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Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« on: July 02, 2017, 06:45:50 AM »
Many Governors will end up in jail for stealing like idiots.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Court-freezes-governor-Nathif-Jama-s-account-with-Sh5-billion-/1064-3996162-1si0nv/index.html

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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2017, 01:26:25 AM »
It is a lie going to court tomorrow and once again the taxpayer will pay more money for the propaganda of the EACC. Jubilee through Duale is still attempting to blackmail Nathif to betray NASA.

The "expose" coincided with the launch of Nathif's campaign.
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2017, 04:02:28 AM »
So its that easy to make govt money yours?
No procedures???

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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2017, 04:17:12 AM »
Impunity causes corruption and not devolution. If devolution was the cause of corruption, USA would be the most corrupt country.  Let us go after impunity and stop scapegoating devolution.

So its that easy to make govt money yours?
No procedures???
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2017, 08:22:18 AM »
You mean it's that easy to steal government money. If this story has any element of truth then this is an indictment to jubilee government on failures to setup up checks and balance to safeguard tax payers money? Surely how does one banks county billions in a personal account?

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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2017, 09:51:22 AM »
The level of corruption at national goverment is at its highest and then we expect the county govenments to be different. The state of the counties only reflects what is happening at the national level.

Impunity causes corruption and not devolution. If devolution was the cause of corruption, USA would be the most corrupt country.  Let us go after impunity and stop scapegoating devolution

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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2017, 01:30:21 PM »
I might start taking EACC seriously when they pick Samuel Gichuru and go to work on him.  Otherwise, I just can't.  Gichuru has, in not so many words, officially confessed to money laundering.  It does not get any more cut and dried than that.
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2017, 01:37:35 PM »
How does 5 billion move from IFMIS to personal account? where is the CBK? 

Waqo and Mubea are being used by politicians as naive pastor is lost completely. I am sure can't fathom the stealing he is seeing in the files.
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2017, 03:40:40 PM »
How does 5 billion move from IFMIS to personal account? where is the CBK? 

Waqo and Mubea are being used by politicians as naive pastor is lost completely. I am sure can't fathom the stealing he is seeing in the files.
It is a black lie. They would have arrested him not just shut the account. I spoke to the Mullah and he gave me all the details. JP gave Nathif an ultimatum. There is a huge likelihood that Duale would not just go home but there is a total meltdown of JP support in Garissa. Now Uhuru  needs at least 25% in Garissa, Kisii, Nyamira, Lamu, Tana River etc to make it. So far he is short. (There is a likelihood of losing some places in RV based on a rumoured secret decision to turn against GEMA at the 11th hour due to the perceived plan to dump WSR. Of course NASA would benefit but isn't depending on that).

There is immense pressure on Nathif
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2017, 03:42:46 PM »
You mean it's that easy to steal government money. If this story has any element of truth then this is an indictment to jubilee government on failures to setup up checks and balance to safeguard tax payers money? Surely how does one banks county billions in a personal account?
Thats my take too. All these years and even after Anne its easy to pockets govt money!!
If these corruption had been dealt with severely, people will not steal. Death penalty for saboteurs.

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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2017, 04:06:47 PM »
Now that is white lie. Uhuru will get Garissa because he has two or 3 bulls - Gen Muhammud/Duale/Yusuf Haji. Yusuf Haji the Senator basically controls Dujis (half of Garissa) and Muhammud-Duale the other half. ODM will get votes from Ladgera & Kambas in Garissa from Deputy Speaker Maalim.

As for graft - let leave that to EACC to go through the due process - seem simple like straight-forward theft like NYSA where former First Community CEO who is now govenror of Garissa basically banks county money into his personal account.

It is a black lie. They would have arrested him not just shut the account. I spoke to the Mullah and he gave me all the details. JP gave Nathif an ultimatum. There is a huge likelihood that Duale would not just go home but there is a total meltdown of JP support in Garissa. Now Uhuru  needs at least 25% in Garissa, Kisii, Nyamira, Lamu, Tana River etc to make it. So far he is short. (There is a likelihood of losing some places in RV based on a rumoured secret decision to turn against GEMA at the 11th hour due to the perceived plan to dump WSR. Of course NASA would benefit but isn't depending on that).

There is immense pressure on Nathif

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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2017, 04:18:57 PM »
Red:  EACC? Haaaa

Now that is white lie. Uhuru will get Garissa because he has two or 3 bulls - Gen Muhammud/Duale/Yusuf Haji. Yusuf Haji the Senator basically controls Dujis (half of Garissa) and Muhammud-Duale the other half. ODM will get votes from Ladgera & Kambas in Garissa from Deputy Speaker Maalim.

As for graft - let leave that to EACC to go through the due process - seem simple like straight-forward theft like NYSA where former First Community CEO who is now govenror of Garissa basically banks county money into his personal account.

It is a black lie. They would have arrested him not just shut the account. I spoke to the Mullah and he gave me all the details. JP gave Nathif an ultimatum. There is a huge likelihood that Duale would not just go home but there is a total meltdown of JP support in Garissa. Now Uhuru  needs at least 25% in Garissa, Kisii, Nyamira, Lamu, Tana River etc to make it. So far he is short. (There is a likelihood of losing some places in RV based on a rumoured secret decision to turn against GEMA at the 11th hour due to the perceived plan to dump WSR. Of course NASA would benefit but isn't depending on that).

There is immense pressure on Nathif
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2017, 04:21:47 PM »
Yeah it was in your New Constitution that ordered for graft & ethics be independently investigated by EACC and prosecuted by DPP.
Red:  EACC? Haaaa

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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2017, 05:23:18 PM »
I have no idea why you came up with this. But this is the second time I catch you misrepresenting the constitution. The police and DPP have unfettered authority to investigate corruption with or without the EACC. The constitution simply provides for an act of parliament to ----
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The emphasis was of course on ethics - which Uhuru has completely killed.
Yeah it was in your New Constitution that ordered for graft & ethics be independently investigated by EACC and prosecuted by DPP.
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2017, 05:26:27 PM »
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Let's wait and see. Last time we know how Duale came in.

Is it the same place Mohammed's brother badly lost in an election some year? Where was Mahamoud Mohammed then? Did not Duale win despite Mahamoud Mohammed recommending someone else?

The information we have says differently but we shall see.
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2017, 08:22:22 PM »
Nathif just completed a press conference where he presented certified bank statements showing a balance of ksh 2000 and not 5 billion as the fake documents used by EACC claim. Mullah proceeded to court today to prosecute the matter.

I suspect it's Duale who forged the documents or the NIS and the plan was to arrest Nathif and mar his campaign launch. He departed from Nairobi before they acted and they couldn't get him killed on the way.
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Re: Devolving Corruption - Garissa governor banks 5b
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2017, 08:38:00 PM »
I think what you're alleging is Duale (Son-in-law) beating Muhamud's Brother Maalim. That was just internal family affair - but Garissa has been under Muhammud Lock & key for nearly 40-50 yrs now . Gen(retired) Muhammud is very powerful in Garissa. He basically own Garissa town and is deeply respected. The same case with Hajji. You have to understand in those parochial societies living in insecure places - elders & such folks (military or police) - are deeply respected - the same is true in Maasai (Gen NKaissery, Col Konchella & Narok Gen forget his name) & Samburu (Gen (late) rtd Lenges). They are also pro-goK - because incumbency is everything there due to insecurity - even moving around is not easy if you're in opposition.

If I was to do MOAS of Garissa..I would say Gen Muhammud(Duale) -control Garissa, Haji(Ijara district towards Lamu) and Maalim & Current Governor (Lagdera towards Somali - now he moving to Garissa hoping to benefit from Kambas) are the guys who have a say - due to clan matrixs in there - and of course Garissa town is now cosmopolitan with lots of Kambas - I'd say Jubilee takes 2/3 - NASA 1/3.

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Let's wait and see. Last time we know how Duale came in.

Is it the same place Mohammed's brother badly lost in an election some year? Where was Mahamoud Mohammed then? Did not Duale win despite Mahamoud Mohammed recommending someone else?

The information we have says differently but we shall see.