Njamba - be careful supporting Azimio in central

[RV Pundit]

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I remember last week when I was in Kericho. The bar man told me that Kalenjin supporting Azimio need to go slow or underground. My bro is Raila damu - I had to call him and warn him to go slow - but I am sure he wont listen.My father was Kibaki damu and escaped the beating narrowly - his rental business didnt. Now if 2022 is mismanaged - I see a scenario - where there is civil war in GEMA nation - the few supporting Raila will be face the wrath - this especially if there is economic angle (privelleged middle class versus poor) - and this is also if Mt kenya diaspora have to escape out of caution or real war - they will come and go for privellege azimio guys.

[KenyanPlato]

There won't be violence in my place. No one cares deeply about this election. Not even in upper lari. Only the politically addicted like us who are tuned in. Most are not even going to vote. It is a Lukewarm election like 1988 during mlolomgo. They see it as a waste of time. Rural githunguri is awash with money so people don't feel a lot of pinch. Actually most jamaas have relocated to gichagi to wait out covid impact on business. Actually all non kikuyus are given an option to stay or be taken home before elections. Most opt to stay and we assure their security

[RV Pundit]

1952 lari remember started in olenguorene eviction of peasant and dumping them in lari..by Italian recently freed prisoners of wars...they blamed the homeguards.I see parallel here where Uhuru n his homeguards get blamed by diaspora..it's  not 2007 United front..it's dynasty hanging their poor to dry.A chain reaction.Be aware of such risks..mau mau versus homeguards civil war..now it's verbal..but machettes never far

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

Priscilla Nyokabi in Nyeri is in Azzimio/Jubilee, but want her voters to vote Ruto on top. Good Jubilee candidates in central are so misaligned! They are actively campaigning but telling their voters to vote them in but to vote for the president of their choice.

[RV Pundit]

Priscilla Nyokabi in Nyeri is in Azzimio/Jubilee, but want her voters to vote Ruto on top. Good Jubilee candidates in central are so misaligned! They are actively campaigning but telling their voters to vote them in but to vote for the president of their choice.

Ground ndio kusema..

[KenyanPlato]

1952 lari remember started in olenguorene eviction of peasant and dumping them in lari..by Italian recently freed prisoners of wars...they blamed the homeguards.I see parallel here where Uhuru n his homeguards get blamed by diaspora..it's  not 2007 United front..it's dynasty hanging their poor to dry.A chain reaction.Be aware of such risks..mau mau versus homeguards civil war..now it's verbal..but machettes never far

You are deluded Pundit. No one in Central wants to fight the old wars. Not even against kaelnjins. My kin who were lendered homeless in 2007 pev have rebuilt their life and moved on. Even lari massacre was more of mau mau signature attack to make a statement. First plan wax to blow oil pipeline depots in nairobi but this was voted against because it would impact mau mau supply lines. So mau mau killed waruhiu and kahangara to send a message they meant business

[KenyanPlato]

Priscilla Nyokabi in Nyeri is in Azzimio/Jubilee, but want her voters to vote Ruto on top. Good Jubilee candidates in central are so misaligned! They are actively campaigning but telling their voters to vote them in but to vote for the president of their choice.

Nyokabi is an idiot politically. She is a one time wonder. She is daft. Kikuyus voters hate chameleons. She will lose. She is not strategic and has flown too close to the sun and gotten confused

[RV Pundit]

This thread captures the class divide - without the Luo/Raila bogeyman - the class fissure have erupted

No uganga required. Kikuyu class divide  was always more potent than tribalism. Its been suppressed by creating external enemies, esp Luo bogeyman. But Kenyatta greed went out of control, and they themselves have neutralised the Luo bogeyman. They are the authors of their fate. https://t.co/IexXel1ZSu

— David Ndii (@DavidNdii) April 3, 2022

[KenyanPlato]

This thread captures the class divide - without the Luo/Raila bogeyman - the class fissure have erupted

No uganga required. Kikuyu class divide  was always more potent than tribalism. Its been suppressed by creating external enemies, esp Luo bogeyman. But Kenyatta greed went out of control, and they themselves have neutralised the Luo bogeyman. They are the authors of their fate. https://t.co/IexXel1ZSu

— David Ndii (@DavidNdii) April 3, 2022

No community is without class divide. It is claiming water is wet. The fight of homeguards and mau mau is over in Central. Our parents decided to move on past that fight. Kenyatta clarion call at independence is that ndungihe hiti Keri. You can make make the same mistake or fight the the same war twice. Meaning the deaths that happened cannot be avenge twice giving hyena more dead to eat. Kenyatta was a master in communication and rallying people behind a cause. He worn hearts and minds. Anyone trying to prosecute this old grievances or revive these fissures is going to fail. In lari uda candidate is a descendant of home guard Luka. He is former mp of lari. It shows how much healing there have been to elect a Luka descendant into political office in lari

[KenyanPlato]

Like I told you Ndii is a miguna of kikuyus. He fits with gatabakis very well because they are that kind of rabble routes and dysfunctional characters

[hk]

There's no class warfare in gema. Mungiki tried it and were clashed by fellow tribesmen at the local level. Education and entrepreneurship is the greatest equalizer, it used to be that the rich were only from prominent families not any more. There are no permanent underclass (caste system), todays poor might be  tomorrows "upper deck".

[Kadudu]

Pundit does not get it. Nobody in Mt Kenya will be willing to die for Ruto.
Mt Kenya folks would be the biggest loosers of any kind of violence in Kenya. They are the ones spread the most around the country and are involved in all kinds of business. In case of conflict they would loose a lot of property.
On class warfare, will the likes of Equity Bank's James Mwangi be considered a peasant or one of dynasty? We know he does not come from a rich family but made it on his own. There many lots like him and where will they be placed in a class warfare?

There's no class warfare in gema. Mungiki tried it and were clashed by fellow tribesmen at the local level. Education and entrepreneurship is the greatest equalizer, it used to be that the rich were only from prominent families not any more. There are no permanent underclass (caste system), todays poor might be  tomorrows "upper deck".

[gout]

There will always be a class struggle among the kukuyus. Kith and kin are killing over land always. You mean they won't turn savage just like mau mau did or the kalenjin if there was promise of getting Kakuzi, Delmonte lands. Or those farms stretching all the way to Githunguri??

Education in a country with little formal jobs means zilch- that is why wheelbarrows, hawkers, nduthis and buying land in far off places is a matter of life and death.

There's no class warfare in gema. Mungiki tried it and were clashed by fellow tribesmen at the local level. Education and entrepreneurship is the greatest equalizer, it used to be that the rich were only from prominent families not any more. There are no permanent underclass (caste system), todays poor might be  tomorrows "upper deck".

[KenyanPlato]

There's no class warfare in gema. Mungiki tried it and were clashed by fellow tribesmen at the local level. Education and entrepreneurship is the greatest equalizer, it used to be that the rich were only from prominent families not any more. There are no permanent underclass (caste system), todays poor might be  tomorrows "upper deck".

Indeed Hk. Every kikuyu want to be like that young mp from kiharu. No one in central believes they are condemned to poverty. What scares me is uda kalenjin branch having a poor understanding of GEMA. SCARES ME

[RV Pundit]

I have explained very very clearly.
There is already a class divided in hustler/dynasty
UDA is supported by poor mostly in GEMA
Now how does violence start.
It start in RV.
The kikiyu diaspora who are very bitter because they see Mt Kenya elite are starting unnecessary war with Kalenjin - will take the war
So bitter - I think Lee and a few guys are in Jubilee - everyone is UDA
They know Kalenjin will eventually beat them if Ruto doesnt win.
Now these people were to get beat again - evicted and all - that - they are not going to go IDP camps.
They will go to central and start with prominent dynasties.
Their stay in RV will no longer be tenable - this will be what broke the camel back.
It start with Kenyattas - and big kahunas owning large chunk of land
And then relatives will deal with Azimios in their midst.

The GEMA diaspora will be fighting Azimios like Njamba for first sending them to RV and then using them as pawns.

And I warn him to be very very careful.

GEMA proper are okay - it's JUST POLITICS of AZIMIO/UDA - But for GEMA DIASPORA THIS NOT POLITICS - this their lifes, investments and future.

Pundit does not get it. Nobody in Mt Kenya will be willing to die for Ruto.
Mt Kenya folks would be the biggest loosers of any kind of violence in Kenya. They are the ones spread the most around the country and are involved in all kinds of business. In case of conflict they would loose a lot of property.
On class warfare, will the likes of Equity Bank's James Mwangi be considered a peasant or one of dynasty? We know he does not come from a rich family but made it on his own. There many lots like him and where will they be placed in a class warfare?

There's no class warfare in gema. Mungiki tried it and were clashed by fellow tribesmen at the local level. Education and entrepreneurship is the greatest equalizer, it used to be that the rich were only from prominent families not any more. There are no permanent underclass (caste system), todays poor might be  tomorrows "upper deck".

[Kadudu]

Pundit, has it not occurred to you, you are the only one who foresees inter Gema violence while all other even UDA leaning bloggers here are not mentioning it? My take is leave Gema politics to the members of Gema like Njuri and you can keep us busy commention of RV politics and their thirst for bloodshed.

I have explained very very clearly.
There is already a class divided in hustler/dynasty
UDA is supported by poor mostly in GEMA
Now how does violence start.
It start in RV.
The kikiyu diaspora who are very bitter because they see Mt Kenya elite are starting unnecessary war with Kalenjin - will take the war
So bitter - I think Lee and a few guys are in Jubilee - everyone is UDA
They know Kalenjin will eventually beat them if Ruto doesnt win.
Now these people were to get beat again - evicted and all - that - they are not going to go IDP camps.
They will go to central and start with prominent dynasties.
Their stay in RV will no longer be tenable - this will be what broke the camel back.
It start with Kenyattas - and big kahunas owning large chunk of land
And then relatives will deal with Azimios in their midst.

The GEMA diaspora will be fighting Azimios like Njamba for first sending them to RV and then using them as pawns.

And I warn him to be very very careful.

GEMA proper are okay - it's JUST POLITICS of AZIMIO/UDA - But for GEMA DIASPORA THIS NOT POLITICS - this their lifes, investments and future.

[hk]

There will always be a class struggle among the kukuyus. Kith and kin are killing over land always. You mean they won't turn savage just like mau mau did or the kalenjin if there was promise of getting Kakuzi, Delmonte lands. Or those farms stretching all the way to Githunguri??

Education in a country with little formal jobs means zilch- that is why wheelbarrows, hawkers, nduthis and buying land in far off places is a matter of life and death.

There's no class warfare in gema. Mungiki tried it and were clashed by fellow tribesmen at the local level. Education and entrepreneurship is the greatest equalizer, it used to be that the rich were only from prominent families not any more. There are no permanent underclass (caste system), todays poor might be  tomorrows "upper deck".

You are conflating issues of land and succession problems with class warfare (the gethenji billionaires are fighting over kihingo land). The "hustlers" wheelbarrows hawkers etc are the entrepreneurs who might become millionaires (opportunity) tomorrow. Education isn't for formal employment only, an educated farmer is most likely to be more productive than an uneducated one. People buying land in urban areas and far off places is an issue of urbanization and land prices.  The rich would be the ones mostly killing each other to get the delmonte and kakuzi land not the poor. The kihiu mwiri and kiambu ranches, its the directors who slaughter each other not the poor shareholders.

[RV Pundit]

Very lame.
I can analyze anything including Russia.
Remember these things I see - you cannot see with you two brained cells - even if you're GEMA.
You need to understand how to play scenarios and the issues
And be open minded. And know some history.

For example Lari or Mau Mau in 1950s - start in 1945s in RV - with arrival of tractors - and eviction of Kikuyu poor workers by Wzungu - as their labour was no longer needed. Farms were now mechanizing - and manual digging or etc no longer required. The Italian POWS were particularly very harsh - evicted folks.

So what happens next - these people dropped by lorries in late 1940s - arrive in central to find nowhere to go.
Their relatives are living in edges of mzungu - but are unwilling to move an inch for new arrivals.

And that is how Mau Mau began. The evicted kikuyu sent to diaspora came and ask the chiefs who had evicted them to pave way for Mzungu farm - where was their land - and civil war started.

Pundit, has it not occurred to you, you are the only one who foresees inter Gema violence while all other even UDA leaning bloggers here are not mentioning it? My take is leave Gema politics to the members of Gema like Njuri and you can keep us busy commention of RV politics and their thirst for bloodshed

[Stockguru]

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