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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2021, 03:51:38 PM »
Bitmask you are not getting traction because all 4 support Trump - Geemail, Dear Mami, Pundit, Robina all proudly support the Alt right. Social media companies were aggressively banning Islamic fanatics during ISIS's reign of terror, no complaints, no handwringing, but when they started targeting white massa his underlings squeal everywhere. Coons let in missionaries which directly led to colonization, coons sold their brethren in the Atlantic slave trade, coons are lining up ( I'm looking at you Lukaku) to represent European football teams despite widespread racist animus from the public, coons are falling over themselves mortgaging their countries to the Chinaman, in summary coons have been the downfall of the Blackman.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2021, 04:01:38 PM »
Equating alt right to terrorist is crazy. But you're always crazy. And  I will defend your human right to be heard. Social Media platform should definitely ban some people - those posting child pornography, engaging in terror activities, etc. Those that crosses the line of decency - but to ban people you disagree with politically - is suppresion of free speech - and to ban Trump - whose is leader of huge majority of american - voted by 50million - is an attack of democracy.

So understand right from the title - 1) Free Speech and  2) Democracy. Two key concepts here. Most of you are struggling with # with free speech and are yet to even understand democracy.

Banning trump is probably okayish free speechish - but knowing he is GOP Leader/POTUS/elected by 50 million americans - is an attack on those people - it's an attack on democracy. It almost an attack on half the Americans.

Bitmask you are not getting traction because all 4 support Trump - Geemail, Dear Mami, Pundit, Robina all proudly support the Alt right. Social media companies were aggressively banning Islamic fanatics during ISIS's reign of terror, no complaints, no handwringing, but when they started targeting white massa his underlings squeal everywhere. Coons let in missionaries which directly led to colonization, coons sold their brethren in the Atlantic slave trade, coons are lining up ( I'm looking at you Lukaku) to represent European football teams despite widespread racist animus from the public, coons are falling over themselves mortgaging their countries to the Chinaman, in summary coons have been the downfall of the Blackman.

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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2021, 04:08:41 PM »
Actually Trump got 83million. That is a lot of people that these social media are trying to shut down by shutting down their leaders. It like British killing Koitalel in cold blood to shut down Nandis.  You shut down Raila - you shut down Luos. It the whole intention.

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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #83 on: June 13, 2021, 04:37:13 PM »
Equating alt right to terrorist is crazy. But you're always crazy. And  I will defend your human right to be heard. Social Media platform should definitely ban some people - those posting child pornography, engaging in terror activities, etc. Those that crosses the line of decency - but to ban people you disagree with politically - is suppresion of free speech - and to ban Trump - whose is leader of huge majority of american - voted by 50million - is an attack of democracy.

So understand right from the title - 1) Free Speech and  2) Democracy. Two key concepts here. Most of you are struggling with # with free speech and are yet to even understand democracy.

Banning trump is probably okayish free speechish - but knowing he is GOP Leader/POTUS/elected by 50 million americans - is an attack on those people - it's an attack on democracy. It almost an attack on half the Americans.

During Trump's reign of error terroristic acts by white nationalist gangs increased alarmingly remember Charlotte, Pennsylvania synagogue shooting and many others. White terrorists killed more people on American soil than Muslim terrorists - that is a fact, look it up, now who is crazy?

Here is my question Lumbwa boy, is there a difference between Neo Nazis terrorists aka alt right and Islamic terrorists?
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #84 on: June 13, 2021, 04:46:18 PM »
Actually Trump got 83million. That is a lot of people that these social media are trying to shut down by shutting down their leaders. It like British killing Koitalel in cold blood to shut down Nandis.  You shut down Raila - you shut down Luos. It the whole intention.

If Raila call for insurrection, then it right they kick him out. Can you comprehend that simple point? No one is banning 83mn supporters, its against an individual. He can always go to GAB  :D and rant away. Deplatforming has been very effective, he was like a rabid animal, now the political temperature has gone down, it was the vaccine the doctor ordered.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #85 on: June 13, 2021, 04:59:06 PM »
As quiet as China. At the heart of it - you're not a democrat. Why would you want to silence other people. You can put your own ear plugs on.
If Raila call for insurrection, then it right they kick him out. Can you comprehend that simple point? No one is banning 83mn supporters, its against an individual. He can always go to GAB  :D and rant away. Deplatforming has been very effective, he was like a rabid animal, now the political temperature has gone down, it was the vaccine the doctor ordered.

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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #86 on: June 13, 2021, 05:00:37 PM »
I've avoided this because it's going nowhere. It's like those debates we used to hold in primary school that went: " A dick is better than a Hen" (Bhai those teachers lacked imagination jameni!!!😱🙈)

A private company can't be told who to allow on it's platform. Trump supporting Republicans made that law eons ago when they supported golf clubs etc to continue segregation against blacks.

Trump violated Twitter regulations and rules for years. They let him stay for selfish economic reasons. Once his brand became poison they've predictably dumped him.

I've not read all that's written but my point as a former anarchist would be they were free to keep him when it served their economic self interests and they are free to jettison him when it serves their selfish economic interests now. Economic self interests don't expire that easily.

Trump is a despicable character who should be treated fairly by the government. But private individuals and companies have no such obligation. They are not KBC or VOICE OF KENYAATTA. They are exempt from liability but that's limited
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #87 on: June 13, 2021, 05:05:35 PM »
Omollo - Radio technology was discovered - then a few people bought radios - then soon enough everyone had radios - it became mass media - they became powerful - they needed to be regulated. Some of the regulation including giving fair play to political opponents.

A few years - Cathode Ray tube - was discovered - that could beam images - people starting buying it - TVs were everywhere - they became mass media - they became powerful - gov had to regulate them.

A few more years - computer was discovered - internet became total mess -  and everyone was happy - to be totally lost - but soon everyone converged on few sites - social media sites - with billions of users.

These social media sites need regulations. They are not private. They are not tech. They are not RF technology. They are not Cathode Ray Tube. They are social media that everyone is on. They are radios (FMS), TVS, and they are mass media.

As with everything - regulation has to catch up.

For at heart of modern democracy - gov is the regulator - otherwise powerful individuals will trample upon everyone - Zuckerberg could even decide an election. Well mass media led to turmoil in middle east.

I've avoided this because it's going nowhere. It's like those debates we used to hold in primary school that went: " A dick is better than a Hen" (Bhai those teachers lacked imagination jameni!!!😱🙈)

A private company can't be told who to allow on it's platform. Trump supporting Republicans made that law eons ago when they supported golf clubs etc to continue segregation against blacks.

Trump violated Twitter regulations and rules for years. They let him stay for selfish economic reasons. Once his brand became poison they've predictably dumped him.

I've not read all that's written but my point as a former anarchist would be they were free to keep him when it served their economic self interests and they are free to jettison him when it serves their selfish economic interests now. Economic self interests don't expire that easily.

Trump is a despicable character who should be treated fairly by the government. But private individuals and companies have no such obligation. They are not KBC or VOICE OF KENYAATTA. They are exempt from liability but that's limited

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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #88 on: June 13, 2021, 08:34:49 AM »
I'm not disagreeing. That regulation ain't there yet and trump party is the prime objector to regulation except when it benefits them.

If Democratic societies decide to regulate then it will be.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #89 on: June 13, 2021, 11:29:54 AM »
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/12/tech/twitter-india-nigeria-intl-hnk/index.html

You can imagine if Twitter or FarceBook decides to shut down Indians for saying cows must be worshiped.

India is a new twist in the tale. Modi government asks Twitter to delete 100 posts of Indian officials critical of his government. Twitter refuses saying that would be a violation of free speech. Twitter has been a bit more open but that's the very thing FarceBook have done to Trump.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #90 on: June 13, 2021, 01:28:18 PM »
I'm not disagreeing. That regulation ain't there yet and trump party is the prime objector to regulation except when it benefits them.

If Democratic societies decide to regulate then it will be.

In the US the only regulation of content for mass media has to with certain types of pornography.  There is no requirement for private radio or TV to accommodate on their platforms anybody who wants to be heard.  That is how you can have Fox News, OAN, Newsmax putting out right wing garbage 24/7.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #91 on: June 13, 2021, 01:39:17 PM »
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/12/tech/twitter-india-nigeria-intl-hnk/index.html

You can imagine if Twitter or FarceBook decides to shut down Indians for saying cows must be worshiped.

India is a new twist in the tale. Modi government asks Twitter to delete 100 posts of Indian officials critical of his government. Twitter refuses saying that would be a violation of free speech. Twitter has been a bit more open but that's the very thing FarceBook have done to Trump.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #92 on: June 13, 2021, 01:53:11 PM »
Bitmask cannot understand this. I don't know how to break it down any further. Trump is former POTUS for crying out loud. If you can shut him down - then you are indeed very powerful - and can shut down anything. They banned Trump when he had nuclear codes. Their 14 words platform was more dangerous to be entrusted to POTUS with powers to declare nuclear war.
Proponents of this digital dictatorship by Twitter and FarceBook forget that although out of office, Trump is the de facto GOP leader and represents a constituency that large. By banning Trump, FarceBook and Twitter are delegitimizing and silencing GoP while endorsing the increasingly Socialist Dems who shout democracy all day. Banning Trump is an amazing act in a country that claims to defend democracy. If they want to support Biden, doing so does not have to involve shutting others down otherwise they become a shithole US. African kleptocrats loot and kill opponents. In the US, the tech companies do the same thing digitally and people cheer.

I understand that point.  And it even seems that way to Republicans.  I also think it is not the germane  issue.  I just disagree even though I fully understand your point.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #93 on: June 13, 2021, 04:00:43 PM »
Bitmask you are not getting traction because all 4 support Trump - Geemail, Dear Mami, Pundit, Robina all proudly support the Alt right.
Your idiocy never fails to impress. :D

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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #94 on: June 13, 2021, 04:26:04 PM »
I've avoided this because it's going nowhere. It's like those debates we used to hold in primary school that went: " A dick is better than a Hen" (Bhai those teachers lacked imagination jameni!!!)

To me, it seems more like a President is better than a regular.  Essentially an argument against what makes social media so appealing in the first place.

A private company can't be told who to allow on it's platform. Trump supporting Republicans made that law eons ago when they supported golf clubs etc to continue segregation against blacks.

My sentiment too.  Unless the company is carrying out a contract for the government.  Conservatives suddenly in favor of "regulation" is hypocrisy to say the least.

Trump violated Twitter regulations and rules for years. They let him stay for selfish economic reasons. Once his brand became poison they've predictably dumped him.

Actually I thought they risked losing a good chunk of "conservatives" with this move.  Trump's main contribution was soiling his pants on twitter, arguably hurting the conservative cause.  And still they left him unchecked for years, even as his targets of derision faced death threats.

I've not read all that's written but my point as a former anarchist would be they were free to keep him when it served their economic self interests and they are free to jettison him when it serves their selfish economic interests now. Economic self interests don't expire that easily.

Trump is a despicable character who should be treated fairly by the government. But private individuals and companies have no such obligation. They are not KBC or VOICE OF KENYAATTA. They are exempt from liability but that's limited

Yep.  It's also a slippery slope, given that the arguments I have seen on this thread are just about the power accumulated by these companies.  If you want a forum for world leaders to be heard no matter what you have the UN.  And if they want they can create a platform just for themselves with other users getting to put up with them whether they like it or not.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #95 on: June 14, 2021, 03:27:20 PM »
Also on shifting demographics. Don't see the need for gerrymandering in Georgia, Arizona, etc purple states. What is progressive today will be conservative in 2050, so conservatism will never die. Rethug fear of demographics is irrational.
When people focus solely on the culture wars, they get the impression that "things have shifted Left" in the U..S. I don't much care for the culture war; Besides being in some respect socially conservative myself (like when it comes to abortion,) I realized some time ago that this culture focus in the U.S. is a tribalism game the two parties play to maintain their "Right/Left" positioning while they march pretty much together when it comes to the economics. The truth is things have shifted RIGHT. Waaaay right, on the things that matter. Obama in the 80s would've been a moderate Republican. Yet he was called a flaming communist by right-wingers on Fox 247. After Reaganomics took hold, the direction is the opposite in fact. What is "moderate/centrist" now was straight-up "right-wing" a few decades ago. FDR would've been swallowed alive now if he had attempted to implement his social safety nets in 2020, (if they weren't already in place, that is).

I of course think the "Guns rights" and even "Free Speech rights" in the U.S. nuts and these are Right-wing "causes." You people are simply unreasonable with your tendencies to absolutize everything, leaving no room for nuanced policies in important matters. I've been acquainted with many people from all over the world and had heated discussions and debated about politics and so far, these crazy (to me) ideas have been heard only from American mouths:

American: "Everyone has a right to carry guns and other dangerous weapons"
Why?
"We need it to fight the govt if it goes tyrannical."
"But your military is overwhelmingly the most powerful this world has ever known. You'll stop them with your shotguns?"
"Yep!"

Literally, everyone else I've ever met thinks it's sheer insanity to just allow every Tom, Dick, and Harry to run around with dangerous weapons.

Only Americans think paid maternity leave is a weird idea, or publicly funded healthcare "will destroy the economy."

The only "cultural" issues I care about in the U.S.?
1) Police and Justice culture re Black people
2) Education funding

Those are provable systemic issues that affect Blacks and Latins but MOSTLY Black people, however much Right-wingers deny it. The evidence is overwhelming, studies numerous (though they claim there's no evidence or studies that prove this.) Part of my frustration with the DNC is that fixing the economics will FIX these issues for Blacks but they just mouth the words and do not change the system. This makes me believe the entire system is under the thumb of Oligarchs who don't want anything about the economics to change.


https://theintercept.com/2021/06/11/political-system-unites-to-condemn-ilhan-omar-for-telling-the-truth/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #96 on: June 14, 2021, 04:02:52 PM »

https://theintercept.com/2021/06/11/political-system-unites-to-condemn-ilhan-omar-for-telling-the-truth/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

Marching together not just on economics.
That Ilhan Omar lynching is one of the events along the way that defined what has become my political position in the past two years.

1. It got me completely off the "moderate conservatives pundits" audience. I used to watch a select few, like Ben Shapiro, to understand what was going on the right. That's because I knew the reporting is thoroughly skewed, so I said, "If you want t know about conservatives, listen to conservatives; if you want to know about liberals, listen to liberals: Don't go with their smears of each other." I believed until Ilhan Omar's lynching that these "free speech" conservatives were just traditional-minded people of good faith. When they complained about the cancel mobs in colleges and Twitter, I could totally understand. When they said, "Don't presume racism based on vague imaginary 'dog-whistle' claims" and demanded explicit evidence for claims of bigotry, I didn't agree but I at least believed they believed what they were saying, i.e., were arguing in good faith. I just thought their privilege blinded them from seeing all the hurdles blacker folk have to go through to get much of the same stuff they took for granted. The champion of this brigade was Shapiro.

Then . . . Shapiro literally ignited a mob and set it upon Ilhan Omar with MADE-UP antisemitism. He literally pretended she criticized JEWS when every single one of her "problematic" tweets carried only direct criticisms of the Israel state, its govt, its lobbies in the US, and the U.S. law-makers trying to establish Israeli support as some kind of legally mandated position for all Americans through the anti-BDS law. Those standards about not presuming bigotry through 'dog whistle' claims? Vanished. :D The underbelly of hate that came to the fore on the right!!! My goodness. I think calling it hate understates that ugly that came to the fore. Ilhan literally exposed the sheer visceral hatred that exists huko chini among these, so-called, good-faith actors. After that, I engaged these free-speech advocates on this Ilhan issue, and not ONE of them ever conceded that whole reaction was at least shocking. So much for their complaint about cancel culture: :D They just don't like it when it targets them, but they are happy to do it to their version of "deplorables" (She was Black, African, Muslim, and hijab-wearing, and that made her criticism of American or Israeli policies unbearable, apparently). They even pretended she was ugly :o As if . . .  (Add to this them losing their minds over Colin Kaepernick's very simple, SILENT, short protest/demonstration re police brutality). They just have different standards for CANCELLING, because they have different sacred cows (Israel and the Military being the most prominent) but they are not in any way averse to cancelling.

2. It also added more to my suspicions (by then they were just suspicions) that the DNC serves the same master as the RNC. They literally went along with this Right-Wing lynching, all pretending that Ilhan had smeared Jews, when each one knew she had only criticized ISRAEL, AIPAC, and the Anti-BDS bill. Pelosi and crowd sanctioned her and essentially forced her to issue an unwarranted apology. I believe ONLY Bernie Sanders, a JEW, stood up for her and called out the hate and bigotry being directed at her by right-wingers. I realized these guys are not ant-right-wing in the true sense of the term right-wing. I mean, everyone who could read would've seen there was ZERO antisemitism in Ilhan's posts. In addition, she called for a boycott against Saudi Arabia urging Muslims to boycott the Hajj (for their genocidal rampage in Yemen among other atrocities) in the same terms as she was calling out Israel. They all ignored all that and allowed talking heads everywhere from the view to more serious platforms to pretend she had attacked Jews. I felt gaslit! The whole thing was beyond bizarre.

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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2021, 04:35:23 PM »

https://theintercept.com/2021/06/11/political-system-unites-to-condemn-ilhan-omar-for-telling-the-truth/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

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That Ilhan Omar lynching is one of the events along the way that defined what has become my political position in the past two years.

1. It got me completely off the "moderate conservatives pundits" audience. I used to watch a select few, like Ben Shapiro, to understand what was going on the right. That's because I knew the reporting is thoroughly skewed, so I said, "If you want t know about conservatives, listen to conservatives; if you want to know about liberals, listen to liberals: Don't go with their smears of each other." I believed until Ilhan Omar's lynching that these "free speech" conservatives were just traditional-minded people of good faith. When they complained about the cancel mobs in colleges and Twitter, I could totally understand. When they said, "Don't presume racism based on vague imaginary 'dog-whistle' claims" and demanded explicit evidence for claims of bigotry, I didn't agree but I at least believed they believed what they were saying, i.e., were arguing in good faith. I just thought their privilege blinded them from seeing all the hurdles blacker folk have to go through to get much of the same stuff they took for granted. The champion of this brigade was Shapiro.

Then . . . Shapiro literally ignited a mob and set it upon Ilhan Omar with MADE-UP antisemitism. He literally pretended she criticized JEWS when every single one of her "problematic" tweets carried only direct criticisms of the Israel state, its govt, its lobbies in the US, and the U.S. law-makers trying to establish Israeli support as some kind of legally mandated position for all Americans through the anti-BDS law. Those standards about not presuming bigotry through 'dog whistle' claims? Vanished. :D The underbelly of hate that came to the fore on the right!!! My goodness. I think calling it hate understates that ugly that came to the fore. Ilhan literally exposed the sheer visceral hatred that exists huko chini among these, so-called, good-faith actors. After that, I engaged these free-speech advocates on this Ilhan issue, and not ONE of them ever conceded that whole reaction was at least shocking. So much for their complaint about cancel culture: :D They just don't like it when it targets them, but they are happy to do it to their version of "deplorables" (She was Black, African, Muslim, and hijab-wearing, and that made her criticism of American or Israeli policies unbearable, apparently). They even pretended she was ugly :o As if . . .  (Add to this them losing their minds over Colin Kaepernick's very simple, SILENT, short protest/demonstration re police brutality). They just have different standards for CANCELLING, because they have different sacred cows (Israel and the Military being the most prominent) but they are not in any way averse to cancelling.

2. It also added more to my suspicions (by then they were just suspicions) that the DNC serves the same master as the RNC. They literally went along with this Right-Wing lynching, all pretending that Ilhan had smeared Jews, when each one knew she had only criticized ISRAEL, AIPAC, and the Anti-BDS bill. Pelosi and crowd sanctioned her and essentially forced her to issue an unwarranted apology. I believe ONLY Bernie Sanders, a JEW, stood up for her and called out the hate and bigotry being directed at her by right-wingers. I realized these guys are not ant-right-wing in the true sense of the term right-wing. I mean, everyone who could read would've seen there was ZERO antisemitism in Ilhan's posts. In addition, she called for a boycott against Saudi Arabia urging Muslims to boycott the Hajj (for their genocidal rampage in Yemen among other atrocities) in the same terms as she was calling out Israel. They all ignored all that and allowed talking heads everywhere from the view to more serious platforms to pretend she had attacked Jews. I felt gaslit! The whole thing was beyond bizarre.

America is right-wing(Dems and Republicans) when it comes to Israel and foreign policy.  It was much worse in the past.  So bad, that after 9-11, C-SPAN stopped giving airtime(even at the usual ungodly hours) to people like Noam Chomsky and his ilk. 

The internet and social media has provided an outlet for the previously suppressed sentiments against both Israeli apartheid and US crimes in the foreign domain.  Another point in favor of treating everybody equally on social media platforms.
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2021, 07:06:47 PM »
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Re: Agreed - Banning Trump an assault on democracy and free speech.
« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2021, 09:19:51 PM »
I just saw this. A new court battle is startting in Ohio (a Republican state). They are asking for Google to be declared a common carrier.