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What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« on: June 20, 2022, 03:10:33 PM »
People getting kiled on the border between rwanda and drc..uhuru proposes a regional force in the border..then drc agrees on regional army with reservations that Rwanda must not be part of that regional force..then few days later Kagame and Museveni fly to Nairobi today?

Something crazy seems to be happening there.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2022, 03:17:03 PM »
Rwanda is biggest exporter of gold and coltan..minerals they dont have.
Uganda does even more minerals including gold.

Both Museveni and Kagame will not leave Eastern Congo riches to some Tshikendi.

Kenya is entering a theatre of war where it has no bearing or game.

Unless kenya is planning to get minerals - dont waste the lifes of our soldiers - like we did in Somalia.

Ruto 1st business should be to pull down kenya soldiers from Somalia and DRC congo - and use it to guard people in Marsabit, Baringo and Marakwet, Laikipia and many such places.

And Tshikendi-Raila closeness is more reason Museveni and I bet Kagame are financing Ruto.

People getting kiled on the border between rwanda and drc..uhuru proposes a regional force in the border..then drc agrees on regional army with reservations that Rwanda must not be part of that regional force..then few days later Kagame and Museveni fly to Nairobi today?

Something crazy seems to be happening there.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2022, 04:16:28 PM »
Interesting...I've seen Rwanda and Uganda export these conglose minerals and earn $1BN each annually..I think the real figures these two gentlemen pockets millions of dollars...Both museveni and Kagame are tutsi,M7 is the Ugandan tutsi called banyarwanda and their friendship stems from protecting each other,then we have the Congolese tutsi in kivu called byamulenga who are armed by both Rwanda and Uganda.. So you have tutsi in Rwanda Uganda and Kivu/DRC who protect each other....The UNWRITTEN RULE is that DRC president must never interfere with their $2-$3BN mineral/gold/tin/cobalt business,If he dares they March all the way to Kinshasa...Now that's the Kivu conflict.

Question is What is Uhuru interest in this crisis?Does he bank the cash for them?Is Uhuru Raila and Tsihshekedi in a deal to oust M7 and Kagame and take over the business?

Very DANGEROUS and high stakes business.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2022, 04:21:51 PM »
Now you've nailed it; Museveni and Kagame have split Eastern Congo - the upper part is run by Uganda - minerals, timber, anything- the Kivu part by Rwanda - through their rebels - and foot soldiers.

I think these misadventures are from Raila - friendship with Tshiekedi. Uhuru might have been shown gold bars - and he want it too. The only problem those Tutsi are lethal.

Tsikedi come from south congo towards Angola - Lumumbashi and he has his mineral game there - but i think they want the eastern part of Congo - and that is where you run into Museveni and Kagame.

Interesting...I've seen Rwanda and Uganda export these conglose minerals and earn $1BN each annually..I think the real figures these two gentlemen pockets millions of dollars...Both museveni and Kagame are tutsi,M7 is the Ugandan tutsi called banyarwanda and their friendship stems from protecting each other,then we have the Congolese tutsi in kivu called byamulenga who are armed by both Rwanda and Uganda.. So you have tutsi in Rwanda Uganda and Kivu/DRC who protect each other....The UNWRITTEN RULE is that DRC president must never interfere with their $2-$3BN mineral/gold/tin/cobalt business,If he dares they March all the way to Kinshasa...Now that's the Kivu conflict.

Question is What is Uhuru interest in this crisis?Does he bank the cash for them?Is Uhuru Raila and Tsihshekedi in a deal to oust M7 and Kagame and take over the business?

Very DANGEROUS and high stakes business.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2022, 05:31:03 PM »
Gold and timber business run by both Rwandan and Ugandan military is the issue here as exposed by Pundit. Since the military of both countries run it, not very easy to stop as the military boys are used to receiving big $ from these ventures.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2022, 05:31:52 PM »
Problem with Museveni and Kagame are not seeing the big picture, they are not playing the long game.
If the mineral business in Eastern Congo is done legitimately, what Kagame and Museveni are earning from the smugglers is peanuts compared to the value of total trade it can create.
Lithium and cobalt are the new money minerals DRC seems to have tonnes of, there may just be a bigger player behind Uhuru.
Problem is who will bell the cat, Tanzania for some reason is sitting this one out

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2022, 06:02:45 PM »
Typical African leaders. They want to cash in now and do not think of tomorrow.

Problem with Museveni and Kagame are not seeing the big picture, they are not playing the long game.
If the mineral business in Eastern Congo is done legitimately, what Kagame and Museveni are earning from the smugglers is peanuts compared to the value of total trade it can create.
Lithium and cobalt are the new money minerals DRC seems to have tonnes of, there may just be a bigger player behind Uhuru.
Problem is who will bell the cat, Tanzania for some reason is sitting this one out

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2022, 06:03:42 PM »
Rwanda and Uganda will enter if their proxy rebels get a hiding from KDF - and KDF will have to pull out - because they cannot fight Ugandans and Rwandese in Congo forest. They will be ripped apart - because how do you move heavy equipment through Uganda and Rwanda - to go fight Uganda and Rwanda.

Kenya should stay away from this war....as much as we want to help DRC...we should go for TRADE...and leave minerals.

Equity bank is mining more GOLD in the unbanked population that what Rwanda and Uganda are getting.

So KDF should pull out. Leave minerals. Let sell milk, tea, coffee, banking services, hotels, name it to DRC. Otherwise dont misuse KDF In personal ventures without parliamentary approval. Sijui REGIONAL force.

Tanzania have been there - they got a hidding from congolese rebels backed by Rwanda and Uganda.

Problem with Museveni and Kagame are not seeing the big picture, they are not playing the long game.
If the mineral business in Eastern Congo is done legitimately, what Kagame and Museveni are earning from the smugglers is peanuts compared to the value of total trade it can create.
Lithium and cobalt are the new money minerals DRC seems to have tonnes of, there may just be a bigger player behind Uhuru.
Problem is who will bell the cat, Tanzania for some reason is sitting this one out

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2022, 08:02:38 PM »
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Museveni came dressed as a soldier while Tanzania was president was missing in action.

I remember when president Habyarimana of Rwanda hosted Museveni in 1987 for a two day state visit and the meetings which were held in Tanzania in late 80s upto mid 1990s in Uganda Rwanda DRC and Burundi.

Somebody doesn't understand East African history.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2022, 08:17:38 PM »
Mlevi is listening to Odinga - a poodle of Tsekedi - he went begging last week for funding from DRC - who are trying to use Kenya - as counter-force against M7 and Kagame - those Tutsi dont joke. They have seen genocide and have lived as refugees. M7 and Kagame those are deadly. Apart from South Sudan guy who also has no time for Uhuru - they are soldiers who have killed and dont care about killings if you stand on their way - as the minority upper class of central africa.

They just came for PR purpose - otherwise they probably called Ruto after that meeting - and told him - call us in August - when this mlevi and his idiot Raila are done.

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Museveni came dressed as a soldier while Tanzania was president was missing in action.

I remember when president Habyarimana of Rwanda hosted Museveni in 1987 for a two day state visit and the meetings which were held in Tanzania in late 80s upto mid 1990s in Uganda Rwanda DRC and Burundi.

Somebody doesn't understand East African history.

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2022, 09:10:20 PM »
I have read some history and Tutsis are originally cushites something of sort....they used to be pastoralists.....they hate Jaluo/Nilotes...they really suffered under Obote 1,Idi Amin,Obote 2 and Tito okello..When these Luo leaders were presidents of Uganda they would support Habyarimana regime which was hutu and had exiled Tutsis to neighbouring countries..in fact tutsi banyarwanda (Uganda) tutsi byamulenga (drc tutsi) speak same language as kikuyu..they are basically kikuyu...So the thought of them having a Luo president in Kenya who is scheming with the drc president Tsihshekedi to alter their balance of power is mind boggling...If Museveni/Kagame would overthrow the government of Uganda Rwanda Burundi and DRC..If they can hunt their opponents in any capital of the world..If Kagame could hijack a plane in in Dubai with hotel Rwanda actor to Kigali..these are really bad boy.

Sitting in the same table with a person who has overthrown four governments hunted opponents in exile survived genocide defeated coups and stiffled opposition and trying to advise him is the most useless thing to do.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2022, 09:24:36 PM »
You didnt quite get it.
Tutsi are either Cushitic or Nilotic - who made their way with their cattle into central africa - and colonized the bantus.
Few Cushites or Nilotes managed to cross the tse tse fly belt that run from Senegal to coast of Tanzania.
That tse tse belt was deadly for cattles - so pastoralist didnt make it past it - they simply turned back when their cattle died
 - apart from a few - like a tribe in Namibia - and Tutsi and related.
The whole sub-saharan therefore became a Bantu land - because they were into agricluture - and didnt keep cattle.
Supra-sahara - above the tse tse fly belt became cattle kingdom.

The Tutsi speak Bantu language...but they are not bantus. Cut from the main cushitic stock their language died.
They for 500yrs or more have colonized Bantus.
 When Mzungu came - wherever they found structures - they continued with it.
So they continued with Tutsi kings and whole feudal system.
It's unlike anything you'll see in Kenya.
From Mbarara to Burundi...you will see very strange land ownership...one Tutsi family in the hill...owning one or two hills....the Hutus or Ankoles in small corner at the bottom growing bananas.
Tutsi for me are without doubt the richest of East Africa Tribes - kikuyus you got nothing on Tutsi.
Those guys live like Mzungu  colonizer and the bantus live in a reserve in a corner.

Anyway when Belgium and Brits left of course - democracy was restored - Kingdom were ejected.
People voted.
Hutus being majority won - and the power balance changed.

They started avenging the 500yrs of Tutsi domination - and series of revenge genocide saw Kagame and Museveni in refugeee camps as 5yrs old.
That was in Rwanda.

In Uganda - Buganda (pure Bantu kingdom) had also be made co-rulers by the Brits - and when democracy came -
Luos of Uganda won under Obote.
Not because of population - but more because Luos were more educated.

And Obote kicked Buganda kingdom, Museveni people Kingdom (western uganda is mostly similar to Rwanda)
And installed Luo military rule
It was like Raila thing - top generals were Luos - and they were harsh.
Before Ugandans got full dose of Luo leadership - Idi Amin came and continue again - with same Nilotic harsh dictatorship.
This time with Nubians and his small tribe.
Nubians in East Africa are motley collection of South Sudanase tribes captured as slaves in Sudan and Egypt
And made dogs of war - and brought by British to help fight in East Africa.

In a sense the Luos had replaced the Tutsi as the guys sitting on Uganda bantus.

But as it normally problem with Luos = everyone want to be the top - so they engaged in civil war.
One month a new president. Next month overthrown.
Uganda in 2yrs saw  I think six or four Luo presidents :)

Eventually Museveni Tutsi said enough is enough - they got support from Tanzania - and fought.
Then spend the next decade fighting Luos - who run to South Sudan and DRC Congo - and having been in military kept Museveni busy

Of course Museveni ended up massacring many Luos.

And that is the problem btw Museveni and Luos.

He see Luos more as competition on who will sit on the Bantus.
He already knows Raila has regional ambition in South Sudan, Uganda and now even in Congo.

Museveni is not amused that Raila is trying to use kDF to take Tutsi pie in DRC congo - he knows Luo leaders are very ambitious people.
Raila has not even waited to be PORK but already want to play in DRC congo.

I have read some history and Tutsis are originally cushites something of sort....they used to be pastoralists.....they hate Jaluo/Nilotes...they really suffered under Obote 1,Idi Amin,Obote 2 and Tito okello..When these Luo leaders were presidents of Uganda they would support Habyarimana regime which was hutu and had exiled Tutsis to neighbouring countries..in fact tutsi banyarwanda (Uganda) tutsi byamulenga (drc tutsi) speak same language as kikuyu..they are basically kikuyu...So the thought of them having a Luo president in Kenya who is scheming with the drc president Tsihshekedi to alter their balance of power is mind boggling...If Museveni/Kagame would overthrow the government of Uganda Rwanda Burundi and DRC..If they can hunt their opponents in any capital of the world..If Kagame could hijack a plane in in Dubai with hotel Rwanda actor to Kigali..these are really bad boy.

Sitting in the same table with a person who has overthrown four governments hunted opponents in exile survived genocide defeated coups and stiffled opposition and trying to advise him is the most useless thing to do.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2022, 10:22:10 PM »
Museveni sending military message to Mlevi and Raila. Kama unataka vita utapata.


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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2022, 03:19:25 AM »
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They just came for PR purpose - otherwise they probably called Ruto after that meeting - and told him - call us in August - when this mlevi and his idiot Raila are done
:D :D :D

Why even bother showing up for PR purposes? Just call uhuru and tell him to cancel this silliness

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2022, 07:36:32 AM »
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They just came for PR purpose - otherwise they probably called Ruto after that meeting - and told him - call us in August - when this mlevi and his idiot Raila are done
:D :D :D

Why even bother showing up for PR purposes? Just call uhuru and tell him to cancel this silliness

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/news/east-africa/drc-now-suspends-bilateral-trade-agreements-with-rwanda-3850362

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/news/east-africa/drc-now-suspends-bilateral-trade-agreements-with-rwanda-3850362

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/exclusive-congo-reviewing-6-bln-mining-deal-with-chinese-investors-finmin-2021-08-27/

I think they wanted to tell him face to face.

So Kabila gave the chinese 70% of the minerals deal and the rest to museveni and Kagame...It seems Museveni and Kagame installed Tsihshekedi with a gentleman deal that he should maintain the status quo...Tsihshekedi has refused to honour the deal..He is kicking China Rwanda and Uganda OUT..

I think the $2-$4BN UG  & RW gets from illegal DRC  trade is used to finance their armies,rebel groups,weapon mercenaries and some people in western capitals who trade in these valuables,Once the illegal trade stops and money stops flowing..you will have these rebel starved off money and surrender or change allegiance to Tsishekedi..that means they can match to Kigali and Kampala.

It seem like war has been declared.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2022, 07:48:06 AM »
I hope nobody send kenya soldiers (let them send their sons)- already kenya transporters are getting hit - leave that theatre to UG, RW and DRC. Kenya has no business in DRC Congo. UG and RW will pretend to work with KDF while funding and arming the rebels - who will kill our soldiers.

How do you accept to be part of regional force with same UG and RW funding the enemy?

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They just came for PR purpose - otherwise they probably called Ruto after that meeting - and told him - call us in August - when this mlevi and his idiot Raila are done
:D :D :D

Why even bother showing up for PR purposes? Just call uhuru and tell him to cancel this silliness

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/news/east-africa/drc-now-suspends-bilateral-trade-agreements-with-rwanda-3850362

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/news/east-africa/drc-now-suspends-bilateral-trade-agreements-with-rwanda-3850362

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/exclusive-congo-reviewing-6-bln-mining-deal-with-chinese-investors-finmin-2021-08-27/

I think they wanted to tell him face to face.

So Kabila gave the chinese 70% of the minerals deal and the rest to museveni and Kagame...It seems Museveni and Kagame installed Tsihshekedi with a gentleman deal that he should maintain the status quo...Tsihshekedi has refused to honour the deal..He is kicking China Rwanda and Uganda OUT..

I think the $2-$4BN UG  & RW gets from illegal DRC  trade is used to finance their armies,rebel groups,weapon mercenaries and some people in western capitals who trade in these valuables,Once the illegal trade stops and money stops flowing..you will have these rebel starved off money and surrender or change allegiance to Tsishekedi..that means they can match to Kigali and Kampala.

It seem like war has been declared.

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2022, 11:22:17 AM »
ufool has made a joke of the National Security Council in fighting hasora. It has been five year of blunders and destruction of young COK 2010 institutions.
I underestimated the heartbreaks visited by hasla revolution

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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2022, 09:31:09 PM »
People getting kiled on the border between rwanda and drc..uhuru proposes a regional force in the border..then drc agrees on regional army with reservations that Rwanda must not be part of that regional force..then few days later Kagame and Museveni fly to Nairobi today?

Something crazy seems to be happening there.

Kagame(and Tutsis) has been causing problems in that part since 1994.  Uganda too, to a lesser extent.  It doesn't help that the government in Kinshasa has almost no control of the region.  I used to think the solution was breaking up DRC.  But this meeting suggests that they have different plans.  It's clear Tshisekedi sees Kenya as an ally.
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Re: What is the Tsihshekedi Kagame war about?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2022, 09:41:24 PM »
I think their entry into East Africa now make sense - it was to one of their ways to incapacitate Rw and UG. The same way Somalia tried to enter EAC to render Kenya adventures north ineffective - because as EAC federation - it becomes harder to fight member states.

I pray they dont see KDF as mercenaries - the French colonies have failed to develop their armed forces - prefering to hire mercenaries from all over the world - if they cannot ask Paris to send french troops - whenver they have security challenges. They may bee seeing KDF as mercenaries for hire.

  It's clear Tshisekedi sees Kenya as an ally.