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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2022, 10:13:49 AM »


    Noway watch this interview of Colonel McGregor on the reality happening in this war.

   

I love them over at the Grey Zone! Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate are the bomb!!!

Mate actually travelled to Syria for ground research and gave evidence to the UN investigations on the Chemical attacks. I love him! He's Canadian and Jewish and the kind of leftist I identify with: genuinely anti-war/anti-imperialist.

He also humiliated Rachel Maddow on her Twitter for her Russiagate rubbish  :D with videos of all the lies she was spewing against the facts established, proving MSNBC was lying, i.e. no corrections, no retractions; just lie and move on hoping no one notices and when they do, don't respond to the critiques made or facts raised, just pivot, aka curbstomp them with the cancel culture bs. And she couldn't answer back AT ALL. It was glorious!

They are the only part of Western politics I respect. Not Rethugs or Libs, just genuinely anti-mindless-war folk. People who see the world as humans first and nations second, despite enjoying the privilege of belonging to the current hegemon.

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2022, 01:31:39 PM »
Well, I've seen the interview halfway through. Will finish later. So far it matches my own reading about the whole thing! Very reassuring to hear it from a Pentagon-experienced mind with extensive knowledge of war in general, plus Russia, Ukraine, and geopolitics.

Summary:

1) An unbelievable amount of censorship in Western media, control of narrative, and wishful thinking in place of actual reporting.

2) The West's aim seems to be to stall/avoid peace talks, keep the war dragging as long as possible in hopes of destroying the Russian state and Putin through sanctions/isolation etc.

3) Putin ordered all efforts to be made to avoid civilian casualties and unnecessary property destruction. In addition, the Russians have avoided the centre of Ukraine where the crops/fields are, which is where planting will happen in the spring. Evidence showing they have no interest in mindlessly destroying Ukraine.

4) The goal of the operation seems to be to destroy the Ukrainian forces themselves (about 60,000 troops) and control the territory, not to occupy it.

5) All evidence points to Russia having already won this war:

    *They have destroyed all Ukrainian forces except those they have surrounded, both in the East and West. This war is finished in that they essentially control everything of importance.
(He doesn't mention this but Russia has also been destroying all weapons manufacturing capability/facilities, which I think goes with this aim of destroying their fighters).

    *They've captured huge amount of Western weapons given to Ukrainians.

    *Only the Azov battalion of about 3,000 giving them trouble, holding civilian hostages, refusing to let them leave the city they occupy. There's concern that this place will experience the level of bloodshed that has been avoided elsewhere and it's a shame.

Watch the rest there. :)

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2022, 01:34:22 PM »
Affirm my thinking of Russia gameplan. End of day Ukraine will never have army - Russia will run it. The western propaganda is over the top.
Well, I've seen the interview halfway through. Will finish later. So far it matches my own reading about the whole thing! Very reassuring to hear it from a Pentagon-experienced mind with extensive knowledge of war in general, plus Russia, Ukraine, and geopolitics.

Summary:

-An unbelievable amount of censorship in Western media, control of narrative, and wishful thinking in place of actual reporting.
-The West's aim seems to be to stall/avoid peace talks, keep the war dragging as long as possible in hopes of destroying the Russian state and Putin through sanctions/isolation etc.
-Putin ordered all efforts to be made to avoid civilian casualties and unnecessary property destruction. In addition, the Russians have avoided the centre of Ukraine where the crops/fields are, which is where planting will happen in the spring. Evidence showing they have no interest in mindlessly destroying Ukraine.
-The goal of the operation seems to be to destroy the Ukrainian forces themselves (about 60,000 troops) and control the territory, not to occupy it.
-All evidence points to Russia having already won this war:
    *They have destroyed all Ukrainian forces except those they have surrounded, both in the East and West. This war is finished in that they essentially control everything of importance. (He doesn't mention this but Russia has also been destroying all weapons manufacturing capability/facilities, which I think goes with this aim of destroying their fighters).
    *They've captured huge amount of Western weapons given to Ukrainians.
    *Only the Azov battalion of about 3,000 giving them trouble, holding civilian hostages, refusing to let them leave the city they occupy. There's concern that this place will experience the level of bloodshed that has been avoided elsewhere and it's a shame.

Watch the rest there. :)

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2022, 02:58:42 PM »
Affirm my thinking of Russia gameplan. End of day Ukraine will never have army - Russia will run it. The western propaganda is over the top.

Yep, pretty much his conclusion.

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2022, 02:59:32 PM »
NATO IS AVOIDING WAR WITH RUSSIA FOR YOUR SAKE.
 NATO's decision to not close the sky over Ukraine is correct. A shooting war between Russia and NATO should be avoided as much as possible and the way the US has been evading that confrontation is simply the right thing to do.If you think it is cowardice, it is because you don't know and this post will brief you.
Let me set it out in a very brief way.
There are three types of wars:
1. Conventional war - which is fought according to the rules of war: Don't kill civilians and children, don't hit civilian infrastructure, don't shoot surrendering enemy soldiers and PoWs, etc.
2. Total war - which Russia seems to be fighting in Ukraine right now and which it fought against Chechnya in Grozny. In a total war, you just kill everybody you see and destroy everything on your way.
3. Nuclear war.
On a normal day, Russia will fall quickly of NATO engages it in a conventional or a total war and Putin has admitted that much in a speech recently. There is no contest in that. NATO's firepower is extensive and its generals are top level.
However, the mismatch will force Russia to quickly resort to 'final-solution' tactics while it can - it will launch its arsenal of nuclear weapons. Lets be quickly reminded that since the 1970s, both the West and Russia have thousands of nuclear tipped missiles already programmed to hit targets in all major cities on each other's soil. With just the press of a button, those missiles will fly out and head for their targets.
But there are difficulties. Both sides have watchmen that are not sleeping. Every inch of Russian territory is under a 24/7 scan for missile launch by the West, using flare and heat detection satellites. Russia has the same system.
 The moment a rocket motor ignites (most missiles are powered by rocket motors. Cruise missiles use air-breathing jet engines - pretty much the same used by aeroplanes, but they could be ramjets or jets with afterburners. Cruise missiles are usually called precision guided weapons), they know in the West. These missile scouts will start to track the missile or missiles and note their number, velocity and heading. They have about 10 minutes to confirm and reconfirm that missiles are being launched against the West. In this case they will mostly be ICBMs (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles). Well, despite the heavy name, they are actually simple orbital rockets that can get into orbit and then re-enter the earth at the appropriate location - above their targets. At this point, they will release their thermonuclear warheads or bombs (all modern nuclear bombs carry thermonuclear warheads, that is, warheads that uses a small hydrogen bomb to initiate a chain reaction in its main fission bomb of Plutonium or Uranium). These warheads are shaped like cones and they are about 1.2m in height with a base diameter of about 800mm. The real active ingredient, Uranium or Plutonium inside the conical device is not bigger than a football but they are packed with the horrendous power of creation itself, the power of the nucleus of an atom called the Strong Force.
Two things will then happen in line with strictly established procedures it call it Battle Order.
 Once a missile attack is detected, the US will immediately move it's president, his family, Pentagon chiefs and a few citizens into a bunker that is about 2 kilometers below the ground and under a mountain. It is suspended upon springs so it can withstand tectonic forces from a nuclear blast on the surface. The bunker contains provisions for two years to sustain the occupants. (I have seen the image somewhere about 25 years ago in maybe Times Magazine). Reporters taken there were blindfolded and flown for hours so they will not have a clear sense of direction. The location is totally secret but it is suspected that it is Nevada. It was not dug out directly but a lateral tunnel was created several miles away to this subterranean site.
1. The West will launch countermeasures at these warheads. (Usually, they will be 13 to 17 on each ICBM and at this stage, they are in their terminal altitude in space). This is the threat level the American THAAD anti-missile system is designed to contain. It will fly into space and try to steer  kill vehicles into those warheads and of course, the success rate will understandably only be partial. Some will end up successfully re-entering the earth and dive (under zero power) for their targets. At this point, the Patriot system will come into action and try to swat the warheads. The Patriot complex deals with missiles within the atmosphere.
2. Simultaneously NATO will give orders for its own missile launches and within minutes, you will see missiles rise from silos and from submarines heading East to attack preset targets. B-52s ('Stratofortress'), B1, ('Spirit') and B2 ('Bones') -all long range bombers will take off from the US, Germany and probably Japan armed with hydrogen and Plutonium bombs and head for Russia. There are also about 1,500 nuclear weapons on each side that are currently in the field, mingled with conventional weapons but known to commanders. Those are probably the most dangerous of all these arsenal of nuclear weapons because they are already and permanently dispersed in the field. All - everything will be launched within just about 30 minutes in this make or break final combat.
Everything described above from the moment one side launches its nuclear weapons will not take more than 45 to 60 minutes and it is all over. If the attack takes place at night, right here in Nigeria, if you look northwest towards Europe or east northwest towards the United States, or northeast towards Russia, you will actually see a dull glow in your night sky though you won't hear the thunder of the explosions.
The next three days or even a week will be normal although wind patterns may have become suspect.  Thereafter, you will observe that the sky is getting darker and midday seems like dusk. That is the cloud of a global thermonuclear warfare.
The sun will be screened out for months and plants will die off. This will lead to global famine, first step. Of course, global trade is already gone and the world has reverted to primitive levels. The Internet is no more and telephone services have become epileptic.
Next will come the global outbreak of all forms of cancers from radiation carried around the world by the cloud earlier described. Death will become so much more desirable than life that those alive will curse their lot.
There will be survivors of course: those who have been hidden away in military grade silos and have ample supplies to carry them for about two years.
Those who just manage to go through about three years of life as foragers and scavengers and somehow have not been killed by skin cancer, blood cancer and other forms of metastasis. They are the ones that will populate the new world and begin to try to establish a new civilization

Now you have an idea why NATO keeps avoiding fighting with Russia. It is simply to keep YOU alive.

This Naija man is right about the dangers of nuclear war, even if a bit cartoonish about "the press of a button".  Nukes, especially where Russia and USA is involved are just a Samson option.  An admission that your adversary is out of your league.  In that respect, Russia is more likely to resort to them(if they haven't been too corrupt to keep them funcational :D).

That aside, while there are no automatic "good" or "bad" guys between NATO and Russia, it's not NATO that is slaughtering Ukrainian civilians.  When NATO does something similar I call them out too.  It's puzzling how quite a few "Global Southerners" are quick to bandwagon on one side or the other.  More puzzling is the Putin water carrier - the man is a cartoon villain with nothing to offer.  I have seen this on sites like https://www.nairaland.com/7033660/putin-mocks-us-western-attempt.
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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2022, 03:14:19 PM »


     Here is a more sobering scenario from a nuclear scientist.

   https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/23/the_threat_of_nuclear_war_ukraine

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2022, 03:16:54 PM »
Meanwhile sactions will soon not be a tool in Western Toolbox

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2022, 03:30:53 PM »
Meanwhile sactions will soon not be a tool in Western Toolbox

    Sanctions are for losers
 
   

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2022, 04:06:54 PM »
Colonel Douglas McGregor, who was nominated by Donald Trump to become US ambassador to Germany in 2019 and failed the nomination because Republican (not Democrats) senators rejected him before even any hearing could take place.
The man is a known hawk and is known to make pro Russia comments on Fox TV that even leave GOP politicians wondering whose interests the man represents. Kindly bring in comments from someone more neutral.

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2022, 04:43:47 PM »
Colonel Douglas McGregor, who was nominated by Donald Trump to become US ambassador to Germany in 2019 and failed the nomination because Republican (not Democrats) senators rejected him before even any hearing could take place.
The man is a known hawk and is known to make pro Russia comments on Fox TV that even leave GOP politicians wondering whose interests the man represents. Kindly bring in comments from someone more neutral.

To be fair a lot of crackpots on both sides.  In 2022, you could drop a cherry picked link to "support" practically any view.  Social media is partly to blame for the environment.
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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2022, 05:01:56 PM »
Colonel Douglas McGregor, who was nominated by Donald Trump to become US ambassador to Germany in 2019 and failed the nomination because Republican (not Democrats) senators rejected him before even any hearing could take place.
The man is a known hawk and is known to make pro Russia comments on Fox TV that even leave GOP politicians wondering whose interests the man represents. Kindly bring in comments from someone more neutral.


    I posted a while ago several discussions by reputable people who had been warning about the madness from the warmongering and war profiteers including  Kissinger, professor Cohen and Colonel Wilkerson who was chief of staff to Colin Powell. Before you dismiss anyone who is against the madness in Washington, Brussels and London please listen to what they are saying and weigh it against the supporters of the mayhem.  When you have Victoria Nuland leading the coup in Ukraine back in 2013-2014 then you find out the husband is a defense contractor you have to ask yourself what is the real motivation behind the craziness.  Now listen to the current CIA director when he warned in his cable about Russia red line.  You have to wonder if he is giving the same candid advice now that he is in the inner circle. Here is the  interview.
 
 

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2022, 05:16:43 PM »

    I posted a while ago several discussions by reputable people who had been warning about the madness from the warmongering and war profiteers including  Kissinger, professor Cohen and Colonel Wilkerson who was chief of staff to Colin Powell. Before you dismiss anyone who is against the madness in Washington, Brussels and London please listen to what they are saying and weigh it against the supporters of the mayhem.  When you have Victoria Nuland leading the coup in Ukraine back in 2013-2014 then you find out the husband is a defense contractor you have to ask yourself what is the real motivation behind the craziness.  Now listen to the current CIA director when he warned in his cable about Russia red line.  You have to wonder if he is giving the same candid advice now that he is in the inner circle. Here is the  interview.
 
 

The colonel is very sharp, knows his material, and seems to be an anti-war voice. I'm not surprised Republican Senators and Fox treat him like a whacko.

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2022, 06:12:13 PM »
 For  those cheering the western good boys here is an investment opportunity for you if you want to share in the blood money.

   https://www.marketwatch.com/story/as-russia-presses-its-war-with-ukraine-here-are-10-aerospace-and-defense-stocks-expected-to-rise-up-to-39-11646327075

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2022, 06:14:49 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2022, 08:23:49 PM »
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According to pro-Western folk, Putin is a thug but this guy is  👍!  As are Hillary and Obama. Only American thugs allowed are Trump and Bush.

These American non-thugs do horrific things while singing "democracy, human rights etc." They are just misguided but ultimately well-intentioned.

Putin does similarly horrific things while singing "Denazification and protection of Western border," and he's not only ill-intentioned . . . He's straightup Hitler  :D

This is the meaning of 'objectivity' and 'non-insanity' under the current zeitgeist and it's heavily fortified echo-chamber.

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« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2022, 01:47:51 AM »
More footage. Why Obama picked him as VP baffles me to this day.




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According to pro-Western folk, Putin is a thug but this guy is  👍!  As are Hillary and Obama. Only American thugs allowed are Trump and Bush.

These American non-thugs do horrific things while singing "democracy, human rights etc." They are just misguided but ultimately well-intentioned.

Putin does similarly horrific things while singing "Denazification and protection of Western border," and he's not only ill-intentioned . . . He's straightup Hitler  :D

This is the meaning of 'objectivity' and 'non-insanity' under the current zeitgeist and it's heavily fortified echo-chamber.

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2022, 03:08:32 AM »
In 6 more days Russia will run out of funds to sustain Ukraine operations

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Re: Defeated Russia seeks settlement
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2022, 03:27:33 AM »
The war in Ukraine might result in a major rethink in military circles whether tanks are worth it.  So many cheap toys cooking so many in their expensive tanks.


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« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2022, 04:13:30 AM »
Tanks days are over.drones are the new tool. Turkey $1 drone can stop troops movements