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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2021, 08:57:02 PM »
Itumbi latest intelligence - Raila has been dropped.


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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2021, 09:00:06 PM »
Pundit quick to say Uhuru byzantine yet he post chalkfaced bow and arrow Kalenjin worriers saying Kenya need Jesus 2022. You can't even see the irony?
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2021, 09:05:46 PM »
Boss understands use of words and their context.
Byzantine empire was old empire - right.
Byzanthine methods are use to describe anything that is complicated.
In compute science we for example learnt about Byzantine Algorithms - solving problems using byzanthine kind of methods - blockchain or these cryptoshiet are example of such algorithms - where nobody knows what everyone else know kind of problems - but have to work on the same goal.

What I meant is that Uhuru succession plan is incredibly hard to read or understands - I don't and I haven't bought into BBI/Raila - because I am rational and I examine things carefully.

English dict

a : of, relating to, or characterized by a devious and usually surreptitious manner of operation a Byzantine power struggle. b : intricately involved : labyrinthine rules of Byzantine complexity. Byzantine. noun.

Block-chain is example of Byzanthine tactic to solve a problem

The Byzantine Generals' Problem refers to a distributed set of generals who need to reach a consensus/agreement on the timing of a simultaneous attack by multiple divisions of an army



Pundit quick to say Uhuru byzantine yet he post chalkfaced bow and arrow Kalenjin worriers saying Kenya need Jesus 2022. You can't even see the irony?

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2021, 09:07:27 PM »
This "HNIB" stuff looks more fake than the La Mada letter. Are the black screenshots hacks from Nancy Gitau phone? Or NIS website. Some jokes.

Itumbi latest intelligence - Raila has been dropped.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2021, 09:11:13 PM »
Well it easy to prove; just give it a few days; you will see if kieweke will drop Raila or not. I believe Itumbi intelligence are reliable - at least most of the time.

This "HNIB" stuff looks more fake than the La Mada letter. Are the black screenshots hacks from Nancy Gitau phone? Or NIS website. Some jokes.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2021, 09:19:44 PM »
O will it turn out to be true like Uhurutopia? Or they are playing Raila. Which you sang for years until it turned ridiculous.

How can someone be a propagandist and also reliable or truthful? That is a contradiction. Propaganda is manipulation and dishonesty.

If Raila is being weakened - Itumbi and Ruto should be very happy and definitely not be so fast to expose such "intelligence." But they are restless - which means the opposite - it is going well for Raila. Let us try drive a wedge among Handshake crew.

Just say Uhuru is playing Raila & OKA for Giddy is your new  Uhurutopia. We are used to you.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2021, 09:20:50 PM »
What is the 411 about Kuria and Kiunjuri - hustler renegades - are they hired guns or self- made? What does the HNIB say?
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2021, 09:25:05 PM »
I still insist Raila is being played. I insisted BBI was a game meant to divert Raila attention and throw him off. I dont know why you are declaring victory prematurely. I am not itumbi. I operate in darkeness. He has more insights on the political intrigues and is an active player.

Obviously whatever Nancy Gitau plan - doesnt mean - all of it pan out - implementation on the ground is the problem. And Ruto is also counter-manning Uhuru plans.

I will never change my mind on flimsy grounds. I still insist that no way a UHuru or Moi will support Moi. They will back RUto 10 times before that.

O will it turn out to be true like Uhurutopia? Or they are playing Raila. Which you sang for years until it turned ridiculous.

How can someone be a propagandist and also reliable or truthful? That is a contradiction. Propaganda is manipulation and dishonesty.

If Raila is being weakened - Itumbi and Ruto should be very happy and definitely not be so fast to expose such "intelligence." But they are restless - which means the opposite - it is going well for Raila. Let us try drive a wedge among Handshake crew.

Just say Uhuru is playing Raila & OKA for Giddy is your new  Uhurutopia. We are used to you.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2021, 09:27:43 PM »
Uhuru has been asked by Kieleweke to reach out to them :). But knowing the ground is too hot they cant - they will play in the Hustler Nation big tent - pissing inside - because they know outside is very rough. Ask the Kieleweke facing huge problems on the ground how rough the going is.
What is the 411 about Kuria and Kiunjuri - hustler renegades - are they hired guns or self- made? What does the HNIB say?

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2021, 10:01:13 PM »
Uhuru didn't play Raila or OKA with BBI. BBI failed despite all their best intentions. It possible to fail - everything is not a cryptic scheme.

But BBI hopes managed to string Kalonzos, Mdvds and fend them from Ruto for 3 years - that a big payoff.

If Giddy was at least Mdvd - able to speak fluently. But now you expect Giddy to become Uhuru candidate and face Ruto - obviously entire NASA would swiftly reject him. It is as hard to suddenly unveil Giddy - if you claim Raila is hard to sell how about Giddy?

OKA is a good small house for Mdvds to excite their bases - claiming to be seriously prepping for SH. In any case NASA must be rebranded as New Safina or something - with flashy graphics - where everyone get a fair shot but last-minute embrace Mandela moment.

Hio fitina yenu na Itumbi. At least it tells us Ruto is concerned by the progress in Raila camp.

I still insist Raila is being played. I insisted BBI was a game meant to divert Raila attention and throw him off. I dont know why you are declaring victory prematurely. I am not itumbi. I operate in darkeness. He has more insights on the political intrigues and is an active player.

Obviously whatever Nancy Gitau plan - doesnt mean - all of it pan out - implementation on the ground is the problem. And Ruto is also counter-manning Uhuru plans.

I will never change my mind on flimsy grounds. I still insist that no way a UHuru or Moi will support Moi. They will back RUto 10 times before that.

O will it turn out to be true like Uhurutopia? Or they are playing Raila. Which you sang for years until it turned ridiculous.

How can someone be a propagandist and also reliable or truthful? That is a contradiction. Propaganda is manipulation and dishonesty.

If Raila is being weakened - Itumbi and Ruto should be very happy and definitely not be so fast to expose such "intelligence." But they are restless - which means the opposite - it is going well for Raila. Let us try drive a wedge among Handshake crew.

Just say Uhuru is playing Raila & OKA for Giddy is your new  Uhurutopia. We are used to you.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2021, 10:09:57 PM »
Realize the "hustler nation tent" is merely half of Kikuyu - by last headcount - Tanngatanga combined effort. Immediately after the internal divisions started.

They should reject any Uhuru approaches - and focus on seizing the base directly and expanding it. It easy for these Ruto rebels to consolidate Gema - by routing Uhuru and Ruto :) - then become kingmakers. That is actually in Gema best interest than Ruto and Uhuru selfish plans.

Uhuru has been asked by Kieleweke to reach out to them :). But knowing the ground is too hot they cant - they will play in the Hustler Nation big tent - pissing inside - because they know outside is very rough. Ask the Kieleweke facing huge problems on the ground how rough the going is.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2021, 10:16:36 PM »
BBI did not just fail; it scored 20-nil; and 17-3 in recently; Everything was almost wrong including the font type written on. Now if you have hired Nancy Gitau and you have battery of lawyers at AG/Solicitor general - and 5yrs - would you accept such a failure - as anything but design.

Jinga type. Naive like a kido.BBI just wasted your 5yrs - and you dont even realize - that Uhuru is almost finishing his term uninterrupted except by friendly fire.

I have explained to you that like Kanunu of Nairobi is Governor - Uhuru can make Gideon Moi DPORK and PORK - if Ruto was to step down or get impeached. Once Gideon is PORK - everyone will run to him as he already has PORK and those that refuse will be bribed - this is what happened to Uhuru - everyone abandoned Kibaki - GEMA rushed to KANU in a stampede - Kibaki main financer Njenga Karume quickly joined Moi and Kibaki wa so pained - all he could say - was even you brutus! Njenga

Raila saw the only way out was to back another Kikuyu - hence the Kibaki Tosha - and that stopped the hemorrhage - and forced GEMA to choose the better candidate. All plans are indeed good until you hit the ground.

Gideon and Uhuru come from far - and Ruto is Uhuru 2nd candidate.

Raila can never be a Kenyatta or a Moi candidate. Dont be cheated. They can never a trust a mercurial person to oversee their 100B dollars wealth. At least they know Ruto is just interested in joining their 100B dollar club.

If Project Gideon fails - expect Uhuru to cut a deal with Ruto - negotiate for Gideon some landing space - and end of story.

Uhuru didn't play Raila or OKA with BBI. BBI failed despite all their best intentions. It possible to fail - everything is not a cryptic scheme.

But BBI hopes managed to string Kalonzos, Mdvds and fend them from Ruto for 3 years - that a big payoff.

If Giddy was at least Mdvd - able to speak fluently. But now you expect Giddy to become Uhuru candidate and face Ruto - obviously entire NASA would swiftly reject him. It is as hard to suddenly unveil Giddy - if you claim Raila is hard to sell how about Giddy?

OKA is a good small house for Mdvds to excite their bases - claiming to be seriously prepping for SH. In any case NASA must be rebranded as New Safina or something - with flashy graphics - where everyone get a fair shot but last-minute embrace Mandela moment.

Hio fitina yenu na Itumbi. At least it tells us Ruto is concerned by the progress in Raila camp.


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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2021, 10:35:53 PM »
These are your wishes not facts. Propaganda cannot turn your wishes into reality.

Gideon and Uhuru come from far - and Ruto is Uhuru 2nd candidate.

Raila can never be a Kenyatta or a Moi candidate. Dont be cheated. They can never a trust a mercurial person to oversee their 100B dollars wealth. At least they know Ruto is just interested in joining their 100B dollar club.

If Project Gideon fails - expect Uhuru to cut a deal with Ruto - negotiate for Gideon some landing space - and end of story.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2021, 10:43:04 PM »
History is a fact. That is why you are rudderless. You just got into politics recently. The best predictor of the future is the past.
These are your wishes not facts. Propaganda cannot turn your wishes into reality.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2021, 07:26:31 AM »
It doesnt make sense for OKA to break up NASA - and then go back to Raila. In breaking up from NASA - they were running from Raila.

As for Uhunye - and Giddy - you really don't know the role of Gideon in Uhuru 2002 bid?

It goes like this. Moi before 1999 - was listening to Biwott - and Biwott - had planned for Saitoti to become PORK - and Biwwot to become DPORK. In come Gideon Moi. His first war was to kick out Kulei - who was Moi's bagman.  Next he took over statehouse and kabarnet - banned Biwott from seeing Moi anytime - and then brought in Uhuru -with Ruto as their KYM. Both Biwott and Kulei were kicked out from Kitchen Cabinet when Moi was told they have been conning him from deals - and had registered companies or kickbacks in their names

They started whistle campaign (like Ruto had been subjected to) - that Saitoi and Biwott - were upto no good - Moi knew Saitoti to be a miser - and when he asked him if he had money for 2002 campaigns - Saitoti was non-committal. Gideon and Ruto had convinced Moi that Uhuru would not only bring Kenyatta family wealth for campaigns but also would sell in GEMA.


Moi started to entertain the idea - however he knew both Gideon and Uhuru - were totally political clueless - Gideon could not even speak Kiswahili. Moi tasked Ruto to politically mentor them - take them to harambees - political rallies-  they were enrolled for kiswahil lessons - and Ruto took them through public speaking lessons.

Uhuru was then nominated as MP with Mark Too forced to resign. Next he was appointed Minister. Next he was KANU vice-chair. Next Moi announced this was the GUY :) . All this in a span of 1yr almost.

All this happened in less than 2yrs...Therefore both Uhuru and Gideon knows with power and money - anything is possible - you can come from drinking and playing casino the whole day - to being Mp, Minister and almost PORK in very short time.

 
Uhuru gameplan was simple fire Ruto and hire Gideon Moi as DPORK. After that he can even resign few months to election - and before you know Gideon Moi is your president :D :D

I think Ruto has frustrated them because he knows their thinking - Raila is redherring - that is why Ruto started hustler-dynasty narrative.

Some fool called Raila actually still believe to this day that Raila is Moi-Kenyatta choice - hiyo ni NDOTO YA MJANA

The real planners of OKA and Raila are gideon and kenyatta - working with Nancy Gitau and Uhuru young brother - Muhoho kenyatta. - where they are spinning all these byzantine moves - their work on Raila is almost done - reduce Raila to Luo King - keep him close and fix him in jujistus move - the next OKA plus Raila meeting - he will find Kingi, muturi and other ethnic lords :) - the more the merrier he will be told - as Ruto is the only ENEMY . That is Nancy Gitau and her consultants job to come up with crazy plans  and for Uk-GM to finance them. RUTO unlike Raila has invested in parrallel intelligence so know their gameplan.

Only Ruto is stopping Gideon MOi from becoming Uhuru DPORK and ultimately PORK. They will try to frustrate Ruto so he can resign - within days - Uhuru will tell Raila - we need to appease Kalenjin - so Gideon Moi comes in - few months to election - Uhuru resigns  - and Gideon Moi runs as an incumbent.

The funny thing - like 2002 - Raila has learnt nothing - when Moi was planning Uhuru move - he was all over thinking Moi was kicking out Saitoti - so he can come in :) :) - and he was the CHOSEN one - he stood shoulders over everyone else in KANU  :D :D :D :D - when Orengo tried to say MAGEUZI - Raila send his goons to crush them. HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE.

Until one day in Transmara - Moi unleashed his secret card - and Raila was caught totally flatfooted.

SOME FOOLS NEVER LEARN. 20yrs. The same script.

Uhuru is not sponsoring OKA to weaken Baba but to give them a cause to support him. He ,of course, is at pains to insert Giddy into all this.

He has zero intentions of clinging to power and he has no wherewithal for this goal.

Why is Uhunye more indebted to Giddy than Ruto?

Maajabu

N ber knew the bit about Uhunye 2002. I thought Moi had a debt to Jomo and he had to pay it. Sounds more fictitious than Mary Poppins but that's all I knew.

The bit about Giddy being DPORK, does the president appoint a new DPORK once the current one resigns?

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149.

Vacancy in the office of Deputy President

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Within fourteen days after a vacancy in the office of Deputy President arises, the President shall nominate a person to fill the vacancy, and the National Assembly shall vote on the nomination within sixty days after receiving it.




As for NASA, the arrangement had Rao as president and Kalooser as running mate. Obviously selling this the second time would never work. They have to break it and craft it afresh to give all players an illusion of a chance at either PORK or DPORK. That's why they broke up. Staying together was never an option. Babu told Kalooser the deal to support him in 2022 was premised on winning in 2017
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2021, 07:44:55 AM »
O will it turn out to be true like Uhurutopia? Or they are playing Raila. Which you sang for years until it turned ridiculous.

How can someone be a propagandist and also reliable or truthful? That is a contradiction. Propaganda is manipulation and dishonesty.

If Raila is being weakened - Itumbi and Ruto should be very happy and definitely not be so fast to expose such "intelligence." But they are restless - which means the opposite - it is going well for Raila. Let us try drive a wedge among Handshake crew.

Just say Uhuru is playing Raila & OKA for Giddy is your new  Uhurutopia. We are used to you.

Amazing Pundito's "big head" can't see through this.

Who benefits from a weaker Babu?

2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2021, 10:57:47 AM »
No there was no debt - it's was all the wonderful work of Gideon Moi and Ruto - after shutting out Biwott-Saitoti. I believe Babu wants Mt kenya running mate.
N ber knew the bit about Uhunye 2002. I thought Moi had a debt to Jomo and he had to pay it. Sounds more fictitious than Mary Poppins but that's all I knew.

The bit about Giddy being DPORK, does the president appoint a new DPORK once the current one resigns?

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149.

Vacancy in the office of Deputy President

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Within fourteen days after a vacancy in the office of Deputy President arises, the President shall nominate a person to fill the vacancy, and the National Assembly shall vote on the nomination within sixty days after receiving it.




As for NASA, the arrangement had Rao as president and Kalooser as running mate. Obviously selling this the second time would never work. They have to break it and craft it afresh to give all players an illusion of a chance at either PORK or DPORK. That's why they broke up. Staying together was never an option. Babu told Kalooser the deal to support him in 2022 was premised on winning in 2017

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2021, 11:00:43 AM »
Nancy Gitau plan is to reduce Babu to a team player by elevating the others. Once they are all equal - they can force him to back Gideon.If he refuses he is only then a Luo leader - that is why Nancy and Gideon are funding OKA and Kingis

But Ruto obviously has proven a real tough cookie. I expect Uhuru after his final ditch effort in mt kenya the next few months  - to abandon that project - unless

Ruto must resign to join UDA? - somewhere in June 10ths? That will allow Uhuru to quickly appoint Gideon MOi.

Ruto must never give up DPORK otherwise the dumb son of Moi will rule us again.

Amazing Pundito's "big head" can't see through this.

Who benefits from a weaker Babu?



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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2021, 11:05:44 AM »
Nancy Gitau plan is to reduce Babu to a team player by elevating the others. Once they are all equal - they can force him to back Gideon. But Ruto obviously has proven a real tough cookie. I expect Uhuru after his final ditch effort in mt kenya the next few months  - to abandon that project - unless

 Ruto must resign to join UDA? - somewhere in June 10ths? That will allow Uhuru to quickly appoint Gideon MOi.
Amazing Pundito's "big head" can't see through this.

Who benefits from a weaker Babu?



You don't get it.

Does Ruto gain/lose from a weakened Babu?
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2021, 11:21:55 AM »
Not according to their plan. Their plan is to promote ethnic thiefs like they did in by-election so Ruto doesnt gain from NASA - Babu loses.

Me think you have LOW IQ if you cannot see that.

Babu is not being weaken - only - but the Kingis, Kalonzo, maDvds and others are being elevated to defend their turf.

In that plan - therefore - Ruto doesnt gain - and then eventually they go for Ruto in Mt kenya - by presenting the better Kalenjin in Gideon Moi

You don't get it.

Does Ruto gain/lose from a weakened Babu?