Author Topic: No Kenyan politician can hold a candle to my dad – Tom Mboya’s son  (Read 5544 times)

Offline RV Pundit

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The Times in 1969 wrote that - Jaramogi was rabid, emotional, tribalist, just like you.
I recognise talent where it come from.
Including many Luos. For example I have no problem with Ouko become  Justice CJ of Kenya.
I am the least tribal person you'll find.
I find the comparison btw Tuju and Mboya the most insulting. Tuju is windbag.
And I also think lowly of Jaramogi and Raila.
I think highly of Kibaki - even when he disappointed me in 2005 by betraying Raila and kenya dream for non-tribal kenya after NARC.
But I supported Kibaki long before.
As for Kipsigis - there is no day we will be below Luos :) HAKUNA SIKU. You guys are TOO POOR. We employ you to do menial jobs

Seriously speaking - Luos have been messed by Odigaism - to quote Times - RABID EMOTIONAL TRIBALIST like his son

You are trying hard to outdo uthamaki in slandering Luos and Jaramogi recently, perhaps you think its a magic abracabdra phrase that will elevate your chieftain to power, I don't get it. Why are you making a fool of yourself trying to be a faux muthamakist bad mouthing Luos at every turn?. Shonde wewe. Who convince your illiterate Kipsigis soot black ass your are better than anyone? Stay in your lane. Your worthless in grand scheme of things.

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The Times in 1969 wrote that - Jaramogi was rabid, emotional, tribalist, just like you.
I recognise talent where it come from.
Including many Luos. For example I have no problem with Ouko become  Justice CJ of Kenya.
I am the least tribal person you'll find.
I find the comparison btw Tuju and Mboya the most insulting. Tuju is windbag.
And I also think lowly of Jaramogi and Raila.
I think highly of Kibaki - even when he disappointed me in 2005 by betraying Raila and kenya dream for non-tribal kenya after NARC.
But I supported Kibaki long before.
As for Kipsigis - there is no day we will be below Luos :) HAKUNA SIKU. You guys are TOO POOR. We employ you to do menial jobs

Seriously speaking - Luos have been messed by Odigaism - to quote Times - RABID EMOTIONAL TRIBALIST like his son

And that's a fairly normal reaction to comparing a famous figure who was killed at his prime, and had his reputation airbrushed with time, with a living one whose warts we all know about.  Martin Luther King is also seen in a similar light, even by people who would readily dismiss him(maybe even support killing him) were they to meet him in person.  I imagine if Raila died in the 90s, some of his worst detractors would be praising his memory. 

Luos like every other Kenyan have been "messed up" by mtu-wetu syndrome.  Not unique to Luos at all.
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NO. HISTORY is not written like that. It's not an eulogy that you read in funeral where everyone is all nice. Ouko was killed - but can he wash Mboya shoes HELL NO. Anybody who knew or have read what Mboya did in his early age - will not compare Mboya to Tuju or Ouko.

Tom Mboya was waaaay ahead of his time. Obviously he was a politician who had not time for rabid, stupid, ill-educated, emotional, communist Jaramogi.

kibaki intelligence did not go away...so why would mboya


And that's a fairly normal reaction to comparing a famous figure who was killed at his prime, and had his reputation airbrushed with time, with a living one whose warts we all know about.  Martin Luther King is also seen in a similar light, even by people who would readily dismiss him(maybe even support killing him) were they to meet him in person.  I imagine if Raila died in the 90s, some of his worst detractors would be praising his memory. 

Luos like every other Kenyan have been "messed up" by mtu-wetu syndrome.  Not unique to Luos at all.

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I can understand you since you only have lived to see half baked Kenyan politicians who do not see beyond their stomachs. Any other kind of politician to you comes form Mars.
Mboya was one politician who could call for a kamkuji and Kenyans of all walks of life go there to attend the meeting. He was never identified with Nyanza politics and most Luos only embraced him as one of their own after he was assasinated. That assasination almost brought Kenyatta's regime down as many Kikuyus too were disgusted by that killing.
Mind you, Mboya was born in Nyanza, grew up in Central Kenya and eneded up working in Nairobi.
Alone the fact he shaped Kenya's economy and managed to play a very central role in getting young Kenyans to US universities speaks for itself. Many of the government officials who ran the ministries after independence got their education through Mboya's efforts and I know many people's parents that were on that programm.
This air lifting of Kenyan students to US universities laid the foundation of the strong relations Kenyan students have in the US till today. Compare the number of Kenyans in the US to Tanzanians or Ugandans and you will see the difference. So saying Tom Mboya "amounted to nothing" shows your ignorance in history.

Death saved his legacy, he would not have amounted to anything.

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You history too is restricted to your Ololo neigherbhood where Mboya was MP - and therefore you imagine Mboya was popular all over kenya - becuase he was popular in Jeri :)

Mboya politically was not up there - with say Kenyatta or Jaramogi or even Moi.

What Mboya had was big brains, excellent oratory skills, and cunningness (political schemer). He was an Obama - very high IQ, good orator and quick thinker. Ruto is cut from the same cloth..although Ruto is better politician by far than Mboya.

I don't see how he would have won PORK without some jujistu movesNjonjo tried to pull in 1980s or like waiting for Kenyatta to die like Moi did.

All Mboya needed was to scheme using CIA/Internation networks to inherit the dying Kenyatta - and hence his assisination. Those days CIA were busy overthrowing Africa gov. All Mboya needed for a coup like happened one year or two after he died...where Ndolo and Jaramogi were involved. After the coup -  US and Europe would endorse Mboya. That is why he had to die - he was too cunning - and after finishing up jaramogi - with his international network - he could easily turn on Kenyattas.

Kiambu mafai at the point remember did not control Army - the army was mainly Kambas as officers and Kalenjin as foot soldiers - civil services were mostly Luos (Luo were ahead of most tribes education wise) - Indians and even whites were still in many top jobs.

Kenya army first mutinied in 1966 - and then Kenyatta/Kiambu mafia created GSU to counter-balance the army - and in 1970s there was also a coup attempt that was quietly crashed - Jaramogi jailed under house arrest, Ndolo retired and my neighbour - who was china ambassador - also jailed under house arrest. The 1970s coup was backed by Russia/China.

I can understand you since you only have lived to see half baked Kenyan politicians who do not see beyond their stomachs. Any other kind of politician to you comes form Mars.
Mboya was one politician who could call for a kamkuji and Kenyans of all walks of life go there to attend the meeting. He was never identified with Nyanza politics and most Luos only embraced him as one of their own after he was assasinated. That assasination almost brought Kenyatta's regime down as many Kikuyus too were disgusted by that killing.
Mind you, Mboya was born in Nyanza, grew up in Central Kenya and eneded up working in Nairobi.
Alone the fact he shaped Kenya's economy and managed to play a very central role in getting young Kenyans to US universities speaks for itself. Many of the government officials who ran the ministries after independence got their education through Mboya's efforts and I know many people's parents that were on that programm.
This air lifting of Kenyan students to US universities laid the foundation of the strong relations Kenyan students have in the US till today. Compare the number of Kenyans in the US to Tanzanians or Ugandans and you will see the difference. So saying Tom Mboya "amounted to nothing" shows your ignorance in history.

Death saved his legacy, he would not have amounted to anything.

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I think you have misunderstood me.

I cannot remember mentioning anywhere here that Mboya would have become president of Kenya. Of course like any other politician he would have loved to become president. My comments were only based on the fact that, Arcadian_Dreamer reduced Mboya to a normal Kenyan politician who in the end had nothing to offer Kenyans.

Since I assume am older than you, I can tell you what you mentioned about Kenya's social and political structure in the 60's and early 70's is very accurate.

I know you like to associate me with Ololo, but I never lived there. Am a product of Jerusalem the home of Jaramogi, Mwai Kibaki and many other Kenyans who went on to become prominent. Mboya was MP for Kamukunji which included Ololo in those days.

You history too is restricted to your Ololo neigherbhood where Mboya was MP - and therefore you imagine Mboya was popular all over kenya - becuase he was popular in Jeri :)

Mboya politically was not up there - with say Kenyatta or Jaramogi or even Moi.

What Mboya had was big brains, excellent oratory skills, and cunningness (political schemer). He was an Obama - very high IQ, good orator and quick thinker. Ruto is cut from the same cloth..although Ruto is better politician by far than Mboya.

I don't see how he would have won PORK without some jujistu movesNjonjo tried to pull in 1980s or like waiting for Kenyatta to die like Moi did.

All Mboya needed was to scheme using CIA/Internation networks to inherit the dying Kenyatta - and hence his assisination. Those days CIA were busy overthrowing Africa gov. All Mboya needed for a coup like happened one year or two after he died...where Ndolo and Jaramogi were involved. After the coup -  US and Europe would endorse Mboya. That is why he had to die - he was too cunning - and after finishing up jaramogi - with his international network - he could easily turn on Kenyattas.

Kiambu mafai at the point remember did not control Army - the army was mainly Kambas as officers and Kalenjin as foot soldiers - civil services were mostly Luos (Luo were ahead of most tribes education wise) - Indians and even whites were still in many top jobs.

Kenya army first mutinied in 1966 - and then Kenyatta/Kiambu mafia created GSU to counter-balance the army - and in 1970s there was also a coup attempt that was quietly crashed - Jaramogi jailed under house arrest, Ndolo retired and my neighbour - who was china ambassador - also jailed under house arrest. The 1970s coup was backed by Russia/China.


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Death saved his legacy, he would not have amounted to anything.

There is a tendency to glorify famous people killed before/in their prime.  Based on his politics, he seems to have been a bit like Tuju, preferring to canoodle the ruler of the day, rather than promoting any clear ideology.  I'd say a cross between Tuju and Ouko.

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The odinga cult followers will not like Mboya because he finished their man. Mboya of course did evil things - like killing the Lancaster constitution - but I believe he was killed because Mt kenya feared - he was going to overthrow their gov with help of CIA. He had been their chief schemer against Odinga/USSR.

It certainly appears Mboya might have started working on a coup against Kenyatta - with help of Kamba Army officers - who were uncomfortable with Kikuyizaition of Kenya civil services and the army.

Once Mboya died and CIA connections died - I think they hitched the idea to Jaramogi who had USSR/China connection - but that coup attempt was similarly quashed - and architect quietly placed under house arrests - until Moi came and forgave some of them like Jaramogi in attempt to counter-man the Kiambu mafia.

Definitely Tom Mboya would have become Kenya President through a coup - not a popular election.

https://diasporamessenger.com/2019/04/tom-mboyas-ally-plotted/

I think you have misunderstood me.

I cannot remember mentioning anywhere here that Mboya would have become president of Kenya. Of course like any other politician he would have loved to become president. My comments were only based on the fact that, Arcadian_Dreamer reduced Mboya to a normal Kenyan politician who in the end had nothing to offer Kenyans.

Since I assume am older than you, I can tell you what you mentioned about Kenya's social and political structure in the 60's and early 70's is very accurate.

I know you like to associate me with Ololo, but I never lived there. Am a product of Jerusalem the home of Jaramogi, Mwai Kibaki and many other Kenyans who went on to become prominent. Mboya was MP for Kamukunji which included Ololo in those days.