Nowayaha - 1man 1 shilling is nonsense on steroid

[RV Pundit]

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[Nowayhaha]

RV , I was not pro BBI nor was I pro one man one vote one shilling.
I was also on record here indicating Uhuru is trying to sell BBI as a Mt Kenya document however only Kiambu and Nairobi would benefit.
Now on your analysis above this new tribe you are calling cosmopolitan why dont you declassify it to the known Kenyan tribes. Then we can discuss from there.

[RV Pundit]

Okay. Nairobi Metro is attracting everyone from all tribes - that is Nairobi, Kajiado,Machakos and Kiambu. Mombasa, Kisumu, Nakuru and Eldoret are also attracting everyone

RV , I was not pro BBI nor was I pro one man one vote one shilling.
I was also on record here indicating Uhuru is trying to sell BBI as a Mt Kenya document however only Kiambu and Nairobi would benefit.
Now on your analysis above this new tribe you are calling cosmopolitan why dont you declassify it to the known Kenyan tribes. Then we can discuss from there.

[Nowayhaha]

My views on subject matter , why do you want to do a Raila on me and force a contest ?

Just imagine Mandera even after their numbers were corrected are nearly 1M people - and Kiambu - which is taking a lot of Nairobeans - is mere 2m people.
Kikuyus need to adjust to a new reality where they will not be important tribe - just another tribe.

Give these somalis two more decades -

Maasai were once the most popolous tribe in kenya - but now they a pale shadow of themselves.

RV, one of the reason I said its misplaced for Mt Kenya and Rift Valley to go all out on 1M 1S  debate is  , even if they were to win the amount they would have gained is insignificant vis a vis what they would gain  by retaining the Presidency (Executive) and Legislature  .Let their partner North Eastern Gain in  devolution . As this a mere 15% Max of the audited national revenue .
Now imagine if Railas BBI Referendum goes through which wants to increase   the disbursed national revenue to 35%/40% . This should be the cornerstone of Mt Kenya/RV/Western opposing the referendum  and opposing they will .
They need to look at the bigger picture , the Bomas draft which Raila is advocating is just a scheme to revenge against communities which have been in power and  or are politically superior in capturing power .

RV , I was not pro BBI nor was I pro one man one vote one shilling.
I was also on record here indicating Uhuru is trying to sell BBI as a Mt Kenya document however only Kiambu and Nairobi would benefit.
Now on your analysis above this new tribe you are calling cosmopolitan why dont you declassify it to the known Kenyan tribes. Then we can discuss from there.

[Nowayhaha]

Another one

Counties should be allowed to levy some of the taxes. For example - why should a county remit employee PAYES to KRA. It doesn't make sense. This is money should keep...Counties need to form their own County Revenue Authority - and be allowed to levy some taxes - PAYE of their own employees, VAT and taxes of all contractors working with county gov. That should give them 30% more of the money they receive - and proportionally.

Maybe in 10yrs - counties will have built more capacity - to go fully federal.

Otherwise this is slippery slope..

Every county should eventually get most of resources from their locality.

And national gov should self-fund from national functions - through ports - for examples - immigration - self-fund from charging for passports -

RV, one of the reason I said its misplaced for Mt Kenya and Rift Valley to go all out on 1M 1S  debate is  , even if they were to win the amount they would have gained is insignificant vis a vis what they would gain  by retaining the Presidency (Executive) and Legislature  .Let their partner North Eastern Gain in  devolution . As this a mere 15% Max of the audited national revenue .
Now imagine if Railas BBI Referendum goes through which wants to increase   the disbursed national revenue to 35%/40% . This should be the cornerstone of Mt Kenya/RV/Western opposing the referendum  and opposing they will .
They need to look at the bigger picture , the Bomas draft which Raila is advocating is just a scheme to revenge against communities which have been in power and  or are politically superior in capturing power .

True counties need to identify their strength and areas where they can create revenue and this should form their pool for the recuring expenditure. 
Railas propasal for 40% of national revenue to trickle down to counties is shortsighted, where will government get money to pay state officials  boost defence , seeks and pay loans  etc
If we go Railas way in 5 years time we would make rich county government officials and then be attacked by hostile neighbours and guess who will be negotiating with the hostile neighbours the same county government officials

[RV Pundit]

Understood. Sorry mistook you for the usual FairandImbalanced kind

[Nowayhaha]

[RV Pundit]

It was long debate lasting months. You supported kangata irungu backed by Raila nonsense that was rejected by senate with heroic effort from Malala n rest who rejected the formulae despite their counties benefited.Ruto n Sakaja gives us a fair system.We want equitable sharing of resources. We will not entertain selfishness of a few.

[Nowayhaha]

Upuzi once again I say , I was against it together with BBI reasons given earlier . Anything Raila touches I will never support. I never supported anything handshake unlike you.


This is what you said back then but as usual you try to hard to push me to a position ive never supported , just like with Uhuru.
I have told you several times if Raila was to unite with Ruto I turn against Ruto instantly . If you want to know my position on anything and everything always remember that .

Understood. Sorry mistook you for the usual FairandImbalanced kind

It was long debate lasting months. You supported kangata irungu backed by Raila nonsense that was rejected by senate with heroic effort from Malala n rest who rejected the formulae despite their counties benefited.Ruto n Sakaja gives us a fair system.We want equitable sharing of resources. We will not entertain selfishness of a few.

[RV Pundit]

Upuzi once again I say , I was against it together with BBI reasons given earlier . Anything Raila touches I will never support. I never supported anything handshake unlike you.


This is what you said back then but as usual you try to hard to push me to a position ive never supported , just like with Uhuru.
I have told you several times if Raila was to unite with Ruto I turn against Ruto instantly . If you want to know my position on anything and everything always remember that .

Understood. Sorry mistook you for the usual FairandImbalanced kind

It was long debate lasting months. You supported kangata irungu backed by Raila nonsense that was rejected by senate with heroic effort from Malala n rest who rejected the formulae despite their counties benefited.Ruto n Sakaja gives us a fair system.We want equitable sharing of resources. We will not entertain selfishness of a few.

Makes you stupid..so if Raila support something..you oppose it.Seek medical help fool.You have principles in life.Those should not change. I have mine.If Raila moves towards them he is my friend. If Ruto moves away he is my enemy like Moi was despite being my tribesmen.Please treat yourselves for Raila phobia...this country will continue in his absence...so have things you believe in..and if Raila genuinely convert..why not break bread.If today Raila says he is joining uda..are going to join odm instead

[Nowayhaha]

Thats my principle .
Just a question to you , Do you think Uhuru would have achieved much in 2nd Term if he stuck with Ruto rather than joining hands with Raila ?

Upuzi once again I say , I was against it together with BBI reasons given earlier . Anything Raila touches I will never support. I never supported anything handshake unlike you.


This is what you said back then but as usual you try to hard to push me to a position ive never supported , just like with Uhuru.
I have told you several times if Raila was to unite with Ruto I turn against Ruto instantly . If you want to know my position on anything and everything always remember that .

Understood. Sorry mistook you for the usual FairandImbalanced kind

It was long debate lasting months. You supported kangata irungu backed by Raila nonsense that was rejected by senate with heroic effort from Malala n rest who rejected the formulae despite their counties benefited.Ruto n Sakaja gives us a fair system.We want equitable sharing of resources. We will not entertain selfishness of a few.

Makes you stupid..so if Raila support something..you oppose it.Seek medical help fool.You have principles in life.Those should not change. I have mine.If Raila moves towards them he is my friend. If Ruto moves away he is my enemy like Moi was despite being my tribesmen.Please treat yourselves for Raila phobia...this country will continue in his absence...so have things you believe in..and if Raila genuinely convert..why not break bread.If today Raila says he is joining uda..are going to join odm instead

[RV Pundit]

Moron uhuru didn't seek out Raila for good motives..he sought him put as political insurance against Ruto...his job was to let Raila and Ruto fight..as he stole. You need principles.You need things in you believe in.Moi despite all that was principled.Raila if today he repents..we will welcome him.As long as genuine. Raila likely to do that...