Ufool to suffer fate of senile jomo

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They mistreated Lee Njiru. He is too honest. Ngina must be seeing ghosts in jehannam.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/jomo-kenyatta-s-chaotic-state-house-and-his-callous-handlers-3889146

[patel]

The last 2 months has been total confusion at state house. Most people have left for political positions while others are lobbying for position in kenya kwanza. If Azimio were confident of victory you would not see this kind of games and confusion. By 9th next month ufool will be left holding the bag.

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[RV Pundit]

You're pained more than Ufool and we have not started on him...two weeks he will be powerless

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[RV Pundit]

We focus our bile on leaders not fellow nipateans.If it pain you that I attack ufool then go to hell...he is pork..you're a truck driver.Attack Ruto.He is public official but stop catching feeling coz of a drunkard good for nothing ufool

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From horse's mouths who witnessed Moi fall out and consequent purge.

It is a BRUTAL affair!

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/lee-njiru-minister-accused-mama-ngina-of-plot-to-eliminate-moi-3890100

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[RV Pundit]

And Moi was a lot nicer.

From horse's mouths who witnessed Moi fall out and consequent purge.

It is a BRUTAL affair!

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/lee-njiru-minister-accused-mama-ngina-of-plot-to-eliminate-moi-3890100

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I am surprised he was pro hasoras and was critiquing senile jomo government despite how we are regaled with tales of how humble/stupid he was. These are stories Kenyans need to hear, though I can't understand why NIS has allowed this particualr one to run NOW.

 

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Seems ufool even if if he has signed, can't trust the dotted lines.

However, I was not overly worried because a Kenyan staffer in the American Embassy in Nairobi had assured me that the US would not allow the Kibaki government to mistreat Moi, let alone arrest him.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/lee-njiru-how-moi-settled-on-uhuru-as-successor-3890718

[RV Pundit]

Yes Moi had MOU with Kibaki not be touched by any error of commission and ommission - underwritten by US. It was signed in Whitehouse under the watch of George Bush.

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These Lee Njiru stories and the experiences of those who have lived through Kenyatta, Kibaki and ufool eras are proof that Kenya has been on auto pilot. No leadership since 1963.

This is the closest we have come to a presidential museum.

[RV Pundit]

Yes esp those hilarious stunts of someone want to overthrow you. They operate on fitina.

These Lee Njiru stories and the experiences of those who have lived through Kenyatta, Kibaki and ufool eras are proof that Kenya has been on auto pilot. No leadership since 1963.

This is the closest we have come to a presidential museum.

[Nowayhaha]

So Kibaki could thrash NARC MOU and not U.S. MOU ?
Kibaki and Moi were one item and by 1998 Moi was okei in handing power to Kibaki. Kibaki had been his Vice President for 10 years
The burden of proof came in 2007 elections when Moi thwarted Kibakis decision to hand over power to Raila after Raila rigged and used media to give perception he had win 2007 election .
The helicopter ride by Moi to statehouse made Kibaki change his mind.
Once again lets be real with ourselves . Presidents in Kenya cant go after former presidents because it means ultimately they will be targeted also once out of power.
Just like kibaki was Mois VP for 10 years , Ruto has been Uhurus DP tor 10 years. These are people who know each other very well.

Yes Moi had MOU with Kibaki not be touched by any error of commission and ommission - underwritten by US. It was signed in Whitehouse under the watch of George Bush.

[RV Pundit]

Of course.
US then was everything.
Now it's power even in Kenya has reduced.
You have heard from two key sources and yet you continue to spin USELESS theories like a idiot.
Moi was insisting on either Uhuru or military.
Boinett told the CIA - Moi was stubborn and was going for the broke.
Moi was invited to White house in Dec 2007.
That was two weeks to election.
Dec 10th 2002 - with 17 days to go election - George Bush summoned Moi to White house
US told Moi - Kibaki was winning - and he had to prepare to handover.
Moi told US - he had worked with them - as their dependable allie - and they obviously been broken laws all over - and he wanted MOU signed that Kibaki would not go after him.
George Bush - had Kibaki make the commitment.
When it was done - Moi passed London to see Kibaki in hospital
And it was over for Uhuru - and morons like you who were supporting him

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021210-14.html

There was no way Kibaki would violate an MOU signed in whitehouse at highest level.

So Kibaki could thrash NARC MOU and not U.S. MOU ?
Kibaki and Moi were one item and by 1998 Moi was okei in handing power to Kibaki. Kibaki had been his Vice President for 10 years
The burden of proof came in 2007 elections when Moi thwarted Kibakis decision to hand over power to Raila after Raila rigged and used media to give perception he had win 2007 election .
The helicopter ride by Moi to statehouse made Kibaki change his mind.
Once again lets be real with ourselves . Presidents in Kenya cant go after former presidents because it means ultimately they will be targeted also once out of power.
Just like kibaki was Mois VP for 10 years , Ruto has been Uhurus DP tor 10 years. These are people who know each other very well.

Yes Moi had MOU with Kibaki not be touched by any error of commission and ommission - underwritten by US. It was signed in Whitehouse under the watch of George Bush.

[RV Pundit]

You can bet Meles Zenawi - Key US poodle was also part of the MOU deal

Dec 10th 2002
At the invitation of President George W. Bush, President Daniel T. arap Moi of Kenya and Prime Minister Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia met at the White House on Thursday, December 5, 2002.

[Nowayhaha]

You are being naive. By 2002 Kibaki was 40 years in politics out of these he had worked with Moi 30 years including 10 years as his Vice President.
U.S. were worried that Moi like other African Presidents would hang on power. During the visit Bush assured Moi of protection if he left power which is what you are calling MOU.
Moi was okei with Kibaki being President though he preffered Uhuru .
Uhuru was his Plan A Kibaki was his Plan B. Actually Mois regret in 1992 election was Kibaki deserting him . He would have wanted him to be in KANU so to groom him for Presidency.

Why you think Moi can cut deal with Kibaki and Uhuru cannot cut deal with Ruto is being Naive. Typical of Kenyan naivety about politicians . Ruto cares for Uhuru than he would care for you.

Of course.
US then was everything.
Now it's power even in Kenya has reduced.
You have heard from two key sources and yet you continue to spin USELESS theories like a idiot.
Moi was insisting on either Uhuru or military.
Boinett told the CIA - Moi was stubborn and was going for the broke.
Moi was invited to White house in Dec 2007.
That was two weeks to election.
Dec 10th 2002 - with 17 days to go election - George Bush summoned Moi to White house
US told Moi - Kibaki was winning - and he had to prepare to handover.
Moi told US - he had worked with them - as their dependable allie - and they obviously been broken laws all over - and he wanted MOU signed that Kibaki would not go after him.
George Bush - had Kibaki make the commitment.
When it was done - Moi passed London to see Kibaki in hospital
And it was over for Uhuru - and morons like you who were supporting him

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021210-14.html

There was no way Kibaki would violate an MOU signed in whitehouse at highest level.

So Kibaki could thrash NARC MOU and not U.S. MOU ?
Kibaki and Moi were one item and by 1998 Moi was okei in handing power to Kibaki. Kibaki had been his Vice President for 10 years
The burden of proof came in 2007 elections when Moi thwarted Kibakis decision to hand over power to Raila after Raila rigged and used media to give perception he had win 2007 election .
The helicopter ride by Moi to statehouse made Kibaki change his mind.
Once again lets be real with ourselves . Presidents in Kenya cant go after former presidents because it means ultimately they will be targeted also once out of power.
Just like kibaki was Mois VP for 10 years , Ruto has been Uhurus DP tor 10 years. These are people who know each other very well.

Yes Moi had MOU with Kibaki not be touched by any error of commission and ommission - underwritten by US. It was signed in Whitehouse under the watch of George Bush.

[RV Pundit]

Moi demoted Kibaki in 88, tried to rig him out in 88, then rigged him out in 1997.
You dont think he was happy with Moi.
Kikuyu elite were bitter with Moi. And so was Raila and his cohort.
Everyone was bitter with Moi.
Moi and his elite were very scared. All of them had bought house abroad.
Only Ruto was not scared - because Ruto has no fear gene in him - he told Kalenjin to snap out of it and face Kibaki.
US cannot summon exiting president to discuss peace and security just two weeks to election.
US was going to sign MOU btw Kibaki and Moi.
You fool just like arguing for nothing.
The MOU was masterminded by Brig Boinnet - he was talking to Kibaki and US gov - and they agreed to the deal.
Boinnet kept his job until 2005.

As for Uhuru - it upon him to find a leverage he can use to negotiate with Ruto.
Friendship in politics is NOTHING.
Moi leverage was military - he had been in power for 24yrs and was well entrenched.
He was capable of handing over to the military after engineered chaos.
Moi had pulled it in 1992 - engineering land clashes.
He knew Kenyatta and Kikuyu elite had put him VP so they can steal Kamatusa land.
That was leverage Moi had - he would pull out the Land card - via Majimbo talk anytime he felt threaten.
And did the same in 1998 - when Kibaki filled a petition.
His plan was simple - start chaos - then handover to military.
Sumbeiyo was the guy Moi and kalenjin elite wanted to take over  - but he refused.

As for Uhuru - HE NEED LEVERAGE to NEGOTIATE with Ruto.

One leverage he has lots of billions. He can tell Ruto take half of my billions and leave me alone
The other levarage - Jubilee party - he is trying to get MPS and governors - so they can scream murder esp in Mt Kenya if he is touched.

He doesnt have land clashes or military card like Moi had....but he has Kikuyus like you who adore him...but hate Raila. He can play victim though Ruto is deadly in propaganda.

The only leverage Uhuru has with Gideon - is to cut Ruto the biggest cheque ever - to compensate for 5yrs they "stole" from him.

Ruto will let them go if they can compensate 2018-2022 loss to him and friends. That really is their main beef. They moved Ruto cheese - and invited strangers to the dinning table...and they didnt stop there..they tried to drown him after torturing and humiliating him.

You are being naive. By 2002 Kibaki was 40 years in politics out of these he had worked with Moi 30 years including 10 years as his Vice President.
U.S. were worried that Moi like other African Presidents would hang on power. During the visit Bush assured Moi of protection if he left power which is what you are calling MOU.
Moi was okei with Kibaki being President though he preffered Uhuru .
Uhuru was his Plan A Kibaki was his Plan B. Actually Mois regret in 1992 election was Kibaki deserting him . He would have wanted him to be in KANU so to groom him for Presidency.

Why you think Moi can cut deal with Kibaki and Uhuru cannot cut deal with Ruto is being Naive. Typical of Kenyan naivety about politicians . Ruto cares for Uhuru than he would care for you.

[sema]

They moved Ruto cheese

The problem with this argument is that Ndii would not be satisfied with it.  He is all about state capture. EVen if they give ruto half his cheese, Ndii still wants to break up their empires.  So, how will they ever agree?