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Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« on: March 11, 2022, 09:55:01 AM »
The deadline for coalition depositing is a month from today - 9th April -4 weeks.
The deadline for parties to submit names to IEBC - is 16th - 2 weeks.
The deadline to join Azimio is tomorrow - as Raila briefcase parties will endorse him led by Uhuru & his dead Jubilee, Gideon and his dead KANU - then individual parties of Mutua, Ngilul, Kibwana, Wamalwa, Kingi, Matiangi, Kiraitu and Roba..it's hilarous
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/article/2001439945/waiting-for-kalonzo-as-time-flies

My prediction - Kalonzo will play time.

His premium in Azimio will increase even more as desperate Raila will keep pushing until the 10th April for a deal.

Azimio crew are lucky because by now all coalition would have been done - but now they wish we go back old law - when deadline was two months to election.

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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2022, 10:59:37 AM »
Look like OKA finally sign their own coalition - will they join azimio as coalition? is that legally possible.

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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2022, 11:54:35 AM »
According to Stanard....

That means OKA cannot join other coalitions such as Azimio la Umoja or Kenya Kwanza.
The individual parties in OKA can, however, enter pre-election negotiation with other coalitions.

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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2022, 12:41:11 PM »
According to Stanard....

That means OKA cannot join other coalitions such as Azimio la Umoja or Kenya Kwanza.
The individual parties in OKA can, however, enter pre-election negotiation with other coalitions.
The law is an ass. KANU has an agreement with Jubilee but wants to remain in OKA? Yet Jubilee is ndani, ndani, ndani in Azimio. How will that work for them? Senior Counsels Kalonzo and Martha Karua are the lawyers in the group, are the ones giving this advice??

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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2022, 12:49:53 PM »
Azimio party law shall and will hopefully be declared unconstitutional...there is a case in court. It a huge mess. The effect is confusion - and death of political parties - many briefcase signing coalition left right and center - one will sign into all of them.
According to Stanard....

That means OKA cannot join other coalitions such as Azimio la Umoja or Kenya Kwanza.
The individual parties in OKA can, however, enter pre-election negotiation with other coalitions.
The law is an ass. KANU has an agreement with Jubilee but wants to remain in OKA? Yet Jubilee is ndani, ndani, ndani in Azimio. How will that work for them? Senior Counsels Kalonzo and Martha Karua are the lawyers in the group, are the ones giving this advice??

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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2022, 07:04:52 PM »
i know you are looking to paint it as PNU confusion but Azimio is NARC... which was a coalition party of Rainbow, DP, Ford-K, etc. Individually they would have been beat by KANU but umoja ni nguvu. All those Jubilee, PNU/Mbus, UDM/Upya, DAP-K, PAA - come with good following. They are not Raila briefcase at all.

Ruto Jubilee "mean machine" was collection of such parties with TNA & URP as senior partners. ODM, JP, Wiper will be the senior partners. Kenya boils down tp who bags PORK - MPs are only loyal to the politics of the day as has been so clear in that 12th parliament.
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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2022, 07:24:32 PM »
Kalonzo is a matter of time. His own folks -- make the same statement of "we are ready to deal again." Mutula seems like the hardliner but only needs to assured of Azimio Makueni governor ticket. Basically he is scared Azimio law gives others a chance to beat him as wiper supremo - akin to Machaa where Azimio levels field for Waita vs Wavinya. I would only have doubts if Muthama was still Kalonzo man - but now nope - no serious hardliners in Wiper.

Another thing is OKA: Giddy and Jirongo are already Azimio - Karua is 50-50 - so any internal vote start in Azimio favor. Ruto tried to use Kuria to lure Karua as "Mt Kenya spokesman" so she can be Kalonzo DPORK to spoil for Raila. Didn't work as the mercurial fool can't keep to plan for 2 days. One minute he is on God side, next he joining OKA, next he is joining Ruto.

Kalonzo issue is how to explain to Kamba not getting at least DPORK
1. Wiper gets zoning deal for Mutulas, Wavinyas as Azimio direct candidates in Kamba. Waitas will be DOA or go independent. This is same deal as DAP-K in Bungoma and Trans Nzoia - no biggie
2. Coalition will be renamed to Azimio OKA
3. ODM, Jubilee, OKA, DAP will get 20% of GoK

Kalonzo saves face from this. Raila-Uhuru will wire him some millions and prevail on Mutua, Ngilu & Kibwana to play second fiddle.
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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2022, 07:33:24 PM »
You see what is being so painstakingly negotiated in Azimio - is the real line-up. All cards are on the table. Once Kalonzo signs that is it.

Worry about Kenya Kwisha - full of fake smiles but cards and daggers hidden under the table. Has Mdvd agreed to be Finance CS - he could pull a 2012 in April  :) What exactly is the line-up? Ruto-Wahome? Ruto-Mdvd? Half ANC MPs already fled... even before Mdvd reveals he sold every Luhya for 42bob.

Deal with Kenya Kwisha lineup then we can talk. Azimio is new juggernaut in town.
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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2022, 10:29:53 PM »
Kalonzo is looking to drive a hard bargain..I don't think he will settle for anything but for 2nd run..he is convinced he can increase his dwindling fortune by forcing a re run or supreme court ordered one ...he knows ukambani has been eaten ..he supports raila..it likely Ruto still get 40 percent of kambas...I see kalonzo on the ballot..2007 again..Raila can't give him even dpork...it hurts him to see a boy like Ruto win Mt Kenya support...he obviously has intelligence enough to tell him Ruto is the guy to beat...Ruto is competing with 50 percent..his worse case now is to scrape through like 2013...he has 30 percent of ukambani but if kalonzo run he could retake ukambani.. denying Ruto that half million and making a rerurn a possibility. .where he can basically demand Kenyatta land as downpayment..in short every day he stall he increase his premium to the desperate Azimios....his plan A to convince uhuru to let him run the anti Ruto coalition....that pretty clear

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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2022, 10:44:20 PM »
Today was major win for kalonzo because uhuru Gideon had to sign oka... because they know kalonzo is important if they hope to compete with Ruto... tomorrow Raila will doing another waste of time launch number 20.His candidature remain unviable until he sign kalonzo..now the gap is almost 20 percent or 3 million cast votes.if get kalonzo he has 10 percent to climb which is doable.

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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2022, 08:04:01 PM »
RV Pundit & co - wrong as always despite all the conjectures. Kalonzo ako ndaani ya Azimio.

Meantime can you show us the Kenya Kwisha lineup... expect either a Mdvd delusional Messi moment - or major Luhya problems if he settles for Finance CS.
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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2022, 08:07:43 PM »
Ati 3m lead... all dreams are valid. Raila now has 6 province lead over Ruto mere Central & RV.

Once you are off the pedestal of hubris.. you can release MOAS v14 update. Your horse has no chance.

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Today was major win for kalonzo because uhuru Gideon had to sign oka... because they know kalonzo is important if they hope to compete with Ruto... tomorrow Raila will doing another waste of time launch number 20.His candidature remain unviable until he sign kalonzo..now the gap is almost 20 percent or 3 million cast votes.if get kalonzo he has 10 percent to climb which is doable.
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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2022, 08:29:55 PM »
In MOAS v14 start with such obvious places. Ruto is not Jesus. Then proceed carefully through the jilted Luhya.. as you comb the counties and regions.


Kalonzo is looking to drive a hard bargain..I don't think he will settle for anything but for 2nd run..he is convinced he can increase his dwindling fortune by forcing a re run or supreme court ordered one ...he knows ukambani has been eaten ..he supports raila..it likely Ruto still get 40 percent of kambas...I see kalonzo on the ballot..2007 again..Raila can't give him even dpork...it hurts him to see a boy like Ruto win Mt Kenya support...he obviously has intelligence enough to tell him Ruto is the guy to beat...Ruto is competing with 50 percent..his worse case now is to scrape through like 2013...he has 30 percent of ukambani but if kalonzo run he could retake ukambani.. denying Ruto that half million and making a rerurn a possibility. .where he can basically demand Kenyatta land as downpayment..in short every day he stall he increase his premium to the desperate Azimios....his plan A to convince uhuru to let him run the anti Ruto coalition....that pretty clear
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Re: Kalonzo d-day - does he run alone or join Azimio or KKA
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2022, 08:52:11 PM »
Robina, I am not new in this game, so relax and just know your candidate is repeating the same mistake.We will see kamba reaction...so far it's mixed bag like madvd western..see moas for details