senate Majority leader Kithuri kindiki bad mouth motherland

[Ole Ole]

• Tweet

Unbelievable that a senate leader can use such a strong language to dis his mother country in exchange of few pieces of silver.
what should the country do with such traitors?????

http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-188525/kenyan-prisons-are-dangerous-kindiki#sthash.HLznjtxs.dpuf

[Kababe]

Wacha!

How is this being a traitor? He is speaking honestly! Have you ever visited a Kenyan prison?

Dude, Kenyan prisons are no place for human beings, I can say that from first-hand experience! When I did my clinical attachment way back when some sessions were done at Langata prison and industrial area because remandees were too many to be transported. We started first at langata and I thought it was bad because the women were certainly not ladies! I would be terrified out of my wits to be left alone with those women, let me not kid you. plus we were told to keep valuables away because all sorts of things happened. I thought this was bad until we reached Industrial area and I was immediately disabused of such fantasies. Langata womens prison is no more than a hard boarding school, industrial area is an atrocity. Hayo tu!

[jakoyo]

Kenya prison have improved alot. One is safer behind the prisons than behind their perimeter walls in Kitsuru.  Folks are coming out of Kenya prisons better nourished , highly educated, better skills. Only thing now lacking is conjugal rights.

I  would rather live in Kamiti maximum prison than live in Umoja one innercore.

Below is a testimony of how things have improved.

Peter Ouko is serving a life sentence and has been in prison for 16 years

A maximum security prison in Kenya has been the unusual setting for a ceremony awarding a diploma from the University of London.

Peter Ouko, an inmate at Kamiti prison in Nairobi, has received a diploma in common law.

A former death row inmate, Ouko followed the course online and will now advance to a further law qualification.

The event at the prison on Friday was attended by senior judge Richard Mwongo, representing the chief justice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28785045

[RV Pundit]

Well he was a lawyer then...it would be inappropriate now..i hope he is working to fix some of the issues he has identified.

[Omollo]

Whatever the case, Kithure Kindiki could have curbed his greed and let some other person go and bad mouth the Kenyan prisons. Ketan Somaia is a good reference having actually been condemned to board there.

May I help Kababe understand the reality of those prisons. Magistrates love to remand big people to Industrial area. The reason is simple to guess: Bribes.

All the prisons in Kenya have an elaborate bribery system which I shall break down for you with estimated "prices". I reality no rich man spends a day at Industrial area or even enters the cells. Some never even leave the court buildings in handcuffs but actually drive away in their own cars in most cases with the full knowledge of the magistrate:

1. Industrial Area - To avoid it completely 1,000,000
2. To be taken up to the loading and offloading area and may enter the cell - 500,000

The above prices are per 14 days when an accused is required to be present in court for mention of their cases

If one gets sentenced to serve time there is still hope:

The prison and police will arrange for a surrogate to serve the sentence in a prison on his behalf for a fee. The starting price remains 250,000 for a two year stretch (where one would be out in 12 months). In other words about 20K per month - higher than a watchman's monthly salary with bed and food;

High profile convicts don't go through such routines. They simply pay a certain amout, stay out of sight (meaning tinted cars and disguises) for the duration of their "remand" and prison term.

The prisons have to be kept in such horrific conditions to ensure that they serve as an incentive for a family to sell land or empty the bank account to save their loved ones.

Some like Kodiaga have Cholera cells. If some guy robs and rapes your wife and ends up there, for less than 50k he can be placed in a cholera cell. He will be dead in a week. Case closed.

More later.

[RV Pundit]

Omollo, that is quite some revelation; what i have personally witnessed are court clerks engaging in open graft. i have also bribed to have my bro released by city council magistrate court...openly.

The whole system in kenya is designed so everyone at the right price can escape justice.

It the reason i love and hate this country. One you're assured of never really spending time in prison or cells if you the money....

[Omollo]

Pundit

I know for a fact that Kamlesh Pattni never spent a day inside any prison in Kenya. He would board the Green Maria at the law courts amid conjured up "tight security" then be driven to a location where he disembarked, "thanked" the guards for the wonderful show with some good cash and request them to be on time for the next day's delivery to the court.

Of course he would arrive in his convoy of luxury cars, then be transferred to the humble Green Maria for the short drive to the Court Buildings where instead of waiting in the cells huko chini, he made use of an empty magistrates' office along with his lawyers and hangerson complete with private security. Did you notice how well polished his shoes were? Clean white shirts and new suits every appearance.

Every advocate worth his name knows this game only too well.

The only big and moneyed people who ever actually entered cells and  stayed there were Moi's enemies. Anybody else? No. Biwott was out in an hour and told to stay at home and rest. Oyugi was given a bed and every comfort in the house of the prison chief for the few days he was there before he was allowed to go home and rest and shut his mouth.

Omollo, that is quite some revelation; what i have personally witnessed are court clerks engaging in open graft. i have also bribed to have my bro released by city council magistrate court...openly.

The whole system in kenya is designed so everyone at the right price can escape justice.

It the reason i love and hate this country. One you're assured of never really spending time in prison or cells if you the money....

[Kababe]

There is this relative from shagz. He took advantage of a drunk woman. He ended up getting 35 years fresh after Njoki's ammendments to Kenya's sexual offences regime. He went to Kodiaga. Man! I tell you he came out not long after, thin as a famine victim. How? The very mention of Kodiaga sent chills down relatives' spines. Pesa zilichangwa, kesi went to appeal and reversed in what seemed like a flash in them days. Every person kept stressing that kodiaga was hell. But Cholera cells? That really is something from another world.

What I saw in Industrial area I have never been able to forget. Those guys were worse off than overcrowded mbuzis in a pen or whatever it is that houses goats. Some were peeping from windows that looked like holes in a carton box. I wouldn't wish Kenyan prisons on any but the most dangerous people and even them I would feel some compassion. Many people in prisons are too poor to afford that scheme....And lets not forget the rape!

[Omollo]

Many people in prisons are too poor to afford that scheme....And lets not forget the rape!

The scheme is not for the poor.

[vooke]

Every man dreads a date with the booty warrior. It's so bad that they actually preach safe sex in prisons...USAID has pumped some millions
Not a valid vimeo URLI know at some point some Mungiki murder suspects was being aksd to cough 3M to secure they release from Kamiti....two I know of was released

[Ole Ole]

Kababy, kenya prison may be in deplorable condition but what has kindiki as a senate majority leader done to improve the conditions also when he claims that his friend Devani cannot get fair trial in kenya since the courts are not just and fair due to political pressure what message does he send to the lowly like us who do not have political muscle?

Wacha!

How is this being a traitor? He is speaking honestly! Have you ever visited a Kenyan prison?

Dude, Kenyan prisons are no place for human beings, I can say that from first-hand experience! When I did my clinical attachment way back when some sessions were done at Langata prison and industrial area because remandees were too many to be transported. We started first at langata and I thought it was bad because the women were certainly not ladies! I would be terrified out of my wits to be left alone with those women, let me not kid you. plus we were told to keep valuables away because all sorts of things happened. I thought this was bad until we reached Industrial area and I was immediately disabused of such fantasies. Langata womens prison is no more than a hard boarding school, industrial area is an atrocity. Hayo tu!

[Ole Ole]

Rv pundit good to see you my friend....on this case Kindiki was not devani lawyer but a witness called to bad mouth kenya prison and justice system. All that done when he was a senate majority leader

Well he was a lawyer then...it would be inappropriate now..i hope he is working to fix some of the issues he has identified.

[Ole Ole]

Omollo you nailed it. The system is rotten to the core but what will it take to fix this system? I do not see any goodwill from the current leadership
to tackle hard issue like corruption

[Omollo]

Omollo you nailed it. The system is rotten to the core but what will it take to fix this system? I do not see any goodwill from the current leadership to tackle hard issue like corruption

It's not possible. Those who can change it WANT to be hard. They see criminals as only those who rob them, invade their high end homes and rape their trophy wives and daughters and then take cash and the cars. You will be surprised how many such crimes go unreported for fear of "stigmatization". So they want a place where a "criminal" goes and dies without the guilt of the "Death Sentence" pronounced by a judge.

However when the good order of things fails to act as expected and one of their own lands in these holes, then the rules change. As you can see Kababe writing earlier, her clan had to contribute money and get "their" person out whatever it cost. The system of camaraderie takes over.

No big man would like to see his colleague in that situation. Most of the "crimes" that would take a man there is just the normal business of people like him. Muthama and Ndemo are not treated as "criminal Suspects". Not even by their political enemies. They blame the advocates who carried out the deal and the complainants who could not reach an understanding and had to go the extra and useless mile of bringing in the police. So every effort will be made to scuttle the case. If it fails, then they will still not enter prison. The worst that can happen is the "Jomo Kenyatta" Prison. There are staff houses on the prison compound and once can be put to good private economic use. But gereza for a Kenyan VIP? He must have angered a lot of people or be in politics on the WRONG side.

[RV Pundit]

Glad to see you too. Ole Ole wa Kajiado.

Rv pundit good to see you my friend....on this case Kindiki was not devani lawyer but a witness called to bad mouth kenya prison and justice system. All that done when he was a senate majority leader

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The whole thing is wrong.  On so many levels.  All one can say is fuck this Kindiki guy.

[Omollo]

The whole thing is wrong.  On so many levels.  All one can say is f%ck this Kindiki guy.

I think Jubilee should ask him to resign if they want to keep the pretence of running a government. Those remarks are toxic when coming from a member of government. Once you join government you stop being Omollo.

[Ole Ole]

precisely, we have a senate majority leader trying to help a fugitive escape justice knowing very well billions of shillings Devani
conned kenyans. Kindiki should just resign and hope kenyans will forgive him.

The whole thing is wrong.  On so many levels.  All one can say is f%ck this Kindiki guy.

[Kichwa Mbaya]

Couldn't they find an expert from Nairobi University or a former police officer or a white dude masquerading as an expert on security in Kenya to testify Instead of majority leader.  These people are just too greedy they will sell their self respect, their country, their official positions and their own mother if the price is right.

[Georgesoros]

Its like having your kid testify for the robber who robed you and then the kid expects ti come back home and continue getting the same benefits as before!!
Where is the opposition??