CJ Koome: Impeached and Convicted Politicians Barred UNTIL Verdict Nullified

[Dear Mami]

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Finally, we are starting to turn a corner, on the mend since Uhuruto murdered Chapter Six.

[Dear Mami]

Yaani, upon impeachment or criminal conviction, you are out while you do your appeals. When your appeal is successful, then you can come back  That's how it should be. High Court already barred IEBC, this should further solidify manenos for the courts as they weigh this, methinks.

[RV Pundit]

She should keep her opinion to herself.
She should only do so in the court.

This one need to be removed.

[Githunguri]

Koome should keep off politics...Let the PEOPLE decide.The moment you use courts of law to bar someone from running and he is 100% sure of winning,You will meet his wrath on the streets...that's what normally happens but some of these people are too naive to understand.

[Nowayhaha]

So now you agree with us. You were praising her then.

She should keep her opinion to herself.
She should only do so in the court.

This one need to be removed.

[RV Pundit]

So now you agree with us. You were praising her then.

She should keep her opinion to herself.
She should only do so in the court.

This one need to be removed.

look like she only good in family law..but she killed BBI.Next election she is Azimio coz Martha is a friend.So like BBI Ruto need to beat Raila by huge mile Koome is a now a certified moron..if not doing prayers..she is discussing legal issues on tv

[RV Pundit]

Koome should keep off politics...Let the PEOPLE decide.The moment you use courts of law to bar someone from running and he is 100% sure of winning,You will meet his wrath on the streets...that's what normally happens but some of these people are too naive to understand.

She should only speak in her judgements..that prize to pay by being a judge.You zip up.You only speak in court.For her she speaks with finality as supreme court judge.This woman is crazy ...mara she was sitting with matiangi to plan Iebc work...took reminding to make her see sense

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

God forbid we bar a murderer from running for or holding an office.

[RV Pundit]

You cannot restrict people from exercising power directly without sufficient reason.
If people want a murderer - they will elect a murderer.
Uhuru is a murderer - murdered many in Naivasha and elsewhere by financing retalitorary attacks using Mungiki, then later on to murderer the same Mungiki, NGO witnesses like Olur, Musando and many others. You can estimate Uhuru murders in highs of 100s.
But kenyans we say we think he is better than Raila - who murdered 1500 people in 1982 coup and 2007 was also responsible for violence.
Raila murders are in highs of thousands. 82 coup alone must be a lot. His violent politics since 1990s till to date has seen many murders in Kibra, Kisumu and wherever he has support base.

And yet some Kenyans love him - and we cannot stop him with legal mumbo jumbo - we stop him at the ballot by rejecting murderers and conmen.

God forbid we bar a murderer from running for or holding an office.

[Dear Mami]

You cannot restrict people from exercising power directly without sufficient reason.

Impeachment and criminal convictions are very sufficient reasons in every sane universe.

[RV Pundit]

You cannot restrict people from exercising power directly without sufficient reason.

Impeachment and criminal convictions are very sufficient reasons in every sane universe.

After they have completely exhausted their appeals process...Sonko is in supreme court.That the constitution.Many believe Sonko was impeached with fake voting from COVID protocols.

[RV Pundit]

Martha karua the later day heroine has run all the way past supreme court to east Africa cout of justice and may end up in ICJ for loosing kirinyanga

[Nowayhaha]

When I told you Uhuru henchmen rigged her and Ouko in you digressed.
She will either be impeached or she will resign. Ruto will take control of JSC after elections.

So now you agree with us. You were praising her then.

She should keep her opinion to herself.
She should only do so in the court.

This one need to be removed.

look like she only good in family law..but she killed BBI.Next election she is Azimio coz Martha is a friend.So like BBI Ruto need to beat Raila by huge mile Koome is a now a certified moron..if not doing prayers..she is discussing legal issues on tv

[RV Pundit]

I believe nobody is an angel. I like to give chance to everyone.I think she did well in BBI - Lenaola suprised me by his shallow BBI ruling. Njoki need to be removed somehow.

For Ruto - a compromised person is easy to compromise - so they will be kneeling before Ruto faster than they did to Uhuru.

Certainly Ruto should prepare for a re-run because Uhuru has almost half of supreme court - and they could annual his victory - so pesa asimalize. He should save for the re-run.

When I told you Uhuru henchmen rigged her and Ouko in you digressed.
She will either be impeached or she will resign. Ruto will take control of JSC after elections.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yaani, upon impeachment or criminal conviction, you are out while you do your appeals. When your appeal is successful, then you can come back  That's how it should be. High Court already barred IEBC, this should further solidify manenos for the courts as they weigh this, methinks.

[Dear Mami]

You cannot restrict people from exercising power directly without sufficient reason.

Impeachment and criminal convictions are very sufficient reasons in every sane universe.

After they have completely exhausted their appeals process...Sonko is in supreme court.That the constitution.Many believe Sonko was impeached with fake voting from COVID protocols.

I don't believe that interpretation of the constitution is proper: it was adopted in Kenya because of ICC 2013 manenos. It would've never become law otherwise.

What Koome says is a rational interpretation of the Constitution. Once you're convicted by Senate or a Court, you cannot serve office unless that decision is overturned. Indeed, as Termie says, that is already a very low bar. To say that a CONVICT (not even an accused waiting to be investigated but someone already found guilty in some fashion after a formal due process) should continue till you exhaust appeals is not found anywhere in the constitution and in fact makes a complete mockery of Chapter Six. It's not a fundamental right to serve any public office, so you go and clear your name first. You don't stink the public office while we wait for you to exhaust appeals as if you're on death row or something. 50 million other citizens can serve.

It was only Mutunga's cowardice that allowed all this. I don't believe this current post-Maraga ourt would've let that be law because the effect is to repeal Chapter Six.

[RV Pundit]

That has merit.
I can now see where she comes from...but I believe she should wait patiently until the case reaches her...unless she intend to recluse herself.
UhuRuto were suspect.
Sonko has been impeached.
Sirisia Waluke has been convincted but is out on bail.
So I can see the difference btw being tried, and being found guilty - but on appeal
I believe MPS (PSA members led by Ruto, Uhuru, Raila, Martha - Naivasha crew) - who were resolving issues that COE did not - deliberately disallowed chapter six on MPs, Governors and PORK.
We cannot cure that by legal gymnastics. We have to ammend the constitution.
But in the meantime nobody is applying chapter six on appointed official
So we have a long way to go - we have people not elected behaving with impunity.

If we were to allow anybody tried for any offence to be out of office - gov will enact dictatorship - by trying their opponents.

So that is a no - for suspect being tried - let us argue about Sonko and Waluke status now - for they have been found to be guilty.

You cannot restrict people from exercising power directly without sufficient reason.

Impeachment and criminal convictions are very sufficient reasons in every sane universe.

After they have completely exhausted their appeals process...Sonko is in supreme court.That the constitution.Many believe Sonko was impeached with fake voting from COVID protocols.

I don't believe that interpretation of the constitution is proper: it was adopted in Kenya because of ICC 2013 manenos. It would've never become law otherwise.

What Koome says is a rational interpretation of the Constitution. Once you're convicted by Senate or a Court, you cannot serve office unless that decision is overturned. Indeed, as Termie says, that is already a very low bar. To say that a CONVICT (not even an accused waiting to be investigated but someone already found guilty in some fashion after a formal due process) should continue till you exhaust appeals is not found anywhere in the constitution and in fact makes a complete mockery of Chapter Six. It's not a fundamental right to serve any public office, so you go and clear your name first. You don't stink the public office while we wait for you to exhaust appeals as if you're on death row or something. 50 million other citizens can serve.

It was only Mutunga's cowardice that allowed all this. I don't believe this current post-Maraga ourt would've let that be law because the effect is to repeal Chapter Six.

[Pragmatic]

You cannot restrict people from exercising power directly without sufficient reason.

Impeachment and criminal convictions are very sufficient reasons in every sane universe.

After they have completely exhausted their appeals process...Sonko is in supreme court.That the constitution.Many believe Sonko was impeached with fake voting from COVID protocols.

I don't believe that interpretation of the constitution is proper: it was adopted in Kenya because of ICC 2013 manenos. It would've never become law otherwise.

What Koome says is a rational interpretation of the Constitution. Once you're convicted by Senate or a Court, you cannot serve office unless that decision is overturned. Indeed, as Termie says, that is already a very low bar. To say that a CONVICT (not even an accused waiting to be investigated but someone already found guilty in some fashion after a formal due process) should continue till you exhaust appeals is not found anywhere in the constitution and in fact makes a complete mockery of Chapter Six. It's not a fundamental right to serve any public office, so you go and clear your name first. You don't stink the public office while we wait for you to exhaust appeals as if you're on death row or something. 50 million other citizens can serve.

It was only Mutunga's cowardice that allowed all this. I don't believe this current post-Maraga ourt would've let that be law because the effect is to repeal Chapter Six.

[RV Pundit]

That would kill democracy. All gov would do is to bring anybody they dont like before a law of court and accuse them of serious crimes.

Let talk about Waluke now. He has been found guilty. That is different. Sonko also stand impeached. That is different - I believe their status is not that of an innocent person but a condemned person trying to overturn a guilty verdict.

So let see if Mativo will resolve the case of Sonko and Walukes - because a convicted murderer in jail or out (like in kenya) can appeal for 20yrs - but he remain convicted.

But wording for qualification for MP/Gov/PORK is very clear - Sonko and Waluke should run.

[Pragmatic]

That would kill democracy. All gov would do is to bring anybody they dont like before a law of court and accuse them of serious crimes. Let talk about Waluke now. He has been found guilty. That is different. Sonko also stand impeached. That is different - I believe their status is not that of an innocent person but a condemned person trying to overturn a verdict.