Kichwa, On Bonface Mwangi

[vooke]

my view on this issue is far from rigid because I am saying that Kenyans do not vote based on tribe alone and the evidence is overwhelming. Both Ouru's votes and Raila's votes exceed the number of Kikuyu and Luo registered voters. There are also kikuyus who voted for Raila and Luos who voted for Ouru. The rigidity lies in the argument that Kenyans vote on tribe alone- Period.

We are making progress from 'Kenyans don't vote based on Tribe,and that is lazy and oversimplification' to 'Kenyans don't vote on tribe alone'. Nobody said Tribe is the only determinant, but it is such a huge deal that solely on it alone one can make reasonably accurate predictions. When you ignore Tribe,which we all wish was never a factor,any prediction you make is doomed. Any politician who ignores Tribe gets nowhere.

Babu is not as deluded; he planted an Okoyu rapist in Starehe (Mbogo), and almost always a Luo in Embakasi East (Ongiri). It's precisely for this reason both Jubilee and NASWA had Luhya Senator aspirants

[Kadame6]

Whats this need to make Kichwa follow the dogmas of nipate? Physics was near 100% sold on Newtonian physics when Einstein came along with a crazy new explanation for the exact same things. No one denies the tribal trends themselves. Its not been my understanding of his posts that Kichwa denies them. The disagreement is with the ultimate explanation for these trends. That explanation has implications for how changeable one thinks this phenomenon is. That the most obvious explanation is the consensus of the forum doesn't mean its the only reasonable one given the short instances in history when Kenyans showed a deep desire to unite rather than stick to their tribal cacoons. I see no problem entertaining more than one rigid way of looking at things.

You lost me somewhere.  Kichwa has his views, which he freely expresses here.  Others have different views, which they freely express here.   As far as I can tell, all views are "entertained".   Should Kichwa's "rigidity" in his views be considered superior to the "rigidity" in other views?   If not, then we should see it as no more than people expressing different views and disagreeing.     It's not as though anyone is trying to "convert" Kichwa.   Or is the idea that those who don't agree with him should simply shut up?

I wasn't even talkin about you. Sheesh!