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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #60 on: December 19, 2021, 08:40:12 PM »
Here we go again. Talking from both sides of your mouth. You're amazing.

Are you Matiangi?
IEBC are doing a great job.
My problem right now is Matiangi and Koome.
Seem Koome the CJ has gotten the message - we need supreme court where people can rush to if there is a problem.
Now our problem is Matiangi and 8 ministers - who are openly playing dirt politics.

It's important knowing the nature of Kalenjin savagery that election be beyond reproach.

Otherwise they will start war. I didnt make Kalenjin savages - that is just historical happenstances. I also didnt put more than 2 million non-immigrants kenyans in Rift valley living amongst kalenjin and now sitting ducks in case of a war.

Kalenjin lost 2002 - it was free and fair - margins huge. They sucked up their loss. I was nearly beaten several times as I taunted them majority KANU guys.

In 2010 - same thing - beaten blue - COK2010 - Ruto accepted.

We do not want another 2007.

We were very luckly in 2007 because if Annan had failed - KDF were already out - and if KDF had split like police - we have Ethiopia.

Bottomline: Try to beat Ruto very cleanly or prepare for war. HIYO TU.

If you're thinking of rigging - please do it secretively and intelligently - KIFUA -  OPENLY - is almost poking eyes of a beast

In addition to childish insults and crying, your other trick is to try to put the other person on the defensive. Good try. Ati now, Ruto is this nice and clean guy whose only problem is that others are trying to rig him out.

No, the fact is Ruto has always had a lot of stinking baggage, ages before he got onto the ballot. So it is perfectly right for some Kenyans to have serious reservations about him.

A Kenyan can be strongly against rigging and still be very well justified in vehemently opposing Ruto.

Now run and try to pin the "rigging" label on me so that I can stop criticizing Ruto.

Don't steal. The Uhuruto Government hates competition.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2021, 08:43:43 PM »
What is the other side?
I have always maintained that based on the players in 2022 - election in 2022 better be free, fair and credible.
You can rig Raila 10 times - Luos will throw stones for a day or two. This one is different.
That if any of institutions needed to make that happen fail.
There is very high likelihood that Kalenjin will unleash their savagery starting mostly on the immigrants communities living amongst them.
Gov will respond with their own savagery.
Kalenjin being very good fighters will dig in.
Eventually gov - especially with Ruto being DPORK - will split into two camps.
And that little BOY IS START OF A CIVIL WAR.
Museveni himself is praying for  a civil war I suspect.
Here we go again. Talking from both sides of your mouth. You're amazing.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #62 on: December 19, 2021, 08:49:44 PM »
With such well known Kalenjin warrior ferocity, why bother with the vote in August? Why not simply crown Ruto Emperor of Kenya? After all, it seems he's simply granting us the formality of going through an election. Everything in the universe points to the fact that he's God's chosen leader for Kenya. Right?

What is the other side?
I have always maintained that based on the players in 2022 - election in 2022 better be free, fair and credible.
You can rig Raila 10 times - Luos will throw stones for a day or two. This one is different.
That if any of institutions needed to make that happen fail.
There is very high likelihood that Kalenjin will unleash their savagery starting mostly on the immigrants communities living amongst them.
Gov will respond with their own savagery.
Kalenjin being very good fighters will dig in.
Eventually gov - especially with Ruto being DPORK - will split into two camps.
And that little BOY IS START OF A CIVIL WAR.
Museveni himself is praying for  a civil war I suspect.
Here we go again. Talking from both sides of your mouth. You're amazing.
Don't steal. The Uhuruto Government hates competition.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2021, 08:53:01 PM »
The best fighters are normally the least to be provoked.
That is how they survive for long.
Trigger happy ones like Luos soon go extinct.
Kalenjin believe in fairness and in project kenya.
Moi left - peaceful - after holding kenya for 24yrs.
For Kalenjin to wage war - it not light decision - they would have considered it worth dying for it.
It wont be about Ruto.
It will be about their destiny as a people.
They wont be fighting for Ruto,
They will be fighting an injustice against Kalenjin nation.'
The same way Tigrays are not fighting for their gov - but for their identity as proud Tigray people.

Have you heard Ngwee from Kalenjin...
Be very afraid when Kalenjin go underground.

With such well known Kalenjin warrior ferocity, why bother with the vote in August? Why not simply crown Ruto Emperor of Kenya? After all, it seems he's simply granting us the formality of going through an election. Everything in the universe points to the fact that he's God's chosen leader for Kenya. Right?

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2021, 08:59:23 PM »
When I look at you I see a number of illnesses and conditions which cannot be cured with aspirin tablets: rabies, schizophrenia, early stages of dementia, and acute paranoia.

The best fighters are normally the least to be provoked.
That is how they survive for long.
Trigger happy ones like Luos soon go extinct.
Kalenjin believe in fairness and in project kenya.
Moi left - peaceful - after holding kenya for 24yrs.
For Kalenjin to wage war - it not light decision - they would have considered it worth dying for it.
It wont be about Ruto.
It will be about their destiny as a people.
With such well known Kalenjin warrior ferocity, why bother with the vote in August? Why not simply crown Ruto Emperor of Kenya? After all, it seems he's simply granting us the formality of going through an election. Everything in the universe points to the fact that he's God's chosen leader for Kenya. Right?
Don't steal. The Uhuruto Government hates competition.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2021, 09:01:05 PM »
I remain yours truly dispassionate pundit.
Ready to discuss any topic on earth.
The warts and all that.
I study politics, actors, people, and name it.
I make predictions.
I get some wrong. Rarely.
When I look at you I see a number of illnesses and conditions which cannot be cured with aspirin tablets: rabies, schizophrenia, early stages of dementia, and acute paranoia.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2021, 09:27:11 PM »
Ethiopian Gov't: Almost all areas in Amhara region free of rebels
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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2021, 10:49:21 AM »
It seems like the Tigrayans are now begging for peace.
I think drones will change the art of warfare in Africa. It will be more technology than manpower.

New York Times:

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Debretsion Gebremichael, the Tigrayan leader, has called for a cease-fire followed by peace talks.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2021, 10:54:20 AM »
I read the full article yesterday (Monday) and found it very interesting. But I could not share it here because you need a subscription.

It seems like the Tigrayans are now begging for peace.
I think drones will change the art of warfare in Africa. It will be more technology than manpower.

New York Times:

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Debretsion Gebremichael, the Tigrayan leader, has called for a cease-fire followed by peace talks.
Don't steal. The Uhuruto Government hates competition.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2021, 01:35:48 PM »
Tigray(kalenjin) have been almost vaporized the human toll is huge it will takes decades to replace current generation who have been killed very sad. There leaders just like pundit stuck their heads in the sad.
Am on record from day one saying Tigrays will face the full effects of this war no way they were gonna win.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2021, 02:12:12 PM »
Once a rebel force starts asking for peace then you know things are bad for TPLF. TPLF should have stayed within Tigray and so put pressure on Addis to give more autonomy to the regions. By crossing the borders of Tigray and trying to occupy other regions, TPLF left the rest of the regions to decide between them and the other devil they know.

Tigray(kalenjin) have been almost vaporized the human toll is huge it will takes decades to replace current generation who have been killed very sad. There leaders just like pundit stuck their heads in the sad.
Am on record from day one saying Tigrays will face the full effects of this war no way they were gonna win.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2021, 02:27:56 PM »
This is long war of attrition. You dont quite understand how tenacious Tigray people fight. The last time they fought Derg from 1976 to 1990s. 16yrs of war. That about the same time the Nandi fought the British. Afghan fought NATO for 20yrs.

The more you kill Tigrays - the more you fuel the rest to join the war for survival - and the harder it is for Ethiopia to prevail.

The rest of Ethiopia are fighting an ego war - Tigrays are fighting a war of survival.

Tigray(kalenjin) have been almost vaporized the human toll is huge it will takes decades to replace current generation who have been killed very sad. There leaders just like pundit stuck their heads in the sad.
Am on record from day one saying Tigrays will face the full effects of this war no way they were gonna win.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2021, 02:32:16 PM »
Their argument - they were securing food aid - by opening up the roads. The drones definitely changed the war as Turkish drones and pilots have altered the war. Now they have to fight slowly...
Once a rebel force starts asking for peace then you know things are bad for TPLF. TPLF should have stayed within Tigray and so put pressure on Addis to give more autonomy to the regions. By crossing the borders of Tigray and trying to occupy other regions, TPLF left the rest of the regions to decide between them and the other devil they know.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2021, 03:57:22 PM »
Or purchase their own drones.
Where do Tigrayans get their military help? I suspect Egypt and Sudan. These two do not have an interest in a strong Ethiopia. Otherwise I do not see any other allies for rebels in Ethiopia.

Their argument - they were securing food aid - by opening up the roads. The drones definitely changed the war as Turkish drones and pilots have altered the war. Now they have to fight slowly...

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2021, 04:29:15 PM »
They cant purchase weapons because they are not a country. No one can sell them drones.

Egypt are interested in endless civil war - because a decisive win by either side - mean ethiopia can focus on economic growth - and they will need power/water - from the same nile that 100M Egyptian rely on.

So basically we have 100M ethiopia interest versus 100M Egyptian interest.

Egypt will fund Tigray in drips....enough to sustain a long drawn war..not enough for a decisive win...if they become another somalia...the better.

Remember Egypt has been key financier of Eritrea to cause Ethiopia problems....because it in Egypt interest to keep Ethiopia forever in war - otherwise the nile dies.

Once the water that get "wasted" in south Sudan gigantic swamp can be canalized through Jonglei - maybe this pressure will reduce.

Or purchase their own drones.
Where do Tigrayans get their military help? I suspect Egypt and Sudan. These two do not have an interest in a strong Ethiopia. Otherwise I do not see any other allies for rebels in Ethiopia.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2021, 05:37:55 PM »
You are shameless. As usual, you're speaking from both ends of your mouth. One minute, you're a tribal warrior, pounding your chest. The next minute you're crying another song.

From Day 1 of the war you were jumping up and down with excitement here. You thought you could use the Tigrayans in your continuous effort to scare us with the so-called "Kalenjin warrior tradition." It had nothing to do with real sympathy for Ethiopia, the country of beautiful people, wonderful culture and history, fast runners and a great ally of Kenya. It had to do with serving the Ruto and Kalenjin nationalist cause, at the expense of everyone else. You even went to the extent of glorifying the shifta war to scare us.

But in your wild excitement (shouting, "Tigray taking over Ethiopia") you could not see the drone that was silently aiming at your behind. The missile from the drone was so fast that you still do not really know what hit you.

Now run and go warn your beloved warriors that warfare methods changed while you were chanting tribal war songs, half naked, half drunk.

The Kale community has its smart people, just like in any other tribe (you're certainly not one of them). But the sad thing is that people like you make a whole tribe to look stupid because you drown out any moderate or smart-thinking fellow tribesmen with your shameless loudness. Or you portray the moderates as sellouts to other tribes, in your rabid attempt to win 100% support for your tribal hero.

There is a lesson here for every Kenyan, regardless of tribe. :D :D :D

They cant purchase weapons because they are not a country. No one can sell them drones.

Egypt are interested in endless civil war - because a decisive win by either side - mean ethiopia can focus on economic growth - and they will need power/water - from the same nile that 100M Egyptian rely on.

So basically we have 100M ethiopia interest versus 100M Egyptian interest.

Egypt will fund Tigray in drips....enough to sustain a long drawn war..not enough for a decisive win...if they become another somalia...the better.

Remember Egypt has been key financier of Eritrea to cause Ethiopia problems....because it in Egypt interest to keep Ethiopia forever in war - otherwise the nile dies.

Once the water that get "wasted" in south Sudan gigantic swamp can be canalized through Jonglei - maybe this pressure will reduce.

Or purchase their own drones.
Where do Tigrayans get their military help? I suspect Egypt and Sudan. These two do not have an interest in a strong Ethiopia. Otherwise I do not see any other allies for rebels in Ethiopia.
Don't steal. The Uhuruto Government hates competition.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2021, 06:19:18 PM »
This is long war of attrition. You dont quite understand how tenacious Tigray people fight. The last time they fought Derg from 1976 to 1990s. 16yrs of war. That about the same time the Nandi fought the British. Afghan fought NATO for 20yrs.

The more you kill Tigrays - the more you fuel the rest to join the war for survival - and the harder it is for Ethiopia to prevail.

The rest of Ethiopia are fighting an ego war - Tigrays are fighting a war of survival.

Tigray(kalenjin) have been almost vaporized the human toll is huge it will takes decades to replace current generation who have been killed very sad. There leaders just like pundit stuck their heads in the sad.
Am on record from day one saying Tigrays will face the full effects of this war no way they were gonna win.
Of course I reckoned without the Nandi :D
War today is not the one fought in the 20 century my friend lots of dynamics have changed. With development in infrastructure, communication and integrity no one can fight a guerilla war like the 70s.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2021, 06:29:20 PM »
Anybody here knows where this Gikomba fool emerged from?
You are shameless. As usual, you're speaking from both ends of your mouth. One minute, you're a tribal warrior, pounding your chest. The next minute you're crying another song.

From Day 1 of the war you were jumping up and down with excitement here. You thought you could use the Tigrayans in your continuous effort to scare us with the so-called "Kalenjin warrior tradition." It had nothing to do with real sympathy for Ethiopia, the country of beautiful people, wonderful culture and history, fast runners and a great ally of Kenya. It had to do with serving the Ruto and Kalenjin nationalist cause, at the expense of everyone else. You even went to the extent of glorifying the shifta war to scare us.

But in your wild excitement (shouting, "Tigray taking over Ethiopia") you could not see the drone that was silently aiming at your behind. The missile from the drone was so fast that you still do not really know what hit you.

Now run and go warn your beloved warriors that warfare methods changed while you were chanting tribal war songs, half naked, half drunk.

The Kale community has its smart people, just like in any other tribe (you're certainly not one of them). But the sad thing is that people like you make a whole tribe to look stupid because you drown out any moderate or smart-thinking fellow tribesmen with your shameless loudness, or you portray them as sellouts to other tribes, in your rabid attempt to win 100% support for your tribal hero. :D :D :D

They cant purchase weapons because they are not a country. No one can sell them drones.

Egypt are interested in endless civil war - because a decisive win by either side - mean ethiopia can focus on economic growth - and they will need power/water - from the same nile that 100M Egyptian rely on.

So basically we have 100M ethiopia interest versus 100M Egyptian interest.

Egypt will fund Tigray in drips....enough to sustain a long drawn war..not enough for a decisive win...if they become another somalia...the better.

Remember Egypt has been key financier of Eritrea to cause Ethiopia problems....because it in Egypt interest to keep Ethiopia forever in war - otherwise the nile dies.

Once the water that get "wasted" in south Sudan gigantic swamp can be canalized through Jonglei - maybe this pressure will reduce.

Or purchase their own drones.
Where do Tigrayans get their military help? I suspect Egypt and Sudan. These two do not have an interest in a strong Ethiopia. Otherwise I do not see any other allies for rebels in Ethiopia.

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Re: Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2021, 06:32:02 PM »
Afgans recently won against NATO with all kind of weaponry baby Abiy can think about. I dont see a situation where Tigray agree to be part of project Ethiopia. I dont see how Ethiopia gov can hope to govern Tigray. So it's either they are let to become a Lesotho or it's long drawn civil war.

Of course I reckoned without the Nandi :D
War today is not the one fought in the 20 century my friend lots of dynamics have changed. With development in infrastructure, communication and integrity no one can fight a guerilla war like the 70s.

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« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2021, 06:41:15 PM »
I all the time thought he was your creation. :D :D :D

Next time praise guys from Ololo. You see there others like from Gikomba who are worse.

Anybody here knows where this Gikomba fool emerged from?