UGANDA Trip BOMBSHELL: "UHURU Saved RUTO from ICC!"

[Gikomba_Hawker]

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UGANDA Trip BOMBSHELL: "UHURU Saved RUTO from ICC!"

[RV Pundit]

Again lots of desperate and ignorant propaganda.

Ruto cannot be ever be retried by ICC for 2007 crimes - but Uhuru can. It called double jeopardy. Ruto case went to conclusion from the prosecution side and charges were dismissed - with Ruto having to NOT defend himself.

Uhuru case never began - it became a mistrial.Uhuru can be retried because his case never really began. There was a pre-trial to confirm charges and later a mistrial. He was never tried. Ruto was tried.

Ruto cannot be retried for crimes against humanity. His case was already prosecuted. If Ocampo wanted to save the case for the future - he would have withdrawn the charges like he did Uhuru case but he went on with thin evidence.

What Ruto can be tried for now is for Administration of Justice charges - like Gicheru - not for Crimes against Humanity.

Double Jeopardy -Prohibits anyone from being prosecuted twice for substantially the same crime.

[Gikomba_Hawker]

3. DID THE CHAMBER ACCEPT THE SUBMISSIONS OF THE DEFENCE?

Partly. The Chamber by majority accepted that the case for the prosecution was weak and, therefore, the case should be terminated. To
that extent, the Defence submissions were successful. But the Defence submissions were not successful as regards granting judgments
of acquittal. The Chamber declined to enter a judgment of acquittal. In particular, the Chamber made it clear that the case could be
prosecuted afresh in future.

7. WHY DID THE CHAMBER MAJORITY DECLINE TO ENTER A JUDGMENT OF ACQUITTAL?

Judge Eboe-Osuji was of the view that, because there was evidence which suggested that witnesses had been interfered with and
because there had been political interference in a manner that was likely to have intimidated witnesses, the case should be declared a
mistrial, leaving by that the possibility for a future prosecution afresh. Although Judge Fremr expressed a preference for entering an
acquittal, he accepted that there had been witness interference and political meddling which the accused had profited from even
though there was no evidence of their personal involvement in it. He therefore accepted that the special circumstances of the case
justified leaving open the opportunity to re-prosecute the accused.

No. In addition to the possibility that the Prosecutor may prosecute the accused afresh in future, the Prosecutor may also continue her
investigations into allegations of witness interference and bring charges under article 70 of the Statute.

Questions and answers arising from the decision of no-case to answer in the case of
Prosecutor v Ruto and Sang
https://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/PIDS/publications/EN-QandA-Ruto.pdf

[RV Pundit]

Okay that clarifies. Yes he can be retired for CAH. This therefore was a mistrial.

3. DID THE CHAMBER ACCEPT THE SUBMISSIONS OF THE DEFENCE?

Partly. The Chamber by majority accepted that the case for the prosecution was weak and, therefore, the case should be terminated. To
that extent, the Defence submissions were successful. But the Defence submissions were not successful as regards granting judgments
of acquittal. The Chamber declined to enter a judgment of acquittal. In particular, the Chamber made it clear that the case could be
prosecuted afresh in future.

7. WHY DID THE CHAMBER MAJORITY DECLINE TO ENTER A JUDGMENT OF ACQUITTAL?

Judge Eboe-Osuji was of the view that, because there was evidence which suggested that witnesses had been interfered with and
because there had been political interference in a manner that was likely to have intimidated witnesses, the case should be declared a
mistrial, leaving by that the possibility for a future prosecution afresh. Although Judge Fremr expressed a preference for entering an
acquittal, he accepted that there had been witness interference and political meddling which the accused had profited from even
though there was no evidence of their personal involvement in it. He therefore accepted that the special circumstances of the case
justified leaving open the opportunity to re-prosecute the accused.

No. In addition to the possibility that the Prosecutor may prosecute the accused afresh in future, the Prosecutor may also continue her
investigations into allegations of witness interference and bring charges under article 70 of the Statute.

Questions and answers arising from the decision of no-case to answer in the case of
Prosecutor v Ruto and Sang
https://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/PIDS/publications/EN-QandA-Ruto.pdf

[Nowayhaha]

I believe we have entered campaign period. Anything will be turned political. What I know from emotions on ground in that Mt Kenya will vote for Ruto to a man. The only other person who might be an alternative and I was suprised on that would be Mudavadi. However if Raila is on the ballot Ruto would win by 8 oclock in the Morning. If Raila decides to Tosha someone else he will disenfanchize Mt Kenya Voters and likely there would be voter apathy and lower voter registration and lower voter turnout.
The so called many parties  Mt Kenya East and West are not working as strategy plans. These people look at Raila as common enemy who should be defeated come rain come sunshine.

UGANDA Trip BOMBSHELL: "UHURU Saved RUTO from ICC!"

[RV Pundit]

Yes either madvd or kalonzo can take some votes but Raila is a hard sell.Anyway let just say frustration Ruto is going through is borne from the realization that he can't be stopped.Ruto should invest on his personal security otherwise I don't see how he can be beaten...when you can sell in gema and non gema then it's impossible to e

[Nowayhaha]

Ruto does well and blames Handshake. Mt Kenya also blame handshake for beimg forgotten matters development and economic problems.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/dp-ruto-links-abortive-trip-to-uganda-to-handshake--3498042

[Kadudu]

Lots of propaganda. These characters reporting here are on someone else's payroll. That story of ICC is just trash.

[RV Pundit]

Mutahi Ngunyi thing - he has turned those poor young guys into pitiable fools - they almost have to release daily propaganda against Ruto.

Lots of propaganda. These characters reporting here are on someone else's payroll. That story of ICC is just trash.

[patel]

Uganda trip mainly about regional politics. Read Congo. Uhuru and Raila have decided to loot and siphon minerals from DRC using kenya military as private army through their puppet Tshikendi....Museveni and Kagame are neck deep looting DRC minerals. Uganda and Rwanda military heavily present in DRC. Musseveni is not happy with Uhuru he thinks this might be a flash point of bigger regional conflict. However,, Uhuru and Raila thinks this is a golden opportunity to cash in. Uhuru has no plan of vacating presidency in 2022 he wants to hang on so he can keep using kenya military as his own private army.

[Kadudu]

A lot of speculation. Uhuru will leave come August 2022. There is no other way out. Even Raila cannot save him there.
DRC is a looting ground. I do not think Kenya is so much involved like Uganda and Rwanda, but Kenya is just a transit point for DRC looted minerals.

Uganda trip mainly about regional politics. Read Congo. Uhuru and Raila have decided to loot and siphon minerals from DRC using kenya military as private army through their puppet Tshikendi....Museveni and Kagame are neck deep looting DRC minerals. Uganda and Rwanda military heavily present in DRC. Musseveni is not happy with Uhuru he thinks this might be a flash point of bigger regional conflict. However,, Uhuru and Raila thinks this is a golden opportunity to cash in. Uhuru has no plan of vacating presidency in 2022 he wants to hang on so he can keep using kenya military as his own private army.

[Wa Njambi]

I am ashamed.

Mutahi Ngunyi thing - he has turned those poor young guys into pitiable fools - they almost have to release daily propaganda against Ruto.

Lots of propaganda. These characters reporting here are on someone else's payroll. That story of ICC is just trash.

[Gikomba_Hawker]

Case: The Prosecutor v. Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta

The Chamber stressed also that, although the proceedings shall be terminated, the Court retains jurisdiction over any interference with a witness or with the collection of evidence and that the protective measures ordered for witnesses and/or victims shall continue, subject to the review by the Court.

The Chamber recalled that, in its previous decision of 3 December 2014, it had indicated that, in the event of a withdrawal of charges by the Prosecution at this time, the principle of ne bis in idem would not attach, and it would be open to the Prosecution to bring 'new charges against the accused at a later date, based on the same or similar factual circumstances, should it obtain sufficient evidence to support such a course of action'.

Kenyatta case: Trial Chamber V(B) terminates the proceedings
https://www.icc-cpi.int/pages/item.aspx?name=pr1099

[RV Pundit]

So for Uhuru - if the prosecution ever finds evidence from dead Mungiki - it can restart trial - without going from confirmation hearing.

Anyway both of these cases are dead - because OTP lost their face - with Ocampo lack of proffesionalism.

Let hear Paul Gicheru side...prosecution as always will go wild with paper thin evidence - almost hearsay..I believe Paul Gicheru wont have taken himself if he was guilty.

Case: The Prosecutor v. Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta

The Chamber stressed also that, although the proceedings shall be terminated, the Court retains jurisdiction over any interference with a witness or with the collection of evidence and that the protective measures ordered for witnesses and/or victims shall continue, subject to the review by the Court.

The Chamber recalled that, in its previous decision of 3 December 2014, it had indicated that, in the event of a withdrawal of charges by the Prosecution at this time, the principle of ne bis in idem would not attach, and it would be open to the Prosecution to bring 'new charges against the accused at a later date, based on the same or similar factual circumstances, should it obtain sufficient evidence to support such a course of action'.

Kenyatta case: Trial Chamber V(B) terminates the proceedings
https://www.icc-cpi.int/pages/item.aspx?name=pr1099

[Gikomba_Hawker]

Do you think Uhuru and Ruto still need each other?

So for Uhuru - if the prosecution ever finds evidence from dead Mungiki - it can restart trial - without going from confirmation hearing.

Anyway both of these cases are dead - because OTP lost their face - with Ocampo lack of proffesionalism.

Let hear Paul Gicheru side...prosecution as always will go wild with paper thin evidence - almost hearsay..I believe Paul Gicheru wont have taken himself if he was guilty.

Case: The Prosecutor v. Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta

The Chamber stressed also that, although the proceedings shall be terminated, the Court retains jurisdiction over any interference with a witness or with the collection of evidence and that the protective measures ordered for witnesses and/or victims shall continue, subject to the review by the Court.

The Chamber recalled that, in its previous decision of 3 December 2014, it had indicated that, in the event of a withdrawal of charges by the Prosecution at this time, the principle of ne bis in idem would not attach, and it would be open to the Prosecution to bring 'new charges against the accused at a later date, based on the same or similar factual circumstances, should it obtain sufficient evidence to support such a course of action'.

Kenyatta case: Trial Chamber V(B) terminates the proceedings
https://www.icc-cpi.int/pages/item.aspx?name=pr1099

[RV Pundit]

Uhuru is done. He is a lame-duck who will be forgotten by Dec this year - because next year is politics 24-7. He has lost Mt Kenya. All he can do is harrass Ruto for few months but ultimately if Mt kenya stick with Ruto - Ruto become PORK. Ruto needs about 60 percent of Mt kenya to nick PORK. He can do with far less if he gets one of NASA principles to back him.

Uhuru, therefore, need Ruto to promise he wont touch him - especially because ck2010 is tough - judiciary may send him BBI bill for starters. That could go as high as 5B Kshs of wastage of public funds.

Few months ago - Uhuru could have made a political truce with Ruto. Now UDA is right inside Mt kenya and eating deeply every day.

Now he going to make a personal truce - because he brings nothing to Ruto political speaking - or he is going to stick his neck out and wait with Matiangi for payback.

In fact he brings political baggage of failed Jubilee promises - so it's better he stick with Raila - so Ruto will only sign a secret personal deal as Moi did with Kibaki.

Do you think Uhuru and Ruto still need each other?

[Gikomba_Hawker]

That was not what I was asking. I'm asking whether Uhuru and Ruto still need each other, in case one (or both) ICC case wakes up?

Uhuru is done. He is lameduck. He has lost Mt Kenya. All he can do is harrass Ruto for few months but ultimately if Mt kenya stick with Ruto - Ruto become PORK. Ruto needs about 60 percent of Mt kenya to nick PORK. He can do with far less if he gets one of NASA principles to back him.

Uhuru, therefore, need Ruto to promise he wont touch him - especially because ck2010 is tough - judiciary may send him BBI bill for starters.

Few months ago - Uhuru could have made a political truce with Ruto.

Now he going to make a personal truce - because he brings nothing to Ruto - or he is going to stick his neck out and wait with Matiangi for payback.

Do you think Uhuru and Ruto still need each other?

[RV Pundit]

They never need each other for ICC. They are different cases with different witnesses and areas of conflict. Politically brilliant Ruto used ICC to win 2013. Ruto is one of the greatest propagandists. In the same way, he using Bottom-Up or Hustler Nation to create a new wave. Raila would be a distant second - he lacks versatility - so he will repeat the same old tired message - of "we are at cross road".

Separate propaganda like (ICC political siege messaging) and technical legal issues.

The Technical-Legal aspect:

ICC cases died because Uhuru killed most of Mungiki witnesses while gov also refused to cooperate with Ocampo to provide evidence and Ruto witnesses who were already in Europe safe houses failed to provide evidence during - and when Ocampo tried to come for new ones - it appears Ruto killed Yebei (who was coordinating the new bunch) and bribed the new ones (We shall hear more from Gicheru)

That was not what I was asking. I'm asking whether Uhuru and Ruto still need each other, in case one (or both) ICC case wakes up?

[Gikomba_Hawker]

Just want to make sure I understand you correctly. Uhuru and Ruto never needed each other in the past?

They never need each other for ICC. They are different cases with different witnesses and areas of conflict. Politically brilliant Ruto used ICC to win 2013. Ruto is one of the greatest propagandists. In the same way, he using Bottom-Up or Hustler Nation to create a new wave. Raila would be a distant second - he lacks versatility - so he will repeat the same old tired message - of "we are at cross road".

Separate propaganda like (ICC political siege messaging) and technical legal issues.

ICC cases died because Uhuru killed most of Mungiki and Ruto witnesses who were already in Europe safe houses failed to provide evidence - and when Ocampo tried to come for new ones - it appears Ruto killed Yebei and bribed the new ones (We shall hear more from Gicheru)

That was not what I was asking. I'm asking whether Uhuru and Ruto still need each other, in case one (or both) ICC case wakes up?

[RV Pundit]

Politically yes of course. Ruto has needed Uhuru since 2002. Long before Ocampo - I predicted in 2008 - just after PEV - after Sagana (Ruto had then lost hope in Raila as pathway to PORK)- that Ruto would deputize Uhuru and go for PORK. Ocampo came in 2010.

Ruto and Moi saw in Uhuru mt kenya entry way back in 2001 - and they could use him as young turks - to enter leadership post Moi era.

Ruto see Uhuru this way - he sees a drunkard who can be sold in Mt kenya and can become a bridge to Kenya PORK - coz mt Kenya vote basket is huge. It worked for Ruto -until recently when the drunkard decided to go rogue.

Uhuru see Ruto - as shagmodo rural boy without pedigree trying to measure up to them by overstealing but who is very good in politics and can do the hardwork

Just want to make sure I understand you correctly. Uhuru and Ruto never needed each other in the past?