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Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« on: June 05, 2022, 09:22:56 PM »
Concentrate on build -to -own

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2022, 11:03:56 PM »
The man should learn to think before talking.

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2022, 11:07:51 PM »
There is nothing wrong with it;
It just susceptible to propaganda;
Otherwise Nairobi or Kenya is possibly one few places on earth where 95 percent of people rent.
You dont find that even in other East Africa countries.
When I live in Kampala - even a bar maid can afford to buy plot and build.

Rent of 8K - annually is 100K - and in 15yrs - that is about 2M - a house renting for 8k is price maybe 1m per unit.
Therefore there is solid maths for mortagage industry to take off.

We cannot continue being a country of now 30,000 mortgages - when they are at least 12 million households.

The issue is where will money come from...

Simple...housing levy of 10 percent of income for everyone....and increase in NSSF pension scheme....we are still paying 500 or 100shs that we paid in 1990s...
Bring Chinese.

All these were already captured in Big 4 housing thing.

Implementation just failed.

The man should learn to think before talking.

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2022, 11:13:49 PM »
Urban household who rent - in Africa - Kenya I think is off charts - 90 percent.

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2022, 11:25:56 PM »
Kenya is 78 percent for renting..22 percent for owning..with only 30,000 mortgages..it unacceptable and create deep poverty

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2022, 01:33:37 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2022, 02:07:46 AM »
You start from wrong footing - Big 4 was not revealed until after 2017 election.
Those of us who follows these things know better than you do.
Big 4 was 1st announced in Jamhuri of 2017 - long after election.
It was a solid plan that addressed all your concerns.
The housing sector was easiest to pull.
It looked both at supply and demand side issues....and pretty much proposed straightforward solution.
There was 24 billion dollars plus worth of commitment that came through.
But Uhuru started his misguided war with Ruto - then found himself doing BBI - and only delivered 2,000 units.

Output:  BIG 4 failed. BBI failed. War against ruto failed.

The mlevi screwball just cannot get anything right - and combined with legendary failure Raila - you can expect the usual nonsense of we are cross roads tiala tibim nonsense.

Big 4 housing document is out there - Ruto will not add a comma to it - in his upcoming manifesto.
It addresses all those concerns - again both supply and demand side of housing - and is solid plan.
Ruto was central in formulation of Big 4 - which was suppose to be next phase after infrastructure was done.
Mlevi took over - and of course it all collapsed.
What did get off ground - few units - that Kenya mortgage refinancing - and that was pretty it.
Before long - housing was dumped - and it became Kazi Mtaani.

There are many long term funds - both internally and externally looking for investment in real estate like in Kenya.
All gov need to do is to de-risk the sector - and it can easily do that - if it's serious.
2ndly housing main intention apart from providing houses - is to generate at least two million mjengo jobs.

It can be done. It will be done. Ruto did it with low seal volume roads. When they got problems - they solved those problems.

Raila is obviously too senile to do anything serious and has detoriated so much he is back to "disease, poverty and ingorance".

Back to housing - there is no new money required - people are paying rent in Nairobi that can easily become mortgage - people just need to raise 10-20 percent deposit - then continue to pay their normal rent. That housing levy was suppose to prepare people to raise 10-20 percent deposit - then banks will take care of the rest - as long as mortgage = rent - any extra would be refinanced by gov.

If I am not wrong anybody paying at least 8-10K rent per month can easily convert that rent to mortgage if gov does few things - that are all well enumerated in big 4 housing plan. Cheapest unit can be delivered at 1m...that nice one bedroom or studio...that person can pay 8K and in 15yrs own it...they just need 200K deposit.

And Chinese are by far the best - for they bring scale - and execute projects on time and on budget.


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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2022, 02:31:42 AM »
You start from wrong footing - Big 4 was not revealed until after 2017 election.
Those of us who follows these things know better than you do.
Big 4 was 1st announced in Jamhuri of 2017 - long after election.
It was a solid plan that addressed all your concerns.
The housing sector was easiest to pull.
It looked both at supply and demand side issues....and pretty much proposed straightforward solution.
There was 24 billion dollars plus worth of commitment that came through.
But Uhuru started his misguided war with Ruto - then found himself doing BBI - and only delivered 2,000 units.

Output:  BIG 4 failed. BBI failed. War against ruto failed.

The mlevi screwball just cannot get anything right - and combined with legendary failure Raila - you can expect the usual nonsense of we are cross roads tiala tibim nonsense.

Big 4 housing document is out there - Ruto will not add a comma to it - in his upcoming manifesto.
It addresses all those concerns - again both supply and demand side of housing - and is solid plan.
Ruto was central in formulation of Big 4 - which was suppose to be next phase after infrastructure was done.
Mlevi took over - and of course it all collapsed.
What did get off ground - few units - that Kenya mortgage refinancing - and that was pretty it.
Before long - housing was dumped - and it became Kazi Mtaani.

There are many long term funds - both internally and externally looking for investment in real estate like in Kenya.
All gov need to do is to de-risk the sector - and it can easily do that - if it's serious.
2ndly housing main intention apart from providing houses - is to generate at least two million mjengo jobs.

It can be done. It will be done. Ruto did it with low seal volume roads. When they got problems - they solved those problems.

Raila is obviously too senile to do anything serious and has detoriated so much he is back to "disease, poverty and ingorance".

Back to housing - there is no new money require - people are paying rent in Nairobi that can easily become mortgage - people just need to raise 10-20 percent deposit - then continue to pay their normal rent. That housing levy was suppose to prepare people to raise 10-20 percent deposit - then banks will take care of the rest - as long as mortgage = rent.


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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2022, 06:55:16 AM »
Without the 1b dollars housing levy that 25b cannot be unlocked.Its that simple.The court told gov to fix few issues but uhuru slept and focused on BBI nonsense

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2022, 07:59:54 AM »
He is trying to mobilize luhya luhya kisii votes who are about 700k in Nairobi...remember majority landlords in areas like kawangware are Kikuyu.This can turn into serious class warfare and mutate to ethnic conflict.Its a very bad statements and he needs to measure his words in such volatile areas like kawangware slums.

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2022, 08:14:08 AM »
It only dangerous because Raila has used such propaganda before  - so Ruto should avoid it. Raila started landlord tiff with Kibra Nubians in early 90s. So this hot potato that Ruto should be aware. I know he wants fix housing situation but anything touching landlords and their property - even willing seller buyer - leave it alone. Concretrate on two million housing deficit.
He is trying to mobilize luhya luhya kisii votes who are about 700k in Nairobi...remember majority landlords in areas like kawangware are Kikuyu.This can turn into serious class warfare and mutate to ethnic conflict.Its a very bad statements and he needs to measure his words in such volatile areas like kawangware slums.

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2022, 08:23:13 AM »
It only dangerous because Raila has used such propaganda before  - so Ruto should avoid it. Raila started landlord tiff with Kibra Nubians in early 90s. So this hot potato that Ruto should be aware. I know he wants fix housing situation but anything touching landlords and their property - even willing seller buyer - leave it alone. Concretrate on two million housing deficit.
He is trying to mobilize luhya luhya kisii votes who are about 700k in Nairobi...remember majority landlords in areas like kawangware are Kikuyu.This can turn into serious class warfare and mutate to ethnic conflict.Its a very bad statements and he needs to measure his words in such volatile areas like kawangware slums.

Royal media Nation media standard and media max will make this the agenda this week.

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2022, 08:27:47 AM »
The good thing like madodoa or pev thing - four fingers will point at Raila - everytime you point a finger to Ruto. Whatever imagined crime they want to accuse Ruto - Raila is almost guilty of 10 ten times worse.

This is why this election is walk over for Ruto.

Royal media Nation media standard and media max will make this the agenda this week.

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2022, 11:27:14 AM »
Centum puts it at 90%.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1387623338371464

There is so much idle land served by infrastructure while people are moving to crazy places like Kamulu, Mavoko, Ruiru, Juja. Too much unproductivity due to jams, stress.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2022, 11:29:11 AM »
This fits within the hasora narrative. The kikuyu slumlords are already with babaman. The hasoras are pressed by rents since covid.

Who knows it could be a missile aimed at Northlands development.

The good thing like madodoa or pev thing - four fingers will point at Raila - everytime you point a finger to Ruto. Whatever imagined crime they want to accuse Ruto - Raila is almost guilty of 10 ten times worse.

This is why this election is walk over for Ruto.

Royal media Nation media standard and media max will make this the agenda this week.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2022, 02:40:14 PM »
Northland will be complusorly acquired for cheap n given to Chinese to build hasola resident..those 11,000 acres are ideal

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2022, 06:15:58 PM »
They will parade all sorts of Hail Mary proposals from now till elections in desperate attempt to woo voters 😂

Hustler prokopanda - failed

County charter - stillborn

Now its rent to own - own goal

They won't get traction with  pro poor policies because raia realizes BABA cares for the downtrodden more than mwizi.

They should appeal to different segment.

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2022, 06:25:32 PM »
They will parade all sorts of Hail Mary proposals from now till elections in desperate attempt to woo voters 😂

Hustler prokopanda - failed

County charter - stillborn

Now its rent to own - own goal

They won't get traction with  pro poor policies because raia realizes BABA cares for the downtrodden more than mwizi.

They should appeal to different segment.
Raila has been campaigning nationally since 1991; DP started in 2012 and they are 55/45 in favor of DP. I don't see Raila beating Ruto if he couldn't beat senile Moi, slow Kibaki, and laz Uhuru. Ruto is energetic, moneyed, sobber, PhD holder, team Organizer, mobilizer, and mountain & RV kingpin, and above all, Christian base hero. It will be very extremely hard to beat him. Uhuru so far has spend over over 100 Billion from 2018 to the detriment of Kenya economy to beat Ruto [BBI et al; Kizimia et all] but the man is still charging forward like a hurricane. 
The future belongs to those who have a quarter of the character and integrity of RV Heavy Hitter!

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Re: Ruto should avoid this rent-to-own - slipperly propaganda
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2022, 06:27:24 PM »
Babaman has included pesa mfukoni in his manifesto.Problem with herding cows - no intellectual thought. No campaign message.
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2022, 06:32:35 PM »
They are actually waiting for Ruto manifesto to plagarize.
He was to launch few weeks ago but they have nothing.
Just wait and see.
They wont launch anything until Ruto moves.
Then they will do a quick dirty job of copy-pasting.

Ruto is in catch 22 - because Raila is brain dead - just waiting to copy-paste - and make the work of 200 experts look like a joke.

Babaman has included pesa mfukoni in his manifesto.Problem with herding cows - no intellectual thought. No campaign message.