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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2020, 03:05:28 PM »
Not only land - places like Molo I will never sleep there. These things causes lots of bitterness and hatred. UhuRuto had done some good band aid on the wounds and it look likely the wounds will soon be re-opened - and even more wounds created.

There are places you should just not buy land. Even in Isiolo -you gotta be careful

Incredible stuff, this is a very volatile situation. What makes these things super dangerous is everything can appear calm even for years then one morning cnn, bbc, al jazeera, rt, etc scream breaking news thousands massacred in kenya rift Valley. This is no joke that's why i would never buy land in RV and advice people against it unless you are kamatusa
Yes, even in isiolo they are demarcated areas each kabilas live you wont see a mumeru in north or west, they are south and east of isiolo, when the conflicts erupt atleast your kinsmen is with you, same case borana samburu, somali turkana, but northern side is most volatile. But as a rule each kabila sticks to its zone and war is on the borders or isiolo town itself.

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2020, 03:09:42 PM »
Kipsigis like kisii continue giving birth like rats and expect someone else to accommodate their swelling population. At least finally the Maa are saying no to land occupation. kalenjins should buy land in urban centers like everyone else or continue wallowing in poverty. It looks like your average Kipsigis is a very poor. These guys always look emaciated and 20 years older than they are. I bet you farming maize and dairy cattle takes toll on them

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2020, 03:36:24 PM »
Kipsigis like kisii continue giving birth like rats and expect someone else to accommodate their swelling population. At least finally the Maa are saying no to land occupation. kalenjins should buy land in urban centers like everyone else or continue wallowing in poverty. It looks like your average Kipsigis is a very poor. These guys always look emaciated and 20 years older than they are. I bet you farming maize and dairy cattle takes toll on them

If I were a Kipsigis politican I would sensitize my community on having small families and aggressively make family planning is available in every village. Their enemy is not other kabilas but poverty due to their population outstripping their resource base.

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2020, 04:05:32 PM »
Those from chepalungu and bomet east - and transmara - are really miserable looking.
Kipsigis like kisii continue giving birth like rats and expect someone else to accommodate their swelling population. At least finally the Maa are saying no to land occupation. kalenjins should buy land in urban centers like everyone else or continue wallowing in poverty. It looks like your average Kipsigis is a very poor. These guys always look emaciated and 20 years older than they are. I bet you farming maize and dairy cattle takes toll on them

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2020, 05:53:27 PM »
Kipsigis like kisii continue giving birth like rats and expect someone else to accommodate their swelling population. At least finally the Maa are saying no to land occupation. kalenjins should buy land in urban centers like everyone else or continue wallowing in poverty. It looks like your average Kipsigis is a very poor. These guys always look emaciated and 20 years older than they are. I bet you farming maize and dairy cattle takes toll on them

If I were a Kipsigis politican I would sensitize my community on having small families and aggressively make family planning is available in every village. Their enemy is not other kabilas but poverty due to their population outstripping their resource base.



In a volatile situation like that, it may seem counter intuitive to have a small family.  In any case, Kipsigis are not exactly poor, by Kenyan standards.  If you want to see poor Kalenjin look no further than Marakwet(who even loathed Moi) and Pokot.
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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2020, 06:06:01 PM »
Do not believe everything Pundit writes here. A lot of it are wishes.
First of all, the Kalejin do not have a monopoly to violence. Good example is Narok.
Why should only the unemployed Kalejin youth rebel while millions of other Kenyan youth are hanging around in cities and in the countryside? Do the Kalejin have a bigger claim to public resources than other Kenyans?

What is this obsession you have with war everytime quoting a million kalenjin youth?when war starts tgere wont be a winner, kalenjin lands will be decimated, the most that will happen is Kikuyus get evicted from RV which will lead to a scorch earth policy. I dont want that to happen as kikuyu refugees will head for Meru to seek shelter and solace further complicating and destabilizing our peaceful zone as masses of Ariimiti will be up to no good. In all a war in RV could engulf the whole nation and cause fragmentation of the country  into mini republics. Gatheca does not care though

Kenya, has been fortunate to escape any noteworthy violence.  But a look around that region in Africa, should be enough to disabuse anybody that nobody will just sit and take their lumps.  The capacity for violence is one thing the average African seems to be very well endowed with.  In Rwanda, for example, farmers can turn into efficient killers on a dime.

It's always a good idea to see what bloodshed looks like and I think that is something the government owes its people.  Show people what's going on in places like Ambazonia in Cameroon, or Jos Plateau in Naija.  These are not war-zones per-se.  But the violence there is on a scale that Kenyans have not experienced but should hit home because it's carried out by "normal" people.
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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2020, 09:08:31 PM »
Ethiopia is going through serious PEV and nobody cares.

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2020, 09:10:17 PM »
Tea growing region of kipsigis land are fine...that thankfully is 3\4 - and so kipsigis are generally the most progressive of Kalenjin.The poverty is restricted to small region living in lower bomet and narok.
In a volatile situation like that, it may seem counter intuitive to have a small family.  In any case, Kipsigis are not exactly poor, by Kenyan standards.  If you want to see poor Kalenjin look no further than Marakwet(who even loathed Moi) and Pokot.

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2020, 09:36:27 AM »
Ethiopia has its issues, but remember the Ethiopians have lived under dictatorship since 1974. It is actually the first time in 50 years that they are experiencing some sense of political and social freedom. They have to learn to live with democracy. It has its price and the individual has to take more social responsibility.

Ethiopia is going through serious PEV and nobody cares.

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2020, 12:22:12 PM »
If I were a Kipsigis politican I would sensitize my community on having small families and aggressively make family planning is available in every village. Their enemy is not other kabilas but poverty due to their population outstripping their resource base.

This is why I equate voting for Ruto out of fear to feeding a hyena your goat to tame him. The root cause of PEV is poverty not politics. Even this situation Pundit blames Natembeya and Uhuru - is claiming the symptoms caused the disease. These Transmara fights started long during Moi. In 2007 ignorant warriors blamed Moi for not evicting Kikuyu - which would be mere kicking the can down the road.
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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2020, 12:55:10 PM »
Why wasn't there violence in Jubilee 1.0. Mau ndo shinda. It's delicate situation. It was part of Moi solution to fix the landless caused by British occupation of prime kipsigis land and kikuyus occupying part of it.

Kipsigis should invade tea estates - and divide it into small plots - if they are being kicked out mau forest that they mostly bought from maasai and okieks - and moi era fat cats.

People who don't understand RV complex issues should stay away - because it's playing with a bomb.

This is why I equate voting for Ruto out of fear to feeding a hyena your goat to tame him. The root cause of PEV is poverty not politics. Even this situation Pundit blames Natembeya and Uhuru - is claiming the symptoms caused the disease. These Transmara fights started long during Moi. In 2007 ignorant warriors blamed Moi for not evicting Kikuyu - which would be mere kicking the can down the road.

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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2020, 01:36:08 PM »
Marioshoni is also a practice ground. Kipsigis against the Ogiek. This Natembeya naive PC and those tribal DCs in Nakuru and Narok have no clue what they are dealing with.

I saw the police lorries and land cruisers can't even speed to 10 kms in those rough roads- they are endangering those police while they fly in and out in helicopters - they think those jungles are Nairobi streets or where their posh colonial DC offices are located where they spend whole days scratching their balls. With nobody, even the church to call out the build up, this will be crazy unless Ruto finds a way out.

https://citizentv.co.ke/news/two-chiefs-among-16-to-be-charged-for-incitement-over-mariashoni-clashes-340766/
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/counties/nakuru/dusk-to-dawn-curfew-imposed-in-clash-hit-njoro-villages-1910406
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Re: More practise war matches btw Kipsigis and Maasai - see 10 dead
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2020, 01:52:39 PM »
You get it. Now you can expect people are arming themselves for future wars. They can see it coming.
Marioshoni is also a practice ground. Kipsigis against the Ogiek. This Natembeya naive PC and those tribal DCs in Nakuru and Narok have no clue what they are dealing with.

I saw the police lorries and land cruisers can't even speed to 10 kms in those rough roads- they are endangering those police while they fly in and out in helicopters - they think those jungles are Nairobi streets or where their posh colonial DC offices are located where they spend whole days scratching their balls. With nobody, even the church to call out the build up, this will be crazy unless Ruto finds a way out.

https://citizentv.co.ke/news/two-chiefs-among-16-to-be-charged-for-incitement-over-mariashoni-clashes-340766/
https://www.nation.co.ke/kenya/counties/nakuru/dusk-to-dawn-curfew-imposed-in-clash-hit-njoro-villages-1910406