US and NATO wasted billions and lives - Afgan falling to Taliban

[RV Pundit]

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Why intervene where you're clearly not needed. All that needed to happen was to ban Afgan and make it pariah state like North Korea for engaging in international terror. Ban anybody trading with it. Ban any travel outside it. Give incentive to neigbeouring countries to blockade their borders with Afgan.

Like Somalia - leave them alone - eventually they will deal with Taliban on their own terms. The afgan will revolt on their own

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-58197706

[Kadudu]

The arms industry is a driving force of the US economy. The industry always needs a war once in a decade to get rid of the surplus arms and also test new weapons. Peace does not mean well for this mighty industry.

[RV Pundit]

They better find something else - like buy shares in facebook or google or bitcoins - and make more money. You cannot kill people for sports.

The arms industry is a driving force of the US economy. The industry always needs a war once in a decade to get rid of the surplus arms and also test new weapons. Peace does not mean well for this mighty industry.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The arms industry is a driving force of the US economy. The industry always needs a war once in a decade to get rid of the surplus arms and also test new weapons. Peace does not mean well for this mighty industry.

[Nefertiti]

The embrassment is most noteworthy. The US and Nato incompetence at training an Afghan force to take on Taliban ragtag militia. The US-trained "special forces" just flee and abandon their positions and weapons. Bure kabisa.

Such episodes are markers of the fall of America; -akin to Britain during the Suez Canal crisis.

[RV Pundit]

US alone have spent 1 trillion. The European NATO maybe 500B. If they had invested the money in building Afgan infrastructure - it would be a developed country now. If they put the same on Africa - we would be very far.

According to the US Department of Defense, the total military expenditure in Afghanistan (from October 2001 until September 2019) had reached $778bn.

In addition, the US state department - along with the US Agency for International Development (USAID) and other government agencies - spent $44bn on reconstruction projects.

That brings the total cost - based on official data - to $822bn between 2001 and 2019, but it doesn't include any spending in Pakistan, which the US uses as a base for Afghan-related operations.

The embrassment is most noteworthy. The US and Nato incompetence at training an Afghan force to take on Taliban ragtag militia. The US-trained "special forces" just flee and abandon their positions and weapons. Bure kabisa.

Such episodes are markers of the fall of America; -akin to Britain during the Suez Canal crisis.

[vooke]

Rich lessons for our Somalia misadventures

[RV Pundit]

Yes we can never win that one. Thankfully the AU/EU are picking the tabs. Once Amisom stop picking the tabs - we need to comeback. Somalia and Afgan and Yemenis - those are crazy places - with harden people you cannot subdue

Go in bomb the shiet out of it and declare victory - and run. Dont get bogged down in a war you cannot win. The war is useless if civilian do not buy your agenda - and these muslims will never buy a non-muslim agenda.

Rich lessons for our Somalia misadventures

[RV Pundit]

Taliban on the outskirts of Kabul - look like gov will hand it over to Taliban without drama

This such an egg on NATO - they should disband it.

I hope they remember to evacuate Afganis collaborators who could get punished by Taliban.

[Nefertiti]

Worst this is not even proxy war like Iraq or Syria where Russia-Iran back Assad vs Saudis & NATO side. Afghan is pure Taliban thugs literally running big, bad Nato out of town. How can troops trained by US for years be overrun in few days.

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[gout]

Very good there is little resistance and drama. Mzungu media is not happy there are no mass slaughter photos to just redeployment and more investments in killing machines.

[Fairandbalanced]

How long can you protect people from themselves, at what cost of life and resources? Biden or even Trump was right in this case, get the hell out of the place and let the chips fall. The so called army with NATO training and resources disappeared or joined the Tali to share the spoils. The USA needs to start taking care of its people, these foreign adventures is what gave us four years of hell with Trump. There is a huge disaffected population of white who feel left out. I just came back from Seattle and Portland, the level of homelessness there in mind boggling.

[RV Pundit]

Yes, US should focus on internal issues, and UN should be elevated to deal with global issues. Make the UNSC works and US will not need to become the world policeman. The UN Security Council was made for that purpose. Reform the UN and give her teeth.

At least with the UN - there is legitimacy - that the US or any other power lacks.

If we need a global standing army - let each country contribute 1000 troops - and that will instantly be 180,000 troops - let them be trained on international intervention.

So if we go to Afgan as a world force - with each country - sending 500 troops - they will listen. Or at least 100 countries backed by UN - and all agreeing to sanctions and make Afgan a pariah state...or whatever the UNSC resolution would be.

But somehow the US-appointed themselves to be the World Policeman and they have completely failed everywhere they have gone.

How long can you protect people from themselves, at what cost of life and resources? Biden or even Trump was right in this case, get the hell out of the place and let the chips fall. The so called army with NATO training and resources disappeared or joined the Tali to share the spoils. The USA needs to start taking care of its people, these foreign adventures is what gave us four years of hell with Trump. There is a huge disaffected population of white who feel left out. I just came back from Seattle and Portland, the level of homelessness there in mind boggling.

[RV Pundit]

It's over for US and NATO - President has fled

Breaking....Ashraf Ghani has fled Kabul @CNN

— Ahmednasir Abdullahi SC (@ahmednasirlaw) August 15, 2021

[vooke]

As early as 2015 top military brass admitted they had no strategy, no goal. And they constantly lied about the progress, Obama, Bush, Trump administrations.

Question is WHY

[RV Kirgit]

As early as 2015 top military brass admitted they had no strategy, no goal. And they constantly lied about the progress, Obama, Bush, Trump administrations.

Question is WHY

Looks oddly similar to covid pharmaceutical industrial complex

The old and retiring USD world order was backed by Military industrial complex. The new digital cbdc shitcoin will obviously need some physical force to back up. Now they starting to dismantle old system as they role out new one as part of so-called great reset. New system ushered in by covfefe (sp) industrial complex

Read Brazil gov get pressured to hand Military to pfizer to back vaccine

[RV Kirgit]

The scene looks staged.

The USA probably left after training and arming jihads, then blame it on having left huge weapons in Afghanistan on impromptu departure.

The Chinese or other foreign entity will come head on with trained and armed militia like Russia osama

[Georgesoros]

you cant change anything, Unless you change a culture. Afghans had no will to fight the religious zealots. Now that USA has left they will fight among themselves.

[Gikomba_Hawker]

I wonder what have happened in that country if Ahmad Shah Massoud had never been killed.