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That will break the stalemate and allow him to govern with some comfortable legitimacy and mandate.

Kalonzo bring in about 25mps.

I would give Kalonzo the PM or Chief Minister thing.

MaDVD should be given two ministries. He knows he has failed to deliver. He cannot complain.

Kalonzo also make any supreme court move by Raila dead on arrival


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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2022, 11:59:26 AM »
I think Mudavadi and Wetangula was Gods work.
How North Eastern voted for Raila is something we need to find out.
Seems Uhurus giving them Finance Ministry swayed them.
Just like 2007 when People were blaming Luhyas with VP post voting for Raila . It was Ford K and the Luhya vote which made Kibaki win the elections .

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2022, 12:07:44 PM »
NEP ni pure rigging. Ruto simply had no agents in most of places. Where he has he get 50% of the vote. Where he doesnt - they put zero. NEP ni clan politics - so in some areas - it become hostile even for another clan agent to go there.

It wont be easy to govern without kalonzo 25mps - it will be makelele in parliament

So I think MaDVD and Kalonzo need to be locked in - and they need to agree.

Weta and Bukusu have met their end of the bargain - and Weta will get NA - and 3 ministers.

I think Mudavadi and Wetangula was Gods work.
How North Eastern voted for Raila is something we need to find out.
Seems Uhurus giving them Finance Ministry swayed them.
Just like 2007 when People were blaming Luhyas with VP post voting for Raila . It was Ford K and the Luhya vote which made Kibaki win the elections .

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2022, 12:09:37 PM »
It was clear from very far Mdvd would not deliver... even Ruto knew it. NEP was also quite clearly Azimio.

Only shock was Gema... the Ruto margin is overwhelming.

Anyway Ruto will only do this if KK fails to clinch majority. Hornsby 50-50 projection seems likely.

If KK has 51% Ruto is likely to stick to UDA Nandi Speaker - not Weta don't be naive. And most big jobs UDA.

Kalonzo at best mere Foreign CS.. but I doubt it.
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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2022, 12:11:10 PM »
Yes KK will have very small minority - Weta is loyal - but Kingi is not getting senate speaker. Ruto will likely give it to GEMA - Meru like Mithika Linturi

For now NA - I am going for Weta.

Senate Speaker - Mithika Linturi.

It was clear from very far Mdvd would not deliver... even Ruto knew it. NEP was also quite clearly Azimio.

Only shock was Gema... the Ruto margin is overwhelming.

Anyway Ruto will only do this if KK fails to clinch majority. Hornsby 50-50 projection seems likely.

If KK has 51% Ruto is likely to stick to UDA Nandi Speaker - not Weta don't be naive. And most big jobs UDA.

Kalonzo at best mere Foreign CS.. but I doubt it.

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2022, 12:15:29 PM »
We had hinted of North Eastern. Having been in  Jubilee , he should have really focused in this region.
Im impressed with Mombasa. Kalonzo should just stop dreaming he can rule Kenya by inheriting Railas constituency . He should swallow his pride and join forces with Ruto . He was late dilly dallying when Mudavadi took Chief Minister place . He should negotiate for a 3 slot in yhe Cabinet.
Just like Martha he has been making a mistake after mistake. 2012 was a mistake 2017 mistake 2022 really exposed him.
Now as for Martha Kirinyaga Gov was for her taking. Whoever advised her to become Railas running mate realy destroyed her.

NEP ni pure rigging. Ruto simply had no agents in most of places. Where he has he get 50% of the vote. Where he doesnt - they put zero. NEP ni clan politics - so in some areas - it become hostile even for another clan agent to go there.

It wont be easy to govern without kalonzo 25mps - it will be makelele in parliament

So I think MaDVD and Kalonzo need to be locked in - and they need to agree.

I think Mudavadi and Wetangula was Gods work.
How North Eastern voted for Raila is something we need to find out.
Seems Uhurus giving them Finance Ministry swayed them.
Just like 2007 when People were blaming Luhyas with VP post voting for Raila . It was Ford K and the Luhya vote which made Kibaki win the elections .

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2022, 12:18:43 PM »
NEP is always though place - cost of protecting vote is too high - North Horr where Ruto is scoring zero is huge desert.

I wont fault Martha for 2022 - it was good shot - and you take those. 2013 was pure madness that killed her.
Kalonzo and Kamba nation like all ODM supporters are weary and beaten.
They will take Ruto offer with both hands.
And they know Raila will likely handshake Ruto if they delay.
Expect Kalonzo to rush to Karen as soon as Ruto is confirmed.

He probably is negotiating now - and will issue congratulation message & refuse court drama.

We had hinted of North Eastern. Having been in  Jubilee , he should have really focused in this region.
Im impressed with Mombasa. Kalonzo should just stop dreaming he can rule Kenya by inheriting Railas constituency . He should swallow his pride and join forces with Ruto . He was late dilly dallying when Mudavadi took Chief Minister place . He should negotiate for a 3 slot in yhe Cabinet.
Just like Martha he has been making a mistake after mistake. 2012 was a mistake 2017 mistake 2022 really exposed him.
Now as for Martha Kirinyaga Gov was for her taking. Whoever advised her to become Railas running mate realy destroyed her.

NEP ni pure rigging. Ruto simply had no agents in most of places. Where he has he get 50% of the vote. Where he doesnt - they put zero. NEP ni clan politics - so in some areas - it become hostile even for another clan agent to go there.

It wont be easy to govern without kalonzo 25mps - it will be makelele in parliament

So I think MaDVD and Kalonzo need to be locked in - and they need to agree.

I think Mudavadi and Wetangula was Gods work.
How North Eastern voted for Raila is something we need to find out.
Seems Uhurus giving them Finance Ministry swayed them.
Just like 2007 when People were blaming Luhyas with VP post voting for Raila . It was Ford K and the Luhya vote which made Kibaki win the elections .

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2022, 12:20:47 PM »
If KK wins.. speaker is UDA likely a Kalenjin. Weta is already senator... that illogical. Those carrots with Mdvd PM was to entice Luhya to vote Ruto. Just like Kingi.

What about if Azimio wins majority?  8)

Yes KK will have very small minority - Weta is loyal - but Kingi is not getting senate speaker. Ruto will likely give it to GEMA - Meru like Mithika Linturi

For now NA - I am going for Weta.

Senate Speaker - Mithika Linturi.

It was clear from very far Mdvd would not deliver... even Ruto knew it. NEP was also quite clearly Azimio.

Only shock was Gema... the Ruto margin is overwhelming.

Anyway Ruto will only do this if KK fails to clinch majority. Hornsby 50-50 projection seems likely.

If KK has 51% Ruto is likely to stick to UDA Nandi Speaker - not Weta don't be naive. And most big jobs UDA.

Kalonzo at best mere Foreign CS.. but I doubt it.
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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2022, 12:24:46 PM »
Weta will resign and join NA. Linturi will get speaker of Senate. It would be terrible optics to put a Kalenjin  there. But all their deputies like to be Kalenjin and Kikuyu. Murkomen will deputize Linturi to help him with legal issues. In parliament - Ruto will look for one good woman lawyer like Muranga tough woman.

Weta will get it because it's part of his MOU and he delivered.

For Azimio - Speaker is Marende - and Senate - I dont know - but I expect Kalonzo will demand that - he has the leverage - Jubilee would but they look set to have zero senators.
If KK wins.. speaker is UDA likely a Kalenjin. Weta is already senator... that illogical. Those carrots with Mdvd PM was to entice Luhya to vote Ruto. Just like Kingi.

What about if Azimio wins majority?  8)

Yes KK will have very small minority - Weta is loyal - but Kingi is not getting senate speaker. Ruto will likely give it to GEMA - Meru like Mithika Linturi

For now NA - I am going for Weta.

Senate Speaker - Mithika Linturi.

It was clear from very far Mdvd would not deliver... even Ruto knew it. NEP was also quite clearly Azimio.

Only shock was Gema... the Ruto margin is overwhelming.

Anyway Ruto will only do this if KK fails to clinch majority. Hornsby 50-50 projection seems likely.

If KK has 51% Ruto is likely to stick to UDA Nandi Speaker - not Weta don't be naive. And most big jobs UDA.

Kalonzo at best mere Foreign CS.. but I doubt it.

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2022, 01:36:49 PM »
what has mudavadi done to get 2 ministers, for all in know ruto presidency has been brought by GEMA and Kalenjin, if Ruto feels philanthropic  he can donate from his 50% FULLSTOP

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2022, 01:39:41 PM »
It's 50% plus ONE - maDVD is that critical PLUS ONE. So I think for good intention he will get two useless minister - one for himself and one for Kakamega. Power is not about % - it's about critical ministries like finance, security, infrastructure,education - those Mt kenya and RV will keep. MaDVD will be given the Ministry of Sports and East Africa affairs.

I think the real power deal will be Mt kenya, Kalenjin and Bukusu....the rest will get what they brought...some will get Kenya Film Board of Kenya like Mutua.

what has mudavadi done to get 2 ministers, for all in know ruto presidency has been brought by GEMA and Kalenjin, if Ruto feels philanthropic  he can donate from his 50% FULLSTOP

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2022, 01:46:48 PM »
Can you do the maths , How Ruto would have performed without Mudavadi.
Mudavadi played his cards well. Let him get his end of bargain.
Also Ruto will need his Mps in parliament. We know Jubilee MPS will move their support to Ruto once results are announced.


what has mudavadi done to get 2 ministers, for all in know ruto presidency has been brought by GEMA and Kalenjin, if Ruto feels philanthropic  he can donate from his 50% FULLSTOP

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2022, 01:48:54 PM »
It's 50% plus ONE - maDVD is that critical PLUS ONE. So I think for good intention he will get two useless minister - one for himself and one for Kakamega. Power is not about % - it's about critical ministries like finance, security, infrastructure,education - those Mt kenya and RV will keep. MaDVD will be given the Ministry of Sports and East Africa affairs.

I think the real power deal will be Mt kenya, Kalenjin and Bukusu....the rest will get what they brought...some will get Kenya Film Board of Kenya like Mutua.

what has mudavadi done to get 2 ministers, for all in know ruto presidency has been brought by GEMA and Kalenjin, if Ruto feels philanthropic  he can donate from his 50% FULLSTOP
:D :D
we need to fully restructure and purge the government , this is our golden chance to weed out like 10,000 positions bring in new fresh people, this is what Erdogan of turkey did after they tried to overthrow him, I need to be put in charge of that.

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2022, 01:50:22 PM »

You have a point. Tired of the Moi erra politicians.

It's 50% plus ONE - maDVD is that critical PLUS ONE. So I think for good intention he will get two useless minister - one for himself and one for Kakamega. Power is not about % - it's about critical ministries like finance, security, infrastructure,education - those Mt kenya and RV will keep. MaDVD will be given the Ministry of Sports and East Africa affairs.

I think the real power deal will be Mt kenya, Kalenjin and Bukusu....the rest will get what they brought...some will get Kenya Film Board of Kenya like Mutua.

what has mudavadi done to get 2 ministers, for all in know ruto presidency has been brought by GEMA and Kalenjin, if Ruto feels philanthropic  he can donate from his 50% FULLSTOP
:D :D
we need to fully restructure and purge the government , this is our golden chance to weed out like 10,000 positions bring in new fresh people, this is what Erdogan of turkey did after they tried to overthrow him, I need to be put in charge of that.

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2022, 01:50:31 PM »
If the numbers are good in parliament - and independent and small parties play ball - maDVD will be safe. He needs to talk to small parties in Azimio to support him.
Otherwise if numbers are not good - Ruto will have to talk to Kamba nation.

Can you do the maths , How Ruto would have performed without Mudavadi.
Mudavadi played his cards well. Let him get his end of bargain.
Also Ruto will need his Mps in parliament. We know Jubilee MPS will move their support to Ruto once results are announced.


what has mudavadi done to get 2 ministers, for all in know ruto presidency has been brought by GEMA and Kalenjin, if Ruto feels philanthropic  he can donate from his 50% FULLSTOP

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2022, 01:52:36 PM »
Biggest purge is to remove Kenyatta and Moi family tentacles all over state and private sector. Yes Ruto should definitely fire all the handshake folks whose only business has been to assit Kenyatta and Moi finish the economy.

It has to be done swiftly and merciless - Miguna Miguna remain idle candidate to do the purge - so Ruto can be insulated.

I would get Migun Miguna on the first flight home - Miguna is merciless. 90% will choose to forfeit whatever than appear before Miguna Miguna backed by AhmedNassir - then throw in former CJS for PR purpose.

Such a four man commission head by former CJ (Maraga or Mutunga) - with Miguna Miguna as the lead counsel  - will fix the problem in 2 months. Just get 10K list - make them appear before Miguna Miguna or resign from gov

we need to fully restructure and purge the government , this is our golden chance to weed out like 10,000 positions bring in new fresh people, this is what Erdogan of turkey did after they tried to overthrow him, I need to be put in charge of that.

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2022, 01:59:02 PM »
Those razor thin margins means everyone matters. Even the one who brought 10K votes.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2022, 01:59:48 PM »
Biggest purge is to remove Kenyatta and Moi family tentacles all over state and private sector. Yes Ruto should definitely fire all the handshake folks whose only business has been to assit Kenyatta and Moi finish the economy.

It has to be done swiftly and merciless - Miguna Miguna remain idle candidate to do the purge - so Ruto can be insulated.

I would get Migun Miguna on the first flight home - Miguna is merciless. 90% will choose to forfeit whatever than appear before Miguna Miguna backed by AhmedNassir - then throw in former CJS for PR purpose.

Such a four man commission head by former CJ (Maraga or Mutunga) - with Miguna Miguna as the lead counsel  - will fix the problem in 2 months.

we need to fully restructure and purge the government , this is our golden chance to weed out like 10,000 positions bring in new fresh people, this is what Erdogan of turkey did after they tried to overthrow him, I need to be put in charge of that.
okay Miguna can get the job because he is a loud mouth, but am more meticulous and ruthless in achieving results over a short period, normally I like working rapidly without interruption not like you pundit who get destructed, actually when am working I easily become agitated when someone interrupts me.

can we trust miguna though with his loud mouth, we don't want a guy that will start screaming and insulting against fellow UDA members because he has a difference with them, we need someone silent and effective, thus I will also tender my application for the same position, am sure hitter will push mine.

Always remember I was the first person,numero uno, to call for the liquidation of Kenyatta dynasty among others before everyone joined the bus

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Re: Ruto has no option except handshake Kalonzo..sack MADVD - give KALOI PM
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2022, 02:07:25 PM »
Miguna Miguna is not be trusted to cabinet but short term 3 months gig he can execute them. He doesnt want money. He wants FAME. He want to go to Luo Nyanza and kick out Odingas.
okay Miguna can get the job because he is a loud mouth, but am more meticulous and ruthless in achieving results over a short period, normally I like working rapidly without interruption not like you pundit who get destructed, actually when am working I easily become agitated when someone interrupts me.

can we trust miguna though with his loud mouth, we don't want a guy that will start screaming and insulting against fellow UDA members because he has a difference with them, we need someone silent and effective, thus I will also tender my application for the same position, am sure hitter will push mine.

Always remember I was the first person,numero uno, to call for the liquidation of Kenyatta dynasty among others before everyone joined the bus