Ruto to Kenyattas -you sabotaged milk program - we will let cheap uganda milk in

[RV Pundit]

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As we work on rolling out milk coolers all over the country.

H.E William Ruto: Why are we having a quarrel with Uganda? Uganda should bring cheaper milk because they can produce it much more cheaply. We should be adding value to our own milk. ^MM #TheGreatKBC pic.twitter.com/Ss6APTIw8I

— KBC Channel1 News (@KBCChannel1) October 19, 2022

[RV Pundit]

Ruto will unveil 650 milk coolers - we start to produce milk powder

[sema]

Ruto will unveil 650 milk coolers - we start to produce milk powder

Ndii mentioned governor Iria tried to do this in muranga and uhuru stopped him (didn't want the competition for brookside) iria had actually even purchased the coolers and they were there and ready to go until uhuru stopped it. Said uhuru tried to stop the milk producers in githunguri but they threatened violence and he backed off.

This is how they'll crush brookside.

You don't need milk powder according to Ndii.  You just need to allow a competitive market to happen, which uhuru blocked making brookside a monopoly.

[RV Pundit]

Milk is saturated in kenya.
Milk powder is to export to West Africa - who buy imported milk from Europe
Brookside got stopped by Danone.
Danone when they saw Brookside going for their market - bought into Brookside - and then eventually they told them to back off west africa.
And they would leave coming to East Africa
Uhuru knows he was not going to expand - so he wants to protect their market in kenya - in fact Danone made them backoff Tanzania market.
The real deal is to use africa free trade area - and eac - then export milkt to DRC to Senegal.
Brookside is easy to deal with - kenyattas are now out of power.
Then we go for global congolemerate like Danone - who supply milk to Africa from Europe.
This where the fight get nasty

Ndii mentioned governor Iria tried to do this in muranga and uhuru stopped him (didn't want the competition for brookside) iria had actually even purchased the coolers and they were there and ready to go until uhuru stopped it. Said uhuru tried to stop the milk producers in githunguri but they threatened violence and he backed off.

This is how they'll crush brookside.

You don't need milk powder according to Ndii.  You just need to allow a competitive market to happen, which uhuru blocked making brookside a monopoly.

[Georgesoros]

Negotiate a free movement of all unprocessed foodstuff within EAC. Let the market dictate availability.

[RV Pundit]

It's not only Danone but it appears many European milk producers have cornered the Africa milk market.
This low hanging fruit kenyan farmers need to go for...keny market is pretty saturated.
There is need to now go for export market.

Our milk consumption is already highest in africa.

only option is to export milk in powder to africa.

[RV Pundit]

This is already done - but Kenyatta impounded milk and declare them aflotoxin or unfit - destroyed them - or block or frustrate them in borders.
This crony capitalism
When power to be are also major players.
The reason why no one should control a sector
STATE capture.

Negotiate a free movement of all unprocessed foodstuff within EAC. Let the market dictate availability.

[Georgesoros]

This is already done - but Kenyatta impounded milk and declare them aflotoxin or unfit - destroyed them - or block or frustrate them in borders.
This crony capitalism
When power to be are also major players.
The reason why no one should control a sector
STATE capture.

Negotiate a free movement of all unprocessed foodstuff within EAC. Let the market dictate availability.

There has to be a standard for products. was there an agency that is supposed to monitor enforce the standards? If so, why didnt importers go to court and challenge the rulling?
State can not enforce a law that is not in books.

[RV Pundit]

You're saying nonsense.
If an african president decide to mess up; he can mess up big time;
You can see how everyone is bending backward to Ruto.
This problem with our level of underdevelopment
Institutions are weak.
Once a matatu has paid the Kinotis - no police officer on the road can say nothing.
The consequence are dire.
There is so much unwritten laws.

we are lucky to have Ruto for now...will he change...maybe..for now..he wants the best..he has had money...he has seen money is an illusion

What Ruto wants I believe is a legacy of the greatest ever - for he truly believes he is greatest ever.

Small minded president will be satisfied controlling a small pond...an intelligent and ambitious man like ruto is great asset.

Kenya is very lucky to have incredibly gifted high IQ leader.... Uganda museveni..Rwanda Kagame..Meles Zenawi...

People who can go toe to toe with 1st world leadership....

African leader is a moron...exceptions are few.

RvHH provides very insightful nuggets on Ruto - and this when you realize how lucky we are - to have been gifted with such leadership that want the best - work hard - study hard - invest hard - and want the best for country.

For Africa - its NOT about (weak) institutions - it about being lucky to get a personality that GET IT.

There has to be a standard for products. was there an agency that is supposed to monitor enforce the standards? If so, why didnt importers go to court and challenge the rulling?
State can not enforce a law that is not in books.

[RV Pundit]

Again big distinction btw Uhuru or gadaffi sons or name any of big boys trump like sons who knows the sound bites - of democracy/good goverance/economy - and the reality

[sema]

Europe will never trust milk from African producers (can't see them allowing that into their markets for safety reasons)

In America, fewer and fewer people are drinking milk. They are switching to alternatives like almond milk, oat milk, etc in fact, many milk companies in the US have gone bankrupt.  I wonder if the same is happening in Europe?

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/borden-dairy-bankruptcy

[RV Pundit]

Europe produce excess milk for export to Africa, middle east and such - they failed in India for same reasons as Kenya.
Why do you think we have to export to Europe
We need to beat Europe in Africa.
At home.
Many in west and north africa dont imagine we can produce milk as good as europe
Yet we can
As for consumption - milk like sugar is everywhere -----------------------it base for most food.
I know many asians cant digest it - but butter,cheese,youghurt name it is all over.
Maybe consumption of raw or liquid milk..pretty tough for most people...will go down
Kenya has to go to ghee, butter, cheese, youghurt and powder milk through KCC.
Long road...start with Africa.

Europe will never trust milk from African producers (can't see them allowing that into their markets for safety reasons)

In America, fewer and fewer people are drinking milk. They are switching to alternatives like almond milk, oat milk, etc in fact, many milk companies in the US have gone bankrupt.  I wonder if the same is happening in Europe?

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/borden-dairy-bankruptcy

[sema]

Many in west and north africa dont imagine we can produce milk as good as europe

The issue is not production. It's the weak rule of law systems in Africa, which then affect the food quality.  If I were in Europe and saw on the label "from Kenya" I wouldn't touch it (just like I wouldn't touch any food source from China because I don't trust their systems. They're too corrupt) Europeans have high standards when it comes to their food quality. Focus on Africa where they are no standards in terms of food safety.

I'm beginning to see that you don't have a deep understanding of the west Pundit.

[RV Pundit]

Kenya vegies and flowers are sold in Europe. Today I was in supermarket and the only kenyan stuff I saw were french beans. Consumers dont care. They expect someone has done their due diligence. In groceries - I saw spanish, french, portugal, mexico, kenya, peru, etc. These are groceries. You go to wine section - its french, spain, and portugal. You go to liquor - it's most scottish, irish, american, cuban and such. You have french and russian for cogniac and vodka.There is very little of chinese.....in europe. But you can find kenya in grocery section. I saw south africa in avacados. I have seen ivory coast bananas and pine apples.

Many in west and north africa dont imagine we can produce milk as good as europe

The issue is not production. It's the weak rule of law systems in Africa, which then affect the food quality.  If I were in Europe and saw on the label "from Kenya" I wouldn't touch it (just like I wouldn't touch any food source from China because I don't trust their systems. They're too corrupt) Europeans have high standards when it comes to their food quality. Focus on Africa where they are no standards in terms of food safety.

I'm beginning to see that you don't have a deep understanding of the west Pundit.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

As we work on rolling out milk coolers all over the country.

H.E William Ruto: Why are we having a quarrel with Uganda? Uganda should bring cheaper milk because they can produce it much more cheaply. We should be adding value to our own milk. ^MM #TheGreatKBC pic.twitter.com/Ss6APTIw8I

— KBC Channel1 News (@KBCChannel1) October 19, 2022

He is in power.  He should tell us after after he does it.  Discussions should be with his cabinet. 

That aside there is nothing stopping Ug(except themselves of course) from doing that value addition that Ruto thinks Kenya should focus on.  The real issue here should be an open market which I agree with.

[Georgesoros]

As we work on rolling out milk coolers all over the country.

H.E William Ruto: Why are we having a quarrel with Uganda? Uganda should bring cheaper milk because they can produce it much more cheaply. We should be adding value to our own milk. ^MM #TheGreatKBC pic.twitter.com/Ss6APTIw8I

— KBC Channel1 News (@KBCChannel1) October 19, 2022

He is in power.  He should tell us after after he does it.  Discussions should be with his cabinet. 

That aside there is nothing stopping Ug(except themselves of course) from doing that value addition that Ruto thinks Kenya should focus on.  The real issue here should be an open market which I agree with.

This is a policy issue that should be turned into a treaty so as we have food security. He seems to be campaigning.

[hk]

As we work on rolling out milk coolers all over the country.

H.E William Ruto: Why are we having a quarrel with Uganda? Uganda should bring cheaper milk because they can produce it much more cheaply. We should be adding value to our own milk. ^MM #TheGreatKBC pic.twitter.com/Ss6APTIw8I

— KBC Channel1 News (@KBCChannel1) October 19, 2022

How would coolers increase productivity or lower cost of production? Coolers only lower temperature and homogenize milk. The only reason why Uganda is a cheaper milk producer is cause it can produce animal feeds raw materials. Kenya should be investing in animal feeds raw material especially in Tana river and western regions.
The kenyattas buy milk from farmers, they can buy milk from uganda or setup a processing plant in uganda and export to kenya. Their real cache is their brand, distribution system and processing plant. It's the farmers who would suffer not necessarily the kenyattas. Brookside and KCC are the only companies in kenya that have powder milk processing plants mainly because they can buy excess milk when there's oversupply. 
There are niche players like Bio dairy that specialize in yogurt that can explore export opportunities especially in Africa.

[RV Pundit]

Yes feeds have to be central focus; which is why Ruto is keen on growing BT cotton, soyabeans and sunflowers; these key raw materials together with maize - and gmo is our only hope. Also allow duty free import of gmo animal feeds will lower cost of production.

So we can kill two birds - stop import of a billion dollar worth of cooking oil - while using the waste materials (cotton/sunflower cake) to feed our cows and chicken.

Next I want to imagine is to build KCC - that kenyattas have ignored - so it become what KTDA is to tea - and become a major exporter of powder milk to Africa - through AFCTA.

How to build KCC - we need Mwangi Wa-Iria back there to build the entire value chain - mostly align small cooperatives and these coolers - to KCC - because it we already have too many little brands in kenya - there is no more space for more.

Kenya we already have highest milk consumptions - and milk production is increasing - we are ripe to export our milk to africa, middle east and such countries. This could be a billion- or two-billion-dollar market. we could not do that because Kenyatta cornered the market and Danone cornered Brookside - with Arbaj.

Dairy, Horticulture and Tourism  - are some sector with about same multiplier as industries - as it involves lots of people in the value chain - so called industries without smokes.

How would coolers increase productivity or lower cost of production? Coolers only lower temperature and homogenize milk. The only reason why Uganda is a cheaper milk producer is cause it can produce animal feeds raw materials. Kenya should be investing in animal feeds raw material especially in Tana river and western regions.
The kenyattas buy milk from farmers, they can buy milk from uganda or setup a processing plant in uganda and export to kenya. Their real cache is their brand, distribution system and processing plant. It's the farmers who would suffer not necessarily the kenyattas. Brookside and KCC are the only companies in kenya that have powder milk processing plants mainly because they can buy excess milk when there's oversupply. 
There are niche players like Bio dairy that specialize in yogurt that can explore export opportunities especially in Africa.

[Githunguri]

What kind of nonsense is this? The price of milk from Brookside muranga county milk kcc fresha/githunguri Pascha etc etc  is the same...120 bob a litre...all these kenyan companies are processors/brokers who buy milk from small scale farmers...there hasn't been rain for a long time in kenya and majority of these dairy farmers in central kenya mostly have small pieces of land..what that means is thay they have to depend on HAY SUNFLOWER & COTTON SEEED CAKE and the prices of these feeds have been going up due to scarcity and increase in price of diesel...that inturn has led to increase in production costs at the small scale farmer level, logistics and processing stage....so when you kill Brookside you kill other processors too because the market forces are the same...destroy liveliihood and tax base....given these factors, reason dictates that GOK should protect local milk industry.

[RV Pundit]

Brookside should compete with others in fair market.
It should compete with Uganda milk.
It should compete with KCC
If should not be allowed to buy everyone - there is Anti-Competition authority of kenya.
It need to be broken down - told to sell some of it's units to KCC or other processors.
When market is functioning - demand and supply - then everyone will be happy including kenyattas.
Industry will benefit - Brookside will grow - if they can kick out Danone and expand to West Africa - not try to stiffle the kenyan market.
The problem here is Brookside small mindness is killing a sector that has greatest potential to fight poverty.

Milk sector is prime to join the export market - and earn farmers better yields - as kenya already has more milk brand than any country I have been to.

What kind of nonsense is this? The price of milk from Brookside muranga county milk kcc fresha/githunguri Pascha etc etc  is the same...120 bob a litre...all these kenyan companies are processors/brokers who buy milk from small scale farmers...there hasn't been rain for a long time in kenya and majority of these dairy farmers in central kenya mostly have small pieces of land..what that means is thay they have to depend on HAY SUNFLOWER & COTTON SEEED CAKE and the prices of these feeds have been going up due to scarcity and increase in price of diesel...that inturn has led to increase in production costs at the small scale farmer level, logistics and processing stage....so when you kill Brookside you kill other processors too because the market forces are the same...destroy liveliihood and tax base....given these factors, reason dictates that GOK should protect local milk industry.