Kibaki era corruption cases getting concluding

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Seems quite complex pursuing justice in Kenya.

Do you rush the cases and have them compromised as the parties have the cash and influence as is with Chitembwe case; or do you wait for cash to run  out then strike as is with these cases which have been getting adjournments for decades.

Or just go ARA way. Assets freeze and then squeeze. 

Today Moturi, through Lawyer Assa Nyakundi and Adan Mohamed, asked the court to take into account that he suffers from hypertension, diabetes, asthma, prostate enlargement and a history of disc herniation.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-31-ex-nssf-boss-francis-moturi-convicted-of-graft-to-be-sentenced-today/

[RV Pundit]

Generally all court cases take too long..we need to fix it

[Kadudu]

Even murder cases like those of Jowie, Obado, Wairimu Cohen etc take decades. This is not tolerable in a society seeking justice.
People with blood in their hands are walking around free full of impunity.

Generally all court cases take too long..we need to fix it

[RV Pundit]

Yes it makes our justice system useless

[RV Pundit]

Why can't we triple judiciary budget n place high court every sub county..we can have 300 high courts and 900 magistrate courts... every division..we can then listen to court cases speedly and without compromising the quality..case should be dealt with non stop like in developed countries..you allow murder suspect free bail for 10yrs... instead of listening to such case non stop and be done in 3 weeks

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

It is kept that way to milk money from unsuspecting individuals for decades. My brother's minor case of 2004 was concluded in 2016. In those years, a lawyer demanded a few thousand for adjournment and a cut for the judge every other few months. If you can't spit out anything arrest warrant is issued! Those like ngiritas, Obados, Jowie, etc., will see their cases drag for years, with occasional money flowing from lawyers to judges slowly until they are dry. In the end, they will cut the deal of either jail or lump sum payment! If you hear someone has walked free, or found not guilty, know that he/she paid lump sum. In Kenya, you don't want to be seriously sick or have a protracted court case. The lawyers/brokers surrounding courts in Kenya are just overwhelming! If you can avoid landing in the court system, do the necessary!

[Pragmatic]

The occasion we agree fully...!! Completely rotten system... have suffered immensely in those corridors with protracted adjournments... even the judges are happy to courtesy to that, nay, actively encourage adjournments. Always wonder what all these fellows went to school for if their business is to wantonly delay cases.

It is kept that way to milk money from unsuspecting individuals for decades. My brother's minor case of 2004 was concluded in 2016. In those years, a lawyer demanded a few thousand for adjournment and a cut for the judge every other few months. If you can't spit out anything arrest warrant is issued! Those like ngiritas, Obados, Jowie, etc., will see their cases drag for years, with occasional money flowing from lawyers to judges slowly until they are dry. In the end, they will cut the deal of either jail or lump sum payment! If you hear someone has walked free, or found not guilty, know that he/she paid lump sum. In Kenya, you don't want to be seriously sick or have a protracted court case. The lawyers/brokers surrounding courts in Kenya are just overwhelming! If you can avoid landing in the court system, do the necessary!

[sema]

You have all just described a classic banana republic.

Their business is not to delay cases. It's to make money through bribery and corruption.

[RV Pundit]

It's sickening.. personally I avoid court cases at all costs..I threaten with lawyer's demand letter but will not solve issues through court..I rather leave it or find resolution outside court.Quickest way to bankruptcy apart from Kenya bank is lawyer fees and hospital..at lease hospital insurance handle that.We simply don't have judiciary.Its totally incompetent.We need to triple the budget...so they have no excuses to delay cases..hire as many judges as possible..17B budget now is too miniscule to deal with 10 trillion ksh economy... recommendations is to spend even 2 percent on judiciary..we can try hit 1 percent by employing 4 times and see if we can truly move forward

[RV Pundit]

Quick solution..every constituency to have an high court..prison..every division to have magistrate court and a prison...we can ask cdf to fund it once they done with school if we cannot finance judiciary.Once this is done court delays will history as judges will have reasonable workloads... otherwise now it's both overworked and corrupt..we can deal with workload easily by throwing money..

[RV Pundit]

Apart from a few mutunga new courts .Kenya courts and prisons were built by the British...we are building school but nobody think about courts and prisons

[GeeMail]

Court case in Kenya just a waste of time mostly. Increasing budget wont help. Judges magistrates already well paid. Requires CJ to demand more from judiciary staff and her own office. Japanese heading such institution would have harakiri many times.

[RV Pundit]

No it's not just corruption..we have too few judges and courts.. rarely expanded despite population increasing ten times since 1960s...when did you last hear new court or prison?

[RV Pundit]

Infact if court worked..many people would file cases but now people are sorting things outside courts.. judiciary budget need to be tripled

[Nowayhaha]

The problem of Kenyan Judiciary system is the JSC and LSK. They run the system and have been classmates or collegues at one point. Even to a level of intermarying.
Now they are in NIS, DCI, DPP, EACC and In Judiciary. Now it even gets worse when they are in the same bed with Government of the day.

[RV Pundit]

The problem of Kenyan Judiciary system is the JSC and LSK. They run the system and have been classmates or collegues at one point. Even to a level of intermarying.
Now they are in NIS, DCI, DPP, EACC and In Judiciary. Now it even gets worse when they are in the same bed with Government of the day.

Boss but even useless cases like drunk n disordely take forever...I have been to magistrate court...their calendar is full...in some high courts you can only mention days years away...undercapacity is biggest and easiest to solve

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

I think the problem is the people. The Kenyan population is unclean, corrupt, and brokers in masses. If lawyers, politicians, judges, and customers were clean, to begin with, the system would run smoothly, no matter what kind of system is in place. The same brokers are in KPLC, county offices, politics, relationships, and anywhere in between. Over the years, moral decay in Kenya has gone too deep red. Consistently doing the right thing/being honest is an alien concept in today's Kenya. Expect everything to rot with such masses of people confined in one geographical region. I have cousins in the army, and they cry of massive corruption there. Did you know to successfully join the army/military in Kenya, most people part with 300K to 600K? Kenya's Judiciary, executive, and legislature are utterly rotten to the core. 

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

Apart from a few mutunga new courts .Kenya courts and prisons were built by the British...we are building school but nobody think about courts and prisons

The traditional honest family needs to be built, and ethical citizens will be churned out. Never met an honest Kenyan even in my family! They sound legit as they position themselves to take you to the cleaners at the right time. Those same folks, friends, relatives, schoolmates are now lawyers, police officers, judges, teachers, pastors, workers, politicians, and folks in every aspect of society.

[GeeMail]

No it's not just corruption..we have too few judges and courts.. rarely expanded despite population increasing ten times since 1960s...when did you last hear new court or prison?

Prisons problem separate from judiciary. many prisons reduced population to handle Covid. New court have been there. Few but there. More new judges new magistrates also.

[GeeMail]

Apart from a few mutunga new courts .Kenya courts and prisons were built by the British...we are building school but nobody think about courts and prisons

The traditional honest family needs to be built, and ethical citizens will be churned out. Never met an honest Kenyan even in my family! They sound legit as they position themselves to take you to the cleaners at the right time. Those same folks, friends, relatives, schoolmates are now lawyers, police officers, judges, teachers, pastors, workers, politicians, and folks in every aspect of society.

Need to separate prison from courts. More prison does not mean more justice. You should sit in Farrakhan ccongregation.