainstray in parliament.

Security of tenure for IG is CONSTITUTIONAL. ANd cannot be ammended without ammending the constitution.

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2014, 04:12:03 PM »
Most MPs are not educated, so they really dont know what making laws mean. They are told how to vote and like sheep they go along. Independence is a luxury.

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2014, 04:51:55 PM »
Problem is, they've been killing people all over in the name of terror instead of charging them. Those who are accidentally killed are also labelled terrorists so as to avoid any investigation. How can you trust such a govt???
Not to downplay the gravity.  But I think those accidental ones are very few.  Most of those killed have been killed on purpose. 

This development is dangerous for the regular mwananchi expressing an unpalatable opinion.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2014, 05:27:45 PM »
Most Kenyan police cant carry out a basic crime investigation. Thats why courts always throw away cases because they are not worth the courts time.
I will support Kenyatta if he makes economic crimes equal to terror. Arent those who cause economic damage by corruption worse than terrorists?

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2014, 05:50:23 PM »
Most Kenyan police cant carry out a basic crime investigation. Thats why courts always throw away cases because they are not worth the courts time.
I will support Kenyatta if he makes economic crimes equal to terror. Arent those who cause economic damage by corruption worse than terrorists?
Police are actually part of the problem.  Poorly renumerated and motivated.  They are trying to survive.

These new laws are not targeted at the fellows killing people.  They can't even catch them to subject them to the laws anyhow. 

They are targeting dissent from the average mwananchi.  The regular bloggers.  The people who can write uncomfortable things about kamwana and his failed regime. 

They want average Kenyans to stop asking questions about the insecurity.  They are blaming average Kenyans, especially those with unpalatable views, for insecurity.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2014, 06:13:49 PM »
The law is stillborn. Not worthy debating until perhaps some senior Jubirlee moron is dispatched to hell in pieces by a suicide bomber
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2014, 06:27:10 PM »
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The jubillee govt is about image rather than susbsance. The average person cant make it in the present Kenya. They cant borrow enough to send kids to school, pay hosp bills, food, etc. all these are going up and up monthly. Imagine a Shs 100,000 hosp bill. How many can afford that?

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2014, 04:58:00 PM »
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The jubillee govt is about image rather than susbsance. The average person cant make it in the present Kenya. They cant borrow enough to send kids to school, pay hosp bills, food, etc. all these are going up and up monthly. Imagine a Shs 100,000 hosp bill. How many can afford that?
Jubilee couldn't care any less about wanjiku.  That's likely true for most of Kenya's political class. 

But kamwana is a truly special case of incompetence.  Careless and clueless, the only goal is to remain in power.  Every challenge, including security, is only viewed through that lens.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2014, 05:50:20 PM »
There is a story about boiling a frog - You dump him in cold water and increase the heat slowly. Kenyatta is doing the same and soon whatever was gained post new constitution will be lost. Besides killing so called muslim fundamentalists, what has Kenyatta done to improve security? Are current laws being used to the extent of pushing them to bring perpetrators to justice? If they were how come we dont have thousands in court instead of thousands of bodies all over - both by muslim fundamentalists and the police.
Security worsens with a two class system in Kenya. Rich and Poor. Fundamentalist recruit fromt the poor because they have more to gain. What has Kenyatta done to promote a middlle class?

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2014, 07:30:04 AM »
I attended a function where the new Kenyan high comm to London spoke.  He denounced "Al Jazeera lies" very loudly.  Declaring that "Kenya is a respector of law,and all corrupt policemen are prosecuted!".  It was strange to witness.

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Re: Kamama unveiling a fascist state that will make Moi's KANU pale shadow.
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2014, 08:43:39 AM »
uhuru need a new set of adviser, its really sad to sit and watch uhuru presidency reduced to a joke. Most of jubilee errors have been self inflicted wounds but if they do not correct them soon, people will run  them out of town before 2017.