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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2021, 10:30:17 AM »
Its not 30yrs - but 60yrs animus starting in 1960s btw Luos and Kikuyus.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2021, 12:11:57 PM »
At least he knows the wave behind UDA in mt.kenya is railaphobia,I have seen idiots say eti the recent win in Kiambaa should make Ruto afraid coz it was 50-50 but the idiots intentionally fail to say it was Ruto vs Gatheca,if it comes to the main one Ruto vs baba be sure baba will get his usual 2%.
Blame our forefathers for the raila phobia nothing can erase it.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2021, 08:50:09 PM »
Raila strategy is not direct grassroot appeal obviously - save for traditional ODM strongholds. This includes in Gema, Kamba, etc. He has left Jubilee wars to Uhuru and Kieleweke... the 50% who have rejected Ruto despite backing Uhuru 4 times, endless campaigns, harambees, trips, meetings, hustler vs dynasty propaganda, Kikuyu-Meru VP or 50%, name it - these diehards lead by Uhuru, Waigurus, Kaninis, Kimunyas - will back a Muturi or PK. Finally they will back Raila in last minute deals. This strategy is better than the Kuria or Kiunjuri fake "coalition". How do you strike a meaningful deal when you have aready ceded the ground to UDA? If Kiunjuri was gunning seriously for PORK Jubilee would be dead. Instead the fool has a party noone can pronounce (including himself  :) ) - should Ruto shortchange him he would have no plan B.

Raila hands-off strategy is smarter. One it fosters trust cause Uhuru, Muturi or locals don't see any encroahment. Second, it denies Tangatanga chance to use boogeyman. They can only attack Uhuru, Murathe or Tuju - which they have done for 3 years and split Uhuruto 99% block to 50%.

Raila as boogeyman strategy has failed.
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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2021, 09:30:15 PM »
50 percent have rejected RUto is a unproven hypothesis :). At least wait for some opinion poll. The rest sounds like BBI - first I don't know what magic Raila will use to nail Kalonzo and MaDVD. Hiyo ni Ngori.

If the idea is to merge in anti-Ruto coalition; Raila will be told to step down for someone who can at least sell in Mt kenya. If stopping Ruto is more important than anything - then Raila cannot be more important than the cause :)

But if the idea is Raila at all cost (hidden as Anti-Ruto coalition) I think a lot more people will need convincing :)

As for Mt kenya -  PK seems completely dead - at least Muturi has won the support of Kiraitu :).

In the meantime I don't think we will wait until last minute before Mt kenya leadership all joined UDA - the message for those who were willing to listen has been very loud and clearly starting last year in Muranga - so loud and clear - many in Kieleweke has basically run back to RUTO. The list remaining basically are brokers like Kiunjuri and Kega who will sell anything to make money...

Raila strategy is not direct grassroot appeal obviously - save for traditional ODM strongholds. This includes in Gema, Kamba, etc. He has left Jubilee wars to Uhuru and Kieleweke... the 50% who have rejected Ruto despite backing Uhuru 4 times, endless campaigns, harambees, trips, meetings, hustler vs dynasty propaganda, Kikuyu-Meru VP or 50%, name it - these diehards lead by Uhuru, Waigurus, Kaninis, Kimunyas - will back a Muturi or PK. Finally they will back Raila in last minute deals. This strategy is better than the Kuria or Kiunjuri fake "coalition". How do you strike a meaningful deal when you have aready ceded the ground to UDA? If Kiunjuri was gunning seriously for PORK Jubilee would be dead. Instead the fool has a party noone can pronounce (including himself  :) ) - should Ruto shortchange him he would have no plan B.

Raila hands-off strategy is smarter. One it fosters trust cause Uhuru, Muturi or locals don't see any encroahment. Second, it denies Tangatanga chance to use boogeyman. They can only attack Uhuru, Murathe or Tuju - which they have done for 3 years and split Uhuruto 99% block to 50%.

Raila as boogeyman strategy has failed.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2021, 09:35:07 PM »
Raila as his tribesmen have noted is what takes voters to the ballot in Mt Kenya. To vote against him.
A few years ago no one would thought of Mt Kenyans voting for an outsider let alone a Kalenjin. Thanks to Raila they eill vote for Ruto come 2022.

If I was a Raila stategist , the only way to make Ruto unpopular in Mt Kenya is to associate with him , sing praises ,make meetings and buy editors and blogers like Robina who will sell propoganda that Raila is going to support Ruto. With that they will turn to their own.
But being the failure he is , He is going to fight Ruto makimg him more popular in Mt Keny.

Raila strategy is not direct grassroot appeal obviously - save for traditional ODM strongholds. This includes in Gema, Kamba, etc. He has left Jubilee wars to Uhuru and Kieleweke... the 50% who have rejected Ruto despite backing Uhuru 4 times, endless campaigns, harambees, trips, meetings, hustler vs dynasty propaganda, Kikuyu-Meru VP or 50%, name it - these diehards lead by Uhuru, Waigurus, Kaninis, Kimunyas - will back a Muturi or PK. Finally they will back Raila in last minute deals. This strategy is better than the Kuria or Kiunjuri fake "coalition". How do you strike a meaningful deal when you have aready ceded the ground to UDA? If Kiunjuri was gunning seriously for PORK Jubilee would be dead. Instead the fool has a party noone can pronounce (including himself  :) ) - should Ruto shortchange him he would have no plan B.

Raila hands-off strategy is smarter. One it fosters trust cause Uhuru, Muturi or locals don't see any encroahment. Second, it denies Tangatanga chance to use boogeyman. They can only attack Uhuru, Murathe or Tuju - which they have done for 3 years and split Uhuruto 99% block to 50%.

Raila as boogeyman strategy has failed.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2021, 09:40:37 PM »
Raila is not smart; if he was smart; he would be president now; Mt kenya is huge blocker on his way;Ruto told him in 2007 to go round the mountain and back Kalonzo; Kibaki had absolutely no chance against combined ODM in 2007 - which had beaten him by 57 percent in 2005. Kalonzo would have been done by 2017. And Raila would be PORK now or even earlier in 2013 - coz Kalonzo is not smart.

Ruto had to take a 10yr detour by backing Uhuru twice...knowing if betrayal happens...mt kenya would not be keen for another 2007 PEV...so would be reticent to dump him. Of course it helps Ruto is a political genius and has refused to fall into many traps.

But Raila surely I don't see how he can ever win Mt kenya this soon - there is just too much animus.

Raila as his tribesmen have noted is what takes voters to the ballot in Mt Kenya. To vote against him.
A few years ago no one would thought of Mt Kenyans voting for an outsider let alone a Kalenjin. Thanks to Raila they eill vote for Ruto come 2022.

If I was a Raila stategist , the only way to make Ruto unpopular in Mt Kenya is to associate with him , sing praises ,make meetings and buy editors and blogers like Robina who will sell propoganda that Raila is going to support Ruto. With that they will turn to their own.
But being the failure he is , He is going to fight Ruto makimg him more popular in Mt Keny.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2021, 09:53:52 PM »
Ruto is smart politician stayed to his cause. Raila approached him in 2017 when it was clear Uhuru was going to sideline him and priotize looting.
Raila fell in Uhurus trap and was neutralized  .If Ruto would have accepted Raila advances he would be now on the same boat as Raila , finished politically.
If you note after Kiambaa , Raila has changed tact , He is nolonger attacking Ruto , he is nolonger singing Uhuru praises.
His focus now has changed to selling policies and giving alternative choices, He has also resolved to patch up with former NASA principles. It has downed to him that 2022 is a repeat of 2013/2017 elections.



Raila is not smart; if he was smart; he would be president now; Mt kenya is huge blocker on his way;Ruto told him in 2007 to go round the mountain and back Kalonzo; Kalonzo would have been done by 2017. And Raila would be PORK now or even earlier in 2013 - coz Kalonzo is not smart.

Ruto had to take a 10yr detour by backing Uhuru twice...knowing if betrayal happens...mt kenya would not be keen for another 2007 PEV...so would be reticent to dump him. Of course it helps Ruto is a political genius and has refused to fall into many traps.

But Raila surely I don't see how he can ever win Mt kenya this soon - there is just too much animus.

Raila as his tribesmen have noted is what takes voters to the ballot in Mt Kenya. To vote against him.
A few years ago no one would thought of Mt Kenyans voting for an outsider let alone a Kalenjin. Thanks to Raila they eill vote for Ruto come 2022.

If I was a Raila stategist , the only way to make Ruto unpopular in Mt Kenya is to associate with him , sing praises ,make meetings and buy editors and blogers like Robina who will sell propoganda that Raila is going to support Ruto. With that they will turn to their own.
But being the failure he is , He is going to fight Ruto makimg him more popular in Mt Keny.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2021, 11:14:08 PM »
One thing you need to clarify: who has moved to Ruto or UDA? Only Kang'ata, Wamuchomba, Lari MP and another in Gatanga. 4MPs. There is no landslide. You have peddled lies of MPs being with Ruto - which ones? Short of their own public announcement - we can tell who they support by their actions. They vote for Uhuru vested positions and against Ruto every time. BBI vote was in Feb for instance - how many voted for Ruto besides usual suspects? Sonko vote was in Dec. Kindiki impeachment was in May. Duale hanging was in May. Where were these Ruto MPs you are telling us about? Or did they just move last 3 months 8) Since 2 days ago in Kiambaa, Muguga or even Rurii - who has moved to UDA? We only see tweets from Waiguru and Kioni saying they were impressed by Jubilee's performance. Most had been taken by Tangatanga propaganda - this outcome will make them stay in Jubilee not leave. In fact with hopes of BBI resurrection - they will stay put in Jubilee - or move to Muturi camp. UDA is not as popular as you seem to believe. Don't kid yourself.

Handshake lineup is easy. BBI is a solid powersharing deal - compared to Ruto majority leader or speaker or CS. - which is a hard sell on ground. What do you tell people if you are Moses Kuria? - that you are running for MP but will be CS? But Ruto opposes BBI? If you are Kingi or Mutua how can you back Ruto - what do you get that is bankable?

But Raila: first he has much bigger following than Kalonzo or Mdvd. Because he supports hybrid amendment, Mutuas, Johos and all can run for MP while selling CS to be local kingpin. It a win-win deal unlike Ruto win-lose. Now Kalonzo knows he cannot be PORK with 8% - Mdvd knows he cannot be PORK with 4%. What their noises are is POSITIONING. Notice even the noises about party funds - they know NASA boycotted rerun so ODM only gets cash on MP* votes. This is simple sense - it just noise to get big chunk. Kalonzo with Kamba grasp gets VP (not co-president like Ruto); Mdvd with Maragoli gets DPM - he is unhappy with this but still delusional he can get katikati by some Gema appeal. But the fool's entourage is Savula and Sakaja with no single Kikuyu supporter  :) - how can he get PORK? NONE OF THEM - not even Weta or Oparanya - will be caught dead with Ruto. We hear rumors about negotiations spread by Itumbi - then Oparanya or Kalonzo and Weta swiftly and vehemently distance themselves.

Handshake lineup is intact. Weta long bowed to Mdvd in Western. By the way even if BBI dies (unlikely) - it would become new katiba in 100 days ala NARC - and these desparate folks will form Handshake coalition. Ruto has taken a handful of PAWNS - Jumwa, Mwashetani, Wamuchomba - but has hit MENOPAUSE in tribal dealmaking. It ironical eveyone backs untrustworthy Raila. Noone trusts Ruto among the kahunas.

50 percent have rejected RUto is a unproven hypothesis :). At least wait for some opinion poll. The rest sounds like BBI - first I don't know what magic Raila will use to nail Kalonzo and MaDVD. Hiyo ni Ngori.

If the idea is to merge in anti-Ruto coalition; Raila will be told to step down for someone who can at least sell in Mt kenya. If stopping Ruto is more important than anything - then Raila cannot be more important than the cause :)

But if the idea is Raila at all cost (hidden as Anti-Ruto coalition) I think a lot more people will need convincing :)

As for Mt kenya -  PK seems completely dead - at least Muturi has won the support of Kiraitu :).

In the meantime I don't think we will wait until last minute before Mt kenya leadership all joined UDA - the message for those who were willing to listen has been very loud and clearly starting last year in Muranga - so loud and clear - many in Kieleweke has basically run back to RUTO. The list remaining basically are brokers like Kiunjuri and Kega who will sell anything to make money...
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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2021, 11:25:03 PM »
Robina - you can count MPs in Jubilee now with one hand. I think you only heard of Wamuchomba. Actually 4 in Nakuru including David Kariaka, and 4 in Kiambu did that defection the same time.

Anyway - as of now Jubilee of Uhuru mps in mt kenya are about 10-15 max. Ruto has about 50. By december - It will be down to Ngunjiri, Kioni and Kega - kimunya - those ones are interested in Kenyatta billions.

As for Raila - It uphill task to convince Kalonzo - before even MaDVD - and really Weta - done with Raila - just mark timing.

The question everyone who doesn't like Ruto is asking - why Raila? When Raila start with negative in Mt kenya? Why not Kalonzo or MaDVD? If Raila back Kalonzo - Luos will move in - and kikuyus will split.

The choice of Raila therefore won't sell. Just forget it.

Raila therefore will run alone. Maybe OKOA will run with Mt kenya backing of those who cannot stand Ruto - at least it's not a straight jacket home.  Uhuru can risk Raila but everyone else cannot risk even that 50 percent you're talking about with known known like Raila.

If Raila is committed to stop Ruto (which of course he isn't) - then he should have no problem passing the baton to Kalonzo - giving him ODM support - and then Kalonzo playing for 25 percent of Mt kenya. That gives Mt Kenya a options - otherwise Raila v Ruto is no brainer.

Otherwise backing Raila is too risky for all the involved; it will be the same stupidity 3 times as Kalonzo calls it.

Obviously Raila is stuck in hard places where age is a problem - so its between his age and stopping ruto. His age wins.

And Ruto wins.

One thing you need to clarify: who has moved to Ruto or UDA? Only Kang'ata, Wamuchomba, Lari MP and another in Gatanga. 4MPs. There is no landslide. You have peddled lies of MPs being with Ruto - which ones? Short of their own public announcement - we can tell who they support by their actions. They vote for Uhuru vested positions and against Ruto every time. BBI vote was in Feb for instance - how many voted for Ruto besides usual suspects? Sonko vote was in Dec. Kindiki impeachment was in May. Duale hanging was in May. Where were these Ruto MPs you are telling us about? Or did they just move last 3 months 8) Since 2 days ago in Kiambaa, Muguga or even Rurii - who has moved to UDA? We only see tweets from Waiguru and Kioni saying they were impressed by Jubilee's performance. Most had been taken by Tangatanga propaganda - this outcome will make them stay in Jubilee not leave. In fact with hopes of BBI resurrection - they will stay put in Jubilee - or move to Muturi camp. UDA is not as popular as you seem to believe. Don't kid yourself.

Handshake lineup is easy. BBI is a solid powersharing deal - compared to Ruto majority leader or speaker or CS. - which is a hard sell on ground. What do you tell people if you are Moses Kuria? - that you are running for MP but will be CS? But Ruto opposes BBI? If you are Kingi or Mutua how can you back Ruto - what do you get that is bankable?

But Raila: first he has much bigger following than Kalonzo or Mdvd. Because he supports hybrid amendment, Mutuas, Johos and all can run for MP while selling CS to be local kingpin. It a win-win deal unlike Ruto win-lose. Now Kalonzo knows he cannot be PORK with 8% - Mdvd knows he cannot be PORK with 4%. What their noises are is POSITIONING. Notice even the noises about party funds - they know NASA boycotted rerun so ODM only gets cash on MP* votes. This is simple sense - it just noise to get big chunk. Kalonzo with Kamba grasp gets VP (not co-president like Ruto); Mdvd with Maragoli gets DPM - he is unhappy with this but still delusional he can get katikati by some Gema appeal. But the fool's entourage is Savula and Sakaja with no single Kikuyu supporter  :) - how can he get PORK? NONE OF THEM - not even Weta or Oparanya - will be caught dead with Ruto. We hear rumors about negotiations spread by Itumbi - then Oparanya or Kalonzo and Weta swiftly and vehemently distance themselves.

Handshake lineup is intact. Weta long bowed to Mdvd in Western. By the way even if BBI dies (unlikely) - it would become new katiba in 100 days ala NARC - and these separate folks will form Handshake coalition. Ruto has taken a handful of PAWNS - Jumwa, Mwashetani, Wamuchomba - but has hit MENOPAUSE in tribal dealmking. It ironical eveyone backs untrustworthy Raila. Noone trusts Ruto among the kahunas.

50 percent have rejected RUto is a unproven hypothesis :). At least wait for some opinion poll. The rest sounds like BBI - first I don't know what magic Raila will use to nail Kalonzo and MaDVD. Hiyo ni Ngori.

If the idea is to merge in anti-Ruto coalition; Raila will be told to step down for someone who can at least sell in Mt kenya. If stopping Ruto is more important than anything - then Raila cannot be more important than the cause :)

But if the idea is Raila at all cost (hidden as Anti-Ruto coalition) I think a lot more people will need convincing :)

As for Mt kenya -  PK seems completely dead - at least Muturi has won the support of Kiraitu :).

In the meantime I don't think we will wait until last minute before Mt kenya leadership all joined UDA - the message for those who were willing to listen has been very loud and clearly starting last year in Muranga - so loud and clear - many in Kieleweke has basically run back to RUTO. The list remaining basically are brokers like Kiunjuri and Kega who will sell anything to make money...

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2021, 11:41:03 PM »
Raila is doing great and does not need your self- serving advice. 1-2 years ago Pundit was "advising" Raila to demand nusu mkate from Uhuru. Obviously so that he can be blamed for covid and debt nightmare. Not everyone is primally interested in looting like Ruto.

Raila and NASA have non-Gema that Ruto has FAILED to crack. From the by-elections this is obvious. Backing Ruto so he can lose Gema is stupidity - we don't need to hear it from Tangatanga to know it. Instead - let Ruto battle with Uhuru and Muturi there - avoid Raila vs Ruto kabisa. Once the camps firm up as we are seeing (about 50-50) - deals will be cut last-minute. If you offer PK or Muturi or whichever Uhuru poodle PM - his followers will go with them. These people know Uhuru & Jubilee are backing Raila - same way they know Uhuruto fallout is real. Kanini Kega the chief campaigner actually hosted Raila during the Kiambaa campaigns - while Uhuru was openly selling Raila in Ukambani 8) There are no big secrets or cards here - it  is clear as daylight who is in whose camp.
 
Raila as his tribesmen have noted is what takes voters to the ballot in Mt Kenya. To vote against him.
A few years ago no one would thought of Mt Kenyans voting for an outsider let alone a Kalenjin. Thanks to Raila they eill vote for Ruto come 2022.

If I was a Raila stategist , the only way to make Ruto unpopular in Mt Kenya is to associate with him , sing praises ,make meetings and buy editors and blogers like Robina who will sell propoganda that Raila is going to support Ruto. With that they will turn to their own.
But being the failure he is , He is going to fight Ruto makimg him more popular in Mt Keny.
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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2021, 11:50:40 PM »
I am very kind. I advise Raila to cash handshake otherwise he might look back from months from now and realize all the promises he got are hot hair - including BBI.

Imagine depending on Uhuru for your political life - onstensibly because he hates Ruto so much :)

The same way I advise people to cash out their bitcoins.

As of now Raila gameplan depend on so many actors coming to his aid  :D :D  - basically everyone except Ruto has to back and finance his bid  :-\ :-\ :-\ . If Kalonzo show up, and MaDVD doesn't, it dead on arrival. If Weta doesnt show up,dead on arrival. If Uhuru goes MIA - it dead on arrival. If they all show up - they still get BEATEN :) - unless Uhuru little votes - exceed the new votes Ruto is gaining in areas like matusa, coast and such areas.

Ruto meanwhile is sleepwalking to PORK.

Why would all these actors run to Raila - when they can go to RUTO for sure bet :) :)  - UTALIA SANA. Ruto is looking for rigging machine buffers....meanwhile Raila is square zero.

I forgot - Raila has patented BBI - and Ruto cannot share power with similar arrangement :) :)

Raila is doing great and does not need your self- serving advice. 1-2 years ago Pundit was "advising" Raila to demand nusu mkate from Uhuru. Obviously so that he can be blamed for covid and debt nightmare. Not everyone is primally interested in looting like Ruto.

Raila and NASA have non-Gema that Ruto has FAILED to crack. From the by-elections this is obvious. Backing Ruto so he can lose Gema is stupidity - we don't need to hear it from Tangatanga to know it. Instead - let Ruto battle with Uhuru and Muturi there - avoid Raila vs Ruto kabisa. Once the camps firm up as we are seeing (about 50-50) - deals will be cut last-minute. If you offer PK or Muturi or whichever Uhuru poodle PM - his followers will go with them. These people know Uhuru & Jubilee are backing Raila - same way they know Uhuruto fallout is real. Kanini Kega the chief campaigner actually hosted Raila during the Kiambaa campaigns - while Uhuru was openly selling Raila in Ukambani 8) There are no big secrets or cards here - it  is clear as daylight who is in whose camp.
 
Raila as his tribesmen have noted is what takes voters to the ballot in Mt Kenya. To vote against him.
A few years ago no one would thought of Mt Kenyans voting for an outsider let alone a Kalenjin. Thanks to Raila they eill vote for Ruto come 2022.

If I was a Raila stategist , the only way to make Ruto unpopular in Mt Kenya is to associate with him , sing praises ,make meetings and buy editors and blogers like Robina who will sell propoganda that Raila is going to support Ruto. With that they will turn to their own.
But being the failure he is , He is going to fight Ruto makimg him more popular in Mt Keny.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2021, 12:41:58 AM »
How many kingpins are with Ruto so far? Are they waiting for December like Matiang'i - or afraid of Kinoti?
I am very kind. I advise Raila to cash handshake otherwise he might look back from months from now and realize all the promises he got are hot hair - including BBI.

Imagine depending on Uhuru for your political life - onstensibly because he hates Ruto so much :)

The same way I advise people to cash out their bitcoins.

As of now Raila gameplan depend on so many actors coming to his aid  :D :D  - basically everyone except Ruto has to back and finance his bid  :-\ :-\ :-\ . If Kalonzo show up, and MaDVD doesn't, it dead on arrival. If Weta doesnt show up,dead on arrival. If Uhuru goes MIA - it dead on arrival. If they all show up - they still get BEATEN :) - unless Uhuru little votes - exceed the new votes Ruto is gaining in areas like matusa, coast and such areas.

Ruto meanwhile is sleepwalking to PORK.

Why would all these actors run to Raila - when they can go to RUTO for sure bet :) :)  - UTALIA SANA. Ruto is looking for rigging machine buffers....meanwhile Raila is square zero.
I forgot - Raila has patented BBI - and Ruto cannot share power with similar arrangement :) :)
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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2021, 01:08:39 AM »
How many kingpins are with Raila - zero :) Not even Oparanya who is talking to Ruto behind his back.

if you were to ask me, this not the time to talk coalitions, unless you're an idiot.

That time will come in 2022 - April.

Time now is to work on what you will bring to the negotiation table. Come April - everyone will arrive at the table - BBI or No BBI - and negotiate. If you're bring zero - you get zero.

The deadline is 10th June 2022. Most deals will be done btw June 5th-10th - majority done on the night of 10th.

If I was Raila - I would go hunting like Ruto - and forget the deal making this early. It gonna end in tears if after wasting all the time - like CORD and NASA - you negotiate well aware you already lost - but just consoling yourself with Kabila mbili.

So far only maDVD seem to understand this - in the NASA front - this not the time for long talks - its time to find a message - board room games take an hour.

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2021, 02:46:58 AM »
Raila understand it - why he has lined up bigshots in CoA - and launch Rural Rejuvenation to checkmate bottom-up.

Mdvd is just laughable - he is gathering clout for DPM post Raila & Uhuru already gave him. Otherwise he would have at least Kioni or Kanini - how do you market yourself in Gema with only Savula and Sakaja - Luhyas  :)

I don't see Raila or Kalonzo as idiots. There are only a handful of kingpins - Kalonzo or Weta long maxed out at 8% or Bungoma - it waste of time for Kalonzo to launch big expensive tours like Ruto. He knows his limit and value is to corner Kamba. Mdvd see himself as best katikati candidate - but totally clueless safe-pair-of-hands. Can you off-the-cuff tell what his "economic" vision is? Like Ruto bottom-up or Raila rural. Mdvd just talk but nobody listens - cause even Luhya don't fully toe the line - why would Gema or anyone else care? I imagine even Sakaja has been assigned by Uhuru to give him some clout on tours.

NASA is intact - because they already have a LINEUP. Kalonzo is cozy he has cornered Kamba. Mdvd is fidgety - because the windbag think PM should go to him not Gema. The "war" is to keep the base excited.

Ultimately, Raila is a better dealmaker. Ruto is a better mobilizer. Each plays up their strength. "Ruto is better" is just hubris.
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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2021, 07:55:46 AM »
Yenyew we live in different worlds.Robina world everyone is working so hard to make Raila pork he doesn't have to do much.

Here is MaDVD - saying nasa is dead kaput - Sakaja is trying to get Nairobi governorship through Luhya votes - while ODM will likely have Weta brother - as their candidate (so not a smart strategy by Sakaja). Ruto obviously already gave the ticket of UDA to Wanjiru - and baring some miracle from Sonko - I think Wanjiru. Maina Kamanda and his boy Waweru were hoping to use handshake for Nairobi governorship but look like that is dead....

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/article/2001418620/nasa-is-no-longer-part-of-my-future-declares-mudavadi

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2021, 08:33:02 AM »
I see many analyst starting to get what I have been telling them

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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2021, 02:03:08 PM »
Exciting the base. Kalonzo or Mdvd know they cannot be PORK or improve past 8-4% - they are not that delusional. You really think Gema will vote Mdvd after whirlwind tour with Sakaja - while ANC cannot field anywhere outside Maragoli. Mdvd knows this. He is angling first for BBI lineup - second for katikati should Baba give up.

Raila is not sitting pretty he is the obvious hand behind Jubilee death, BBI and all Ruto woes.

Naturally Pundit is motivated to paint NASA as divided. But none of those people want to be seen with Ruto not to give him any mileage. However they have no real problem with Raila. Ruto problems in non-Gema are worse than Raila with Gema.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2021, 02:14:24 PM »
Mdvd and Kalonzo campaign, is just like Kiunjuri and Kuria running up and down while we know they are with Ruto. Raila is just so much better than Ruto in strategy - Pundit even accuses him of enugu. I mean he is playing NASA like an orchestra - getting the incumbent to dump his loyal partner of 20 years to be his campaign manager sio mchezo. But this is unpalatable to Pundit so the simple logic is that Uhuru is playing him -- all the way to April 2022. But Occam's Razor tells us the obvious explanation is the right one: Raila is outplaying Ruto. Likely he is even behind the Muturi thing - slice off Mt Kenya East and leave Ruto with mere half Kikuyu.
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Re: Raila Journalists Still Hurting Because Mt Kenya Hate Raila
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2021, 02:41:59 PM »
You make a lot of mistakes to imagine Mdvd and Kalonzo are glued to Raila. This big mistake Raila made btw 2008-2013 - only for maDVD to quit on him the last minute. Not that it helped in 2017 - so both Kalonzo and maDVD have tried all that - and with same results.

The question I keep telling you - once maDVD and Kalonzo - come to the reality that their run for PORK won't amount to nothing - they will have two options - do a coalition before or after the election.

When it come coalition - they will talk to everyone - Ruto has 1/3 sure bet - Raila needs everyone to give you 1/10 of the power.

Now I believe rational thing - smart one - I think wetangula is already in - will go to Ruto. MaDVD or Kalonzo will be next to run to Ruto. Ruto needs rigging margin buffer....Raila needs everyone on board.

And as Ruto told you - wait until nov - then you'll see how many people are talking to Ruto. Majority are afraid to send KRA and DCI by Matiangi and company....from Harambee house.

They are waiting like Moi in 2002 - when suddenly everyone quit on him


Mdvd and Kalonzo campaign, is just like Kiunjuri and Kuria running up and down while we know they are with Ruto. Raila is just so much better than Ruto in strategy - Pundit even accuses him of enugu. I mean he is playing NASA like an orchestra - getting the incumbent to dump his loyal partner of 20 years to be his campaign manager sio mchezo. But this is unpalatable to Pundit so the simple logic is that Uhuru is playing him -- all the way to April 2022. But Occam's Razor tells us the obvious explanation is the right one: Raila is outplaying Ruto. Likely he is even behind the Muturi thing - slice off Mt Kenya East and leave Ruto with mere half Kikuyu.