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Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« on: August 28, 2021, 07:41:17 AM »
Look like project Raila has been abandoned - and it appears project succeed himself is on - with a lot of faith on supreme court. I am not sure how long the lameduck will take to realize nobody gives a damn about his retiring sorryself and folks are going to be looking at post Uhuru kenya (atta)


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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2021, 08:02:34 AM »
Look like he is campaigning for third term or an extension - after the death of BBI - he now run back to Big 4 and campaign blitz like he is running again.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/state-shakes-publicity-of-uhuru-legacy-plans-3526576

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2021, 08:09:36 AM »
Supreme Court is a captured Court by Uhuru.Its upon them though based on how they rule will affect how they will be perceived come Aug 2022 elections.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2021, 08:26:19 AM »
What changed - from 2017- the replacement of Maraga and Ojwang - with Ouko and Koome. I think Mlevi is under delusion. Koome is looking at 8yrs and Mlevi has less than one year to exit. He will be dropped from the sky and left to fall with big thud. He is lameduck and irrelevant but he just dont know....

SCORK judges gave him enough clues when they refused to apply for president of judiciary/court seeing what Uhuru had done to Maraga and Mwilu.

He can only be assured of the Njoki - who has no business being in that court.

Supreme Court is a captured Court by Uhuru.Its upon them though based on how they rule will affect how they will be perceived come Aug 2022 elections.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2021, 08:52:35 AM »


Exactly 2 people can tilt the balance. These 2 people were put there by Uhuru and cronies. They cut deals .

What changed - from 2017- the replacement of Maraga and Ojwang - with Ouko and Koome. I think Mlevi is under delusion. Koome is looking at 8yrs and Mlevi has less than one year to exit. He will be dropped from the sky and left to fall with big thud. He is lameduck and irrelevant but he just dont know....

SCORK judges gave him enough clues when they refused to apply for president of judiciary/court seeing what Uhuru had done to Maraga and Mwilu.

He can only be assured of the Njoki - who has no business being in that court.

Supreme Court is a captured Court by Uhuru.Its upon them though based on how they rule will affect how they will be perceived come Aug 2022 elections.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2021, 11:09:10 AM »
They were not picked from the streets; on their own they were supremely qualified court of appeal judges; of high repute. They will not soil their careers and legacy for Uhuru short term goals - unless he was paying a billion shilling.

Koome knows she need public goodwill and judiciary support to succeed - she will drop Uhuru from the sky. Uhuru is a lameduck going home - koome has 8 yrs in judiciary. She has Uhuru thing hanging over a head and she will relish the chance to establish herself as a reformist.

Bottomline - BBI in supreme court - will get more beating - unless they are appealing on legal academic issues - but on facts - BBI is hopeless.

She already warned them - not to bring BBI to her.

Exactly 2 people can tilt the balance. These 2 people were put there by Uhuru and cronies. They cut deals .

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2021, 01:16:23 PM »
The only "byzantine" thing is your many threads on the subject. Uhuru strategy is

1) split Mt Kenya into Gema-led cocoons - then have the poodles back Raila

2) hammer Handshake deal of Raila + OKA + Gema

If this is too complex or byzantine for you just know Uhuru day & night job is to ensure Ruto defeat.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2021, 01:31:32 PM »
When did you discover this strategy. You are nowayaha mode - reporting events after they happened. I am not interested in the summary of the events of last few months - I was there.

I am interested in predicting his moves and understanding his end game.

If it's to stop Ruto at all level - I dont see commensurate investment in time and money. I see misuse of police and that pretty making Uhuru unpopular and Ruto very popular.

So yes the plan is too complicated to work. How do you explain to Mt kenya this splitting of their vote?

Too much board room intrigues and zero ground game - byzantine to me.

The only "byzantine" thing is your many threads on the subject. Uhuru strategy is

1) split Mt Kenya into Gema-led cocoons - then have the poodles back Raila

2) hammer Handshake deal of Raila + OKA + Gema

If this is too complex or byzantine for you just know Uhuru day & night job is to ensure Ruto defeat.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2021, 01:53:51 PM »
Uhuru Raila + OKA efforts are obvious - he wants Handshake camp intact. You can tell in this he is the Gema chief - he will deliver the vote by messing Ruto.

What do you mean by time and money? Jubilee tie with UDA in Kiambu is thanks to Uhuru efforts - otherwise PEP and UDA scored 60% in Juja and Rurii. This TIE is the real reason Kurias are emboldened - Ruto has not conquered Uhuru and needs them. Or else.

You have many threads whining very loudly about Uhuru undermining Ruto. If Uhuru was so hopeless you would not be worried. Every time you cry war is coming - we take it as a sign of Ruto suffering ground losses. Your noises are directly proportional to Uhuru success.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2021, 01:58:03 PM »
If the intention is to back Raila - why is he weakening him - NASA officially died - ODM has been weaken after loosing it coastal mijikenda stronghold - in western - maDVD has taken over Kakamega with Matungu win - and Ford-K with their win -  in fact only place Raila seem to be making headway is Gusii - after finishing off Matiangi. The same in GEMA - if the plan is to front raila - why split it into small tribes?

Now tell me - how you destroy something into granular pieces - just to piece them together again. Isn't that byzantine.

Isnt it like BBI - where Uhuru broke 20 laws - wasted so much time? DID HE REALLY WANT BBI ? Or it was part of some byzantine gameplan

Now to my threads on Uhuru - I want Uhuru to beat Ruto in free, fair and credible manner.

If not - then prepare for war. It's very simple.

When dealing with Ruto and Kalenjin nation - some strategies should be off limits

If you're unable to combine Raila plus OKA plus Muturi plus everyone else and BEAT RUTO IN A FAIR AND FREE ELECTION - please do not kill our lovely country.

I offer my probono services to Uhuru if Nancy Gitau byzantine plan no longer make sense - just get the hell out of using police, trying to kill or harm Ruto, or trying to rig supreme court or IEBC. Those are WAR DECLARATIONS.


We want free, fair and credible elections because Ruto has a two million warriors ready for battle should they perceived he has been rigged or harmed. That is reality 101 of 2022.

Uhuru Raila + OKA efforts are obvious - he wants Handshake camp intact. You can tell in this he is the Gema chief - he will deliver the vote by messing Ruto.

What do you mean by time and money? Jubilee tie with UDA in Kiambu is thanks to Uhuru efforts - otherwise PEP and UDA scored 60% in Juja and Rurii. This TIE is the real reason Kurias are emboldened - Ruto has not conquered Uhuru and needs them. Or else.

You have many threads whining very loudly about Uhuru undermining Ruto. If Uhuru was so hopeless you would not be worried. Every time you cry war is coming - we take it as a sign of Ruto suffering ground losses. Your noises are directly proportional to Uhuru success.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2021, 02:13:35 PM »
 :) Any Ruto defeat is "betrayal" or such undemocratic nonsense. I read somewhere that Kalenjin believed "the deal" was Moi was to die in office ala Jomo - so they attacked all diaspora to revenge Matiba, Jaramogi, etc attempt to eject Moi.

See? Kalenjin madness got nothing to do with Uhuru. Barbarians will be barbarians. Uhuru opening Gema eyes to this is what makes you whine and issue threats here.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2021, 02:20:49 PM »
Yes Kalenjin are obviously savages - because few tribes can commit their kind of crimes they do in such massive scale - that I have to admit - in fact in 1992 - as young boy - I was totally suprised by how savergy kalenjin can become. This was my first war experiences - and what I heard from our farm worker who had come from Angata Barigoi near TZ border and stayed in Molo for 1yr just battling and stealing cows was gut wrenchign - and read from news were truly shocking for me - ripping apart pregnant women to confirm if child was boy so they could kill - was terrible - or burning kiambaa - those are terrible crimes - but when I asked why - kalenjin told me - kikuyus from mau mau and their 92 experience had no war code - maasai and kalenjin fights for example generally has some war code or Geneva type of war crimes. I remember Belsoi burial - where he was buried I think minus the head - kones was stoking fires - telling warriors that when it came to kikuyus - there was no war code.

I have heard stories of kalenjin-maasai war - people take a break go for lunch - comeback - break for the day - resume tomorrow - it almost like a sport - with 2 or 3 dead people and many injured  but it almost ends like nothing happen --- a sport kalenjin use to practise in pre-colonial era of stage friendly wars - like army friendly fire - now small part of that is done in MTC - where MTC raid each other.

Anyway I digress - whatever the case - next election has to MEET VERY HIGH STANDARDS or they will be war. Maybe there will be war anyway if Ruto loses - maybe they will vent on kikuyus for not voting at same level - but the best we can hope for are

1) Ruto wins  or 2) Loses in such a big way or in such an election of highest standard.

I am afraid so far those standards have already fallen short - Ruto already listed 20 incidents almost of him being blocked from campaigns or such.

At this stage war is almost inevitable unless Ruto win.

:) Any Ruto defeat is "betrayal" or such undemocratic nonsense. I read somewhere that Kalenjin believed "the deal" was Moi was to die in office ala Jomo - so they attacked all diaspora to revenge Matiba, Jaramogi, etc attempt to eject Moi.

See? Kalenjin madness got nothing to do with Uhuru. Barbarians will be barbarians. Uhuru opening Gema eyes to this is what makes you whine and issue threats here.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2021, 03:15:24 PM »
Stop copying and pasting that airhead called Itumbi nonsense here. Talk to the people in the know like yours truly. Uhuru Muigai Mwaura Ngengi wants to leave behind an united country and a less corrupt nation. it just happens that Ruto is not known for unity or being less corrupt. By the time we are done with Ruto atakuwa kitu bure. Tell your elders to be ready for siasa bila chuki. We are moving the nation forward without Ruto and we do not want to leave Nandis and Kipsigis behind. Mandago is going to be a key player on the side of Nandis and Buzeki will be a high ranking officer in the next govt

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2021, 03:22:43 PM »
Okay - why are you addressing us mere mortals - we are analysts and political pundits - we are not involved in any of those games. We are watching these dangerous moves and we are praying for the best.
Stop copying and pasting that airhead called Itumbi nonsense here. Talk to the people in the know like yours truly. Uhuru Muigai Mwaura Ngengi wants to leave behind an united country and a less corrupt nation. it just happens that Ruto is not known for unity or being less corrupt. By the time we are done with Ruto atakuwa kitu bure. Tell your elders to be ready for siasa bila chuki. We are moving the nation forward without Ruto and we do not want to leave Nandis and Kipsigis behind. Mandago is going to be a key player on the side of Nandis and Buzeki will be a high ranking officer in the next govt

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2021, 05:33:22 PM »
Uhuru is not sponsoring OKA to weaken Baba but to give them a cause to support him. He ,of course, is at pains to insert Giddy into all this.

He has zero intentions of clinging to power and he has no wherewithal for this goal.

Why is Uhunye more indebted to Giddy than Ruto?

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2021, 05:55:14 PM »
It doesnt make sense for OKA to break up NASA - and then go back to Raila. In breaking up from NASA - they were running from Raila.

As for Uhunye - and Giddy - you really don't know the role of Gideon in Uhuru 2002 bid?

It goes like this. Moi before 1999 - was listening to Biwott - and Biwott - had planned for Saitoti to become PORK - and Biwwot to become DPORK. In come Gideon Moi. His first war was to kick out Kulei - who was Moi's bagman.  Next he took over statehouse and kabarnet - banned Biwott from seeing Moi anytime - and then brought in Uhuru -with Ruto as their KYM. Both Biwott and Kulei were kicked out from Kitchen Cabinet when Moi was told they have been conning him from deals - and had registered companies or kickbacks in their names

They started whistle campaign (like Ruto had been subjected to) - that Saitoi and Biwott - were upto no good - Moi knew Saitoti to be a miser - and when he asked him if he had money for 2002 campaigns - Saitoti was non-committal. Gideon and Ruto had convinced Moi that Uhuru would not only bring Kenyatta family wealth for campaigns but also would sell in GEMA.


Moi started to entertain the idea - however he knew both Gideon and Uhuru - were totally political clueless - Gideon could not even speak Kiswahili. Moi tasked Ruto to politically mentor them - take them to harambees - political rallies-  they were enrolled for kiswahil lessons - and Ruto took them through public speaking lessons.

Uhuru was then nominated as MP with Mark Too forced to resign. Next he was appointed Minister. Next he was KANU vice-chair. Next Moi announced this was the GUY :) . All this in a span of 1yr almost.

All this happened in less than 2yrs...Therefore both Uhuru and Gideon knows with power and money - anything is possible - you can come from drinking and playing casino the whole day - to being Mp, Minister and almost PORK in very short time.

 
Uhuru gameplan was simple fire Ruto and hire Gideon Moi as DPORK. After that he can even resign few months to election - and before you know Gideon Moi is your president :D :D

I think Ruto has frustrated them because he knows their thinking - Raila is redherring - that is why Ruto started hustler-dynasty narrative.

Some fool called Raila actually still believe to this day that Raila is Moi-Kenyatta choice - hiyo ni NDOTO YA MJANA

The real planners of OKA and Raila are gideon and kenyatta - working with Nancy Gitau and Uhuru young brother - Muhoho kenyatta. - where they are spinning all these byzantine moves - their work on Raila is almost done - reduce Raila to Luo King - keep him close and fix him in jujistus move - the next OKA plus Raila meeting - he will find Kingi, muturi and other ethnic lords :) - the more the merrier he will be told - as Ruto is the only ENEMY . That is Nancy Gitau and her consultants job to come up with crazy plans  and for Uk-GM to finance them. RUTO unlike Raila has invested in parrallel intelligence so know their gameplan.

Only Ruto is stopping Gideon MOi from becoming Uhuru DPORK and ultimately PORK. They will try to frustrate Ruto so he can resign - within days - Uhuru will tell Raila - we need to appease Kalenjin - so Gideon Moi comes in - few months to election - Uhuru resigns  - and Gideon Moi runs as an incumbent.

The funny thing - like 2002 - Raila has learnt nothing - when Moi was planning Uhuru move - he was all over thinking Moi was kicking out Saitoti - so he can come in :) :) - and he was the CHOSEN one - he stood shoulders over everyone else in KANU  :D :D :D :D - when Orengo tried to say MAGEUZI - Raila send his goons to crush them. HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE.

Until one day in Transmara - Moi unleashed his secret card - and Raila was caught totally flatfooted.

SOME FOOLS NEVER LEARN. 20yrs. The same script.

Uhuru is not sponsoring OKA to weaken Baba but to give them a cause to support him. He ,of course, is at pains to insert Giddy into all this.

He has zero intentions of clinging to power and he has no wherewithal for this goal.

Why is Uhunye more indebted to Giddy than Ruto?

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2021, 08:33:18 PM »
Your 2002 nostaligia always misses one small fact - Kanu was beaten and in fact destroyed. It was Ruto's first big failure not Raila's. Blinkers.

Why is Uhuru scheme byzantine when you already know the fine details? Obviously this Ruto intelligence is so magical - now you know what they are planning with Mama Ngina to the AoB.

After 2 years of clinging to Uhururopia during open bloody civil war in Jubilee - 1 more year of they are playing Raila - now it seems Giddy-Uhuru are playing Raila  :)

It's not hard to discern the motive of your byzantine [sic] tales. Ruto is in a corner - a slippery rope. Otherwise calm down - it's not so complicated. Uhuru and Gideon maybe chameleons like their dads - but Giddy for one has not managed to scale up national. Raila is nailing this - the one who really failed to learn anything is Ruto. 8 years ago noone could contain his 10-10 excitement. Now the man he backed for 20 years is overseeing his loss with a personal vendetta.

If you think Raila and others are fools or gullible look in the mirror.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2021, 08:43:26 PM »
You're typical naive ODMer. You live in the world of HTML - WHAT YOU IS WHAT YOU GET :). Politics has a lot more intrigues. That is why it not easy to predict - lots of dirty games, treachery, debauchery, trickery, lies, murders and all nasty things.

You know I have never bought into Raila story from day one. From historical analysis alone it doesnt make sense. I DO NOT BELIEVE a Uhuru-Kenyatta or Moi will ever endorse a Raila.

You need to find out what Nancy Gitau is upto.

Find out why Uhuru and Gideon financed NASA to break up into individual parties. Who financed the coast group to get out of ODM.

All these intended to weaken Raila. Raila realized too late when Uhuru invited 4 OKA principles - he asked to tag along Oparanya :)

Who sponsored that recent opinion poll showing Raila is at 15 percent - I bet Nancy Gitau.

Raila is being dealt with - without his knowledge - because he is NAIVE - this almost tribal tag of the Luos


As of yesterday based on Itumbi Intelligence - Raila was officialy DROPPED - because the remaining Kieleweke Mps said he cannot be sold in Mt Kenya. - Maina Kamanda, Tuju and Murathe - function have ended.

Now they are going into next phase - try to force RUto out DPORK - and try to fight Ruto in Mt kenya - but ultimately Gideon Moi is the guy being primed.

If it doesnt work - they will negotiate with Ruto. NEVER Raila. Those guys trust Ruto 100 percent compared to Raila

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Your 2002 nostaligia always misses one small fact - Kanu was beaten and in fact destroyed. It was Ruto's first big failure not Raila's. Blinkers.

Why is Uhuru scheme byzantine when you already know the fine details? Obviously this Ruto intelligence is so magical - now you know what they are planning with Mama Ngina to the AoB.

After 2 years of clinging to Uhururopia during open bloody civil war in Jubilee - 1 more year of they are playing Raila - now it seems Giddy-Uhuru are playing Raila  :)

It's not hard to discern the motive of your byzantine [sic] tales. Ruto is in a corner - a slippery rope. Otherwise calm down - it's not so complicated. Uhuru and Gideon maybe chameleons like their dads - but Giddy for one has not managed to scale up national. Raila is nailing this - the one who really failed to learn anything is Ruto. 8 years ago noone could contain his 10-10 excitement. Now the man he backed for 20 years is overseeing his loss with a personal vendetta.

If you think Raila and others are fools or gullible look in the mirror.

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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2021, 08:48:21 PM »
You think Nancy Gitau was tasked to just say RAILA TOSHA. Uhuru can say that in a day.
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Re: Uhuru byzantine succession plan
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2021, 08:51:31 PM »
Here I found Itumbi HNIB - you better wake up :) . The conclusion is Raila-Gideon ticket. I believe that has now been dropped - Raila cannot be sold in Mt kenya. That idea has been dropped.