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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on December 17, 2020, 11:27:08 PM

Title: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: RV Pundit on December 17, 2020, 11:27:08 PM
Now without deputy governor - we will see interesting times.
I think gov will not want election - so expect court battles

If it goes to election; it will be huge mistake for Handshake - kichapo kubwa.

Sonko unless he chicken to Machakos is still the  man to beat in Nairobi.

The pretenders like Obtuse Waweru, PK, Senator Pkogsei Sakaja have no hope.

Kidero has run to Homabay.

Nairobi is too hot.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 17, 2020, 11:41:28 PM
Now this is what we wanted. A pyrric victory for Uhuru and Muranga businessmen, now we will see if they will buy the DG and continue with NMS, if they will go the election way and in the process block Sonko .
And if they opt the election way they money is to big in Nairobi for ODM to chicken out.(hakuna kuregesha Mkono).
Expect Hustler nation to regroup a golden chance for Ruto to takeover Nairobi. Raila and Uhuru are either clueless or on a self destructive mode.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: patel on December 17, 2020, 11:53:42 PM
Sonko has to make peace with Uhuru and Gema fraternity else they are coming after him and the stash he has looted. End to a big joke. I hope we never live to see some of these characters rise up to governor position, MCA yes but anything beyond that is setting up a county or country to fail.
 
They should just take him out and put him out of misery.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: RV Pundit on December 18, 2020, 01:41:02 AM
After 3 months sonko will be back...I don't see how anyone in current BBI crew can beat him..
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on December 18, 2020, 06:25:36 AM
This was all to have a kikuyu as governor rumours abound that Igathe had not submitted his resignation to IEBC. but should it go to election has Gatheca thought of what will happen then afte we have a new governor as if he will play ball with NMS?? Will NMS become irrelevant? Gatheca and baba are boxing themselves into a corner. Lets wait and see I wonder who is most suitable candidate for Hustler team for handshake they might try Igathe or Kenneth.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: RV Pundit on December 18, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
Let see if odm will cooperate and endorse kieleweke...that has been kamanda gameplan..for waweru dennis.Kidero might be tempted to comeback from homsbay.Maybe badu can resign from the kdf and go for it...that will be something
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: GeeMail on December 18, 2020, 10:25:08 AM
Why does it sound like Sonko's impeachment is more significant than Feisal's Msambweni victory? Is Tangatanga reluctant to keep Feisal in the headlines?
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Fairandbalanced on December 18, 2020, 10:38:26 AM
The era of populism is over with the defeat of Trump, if you ask me, it lasted way too long. Nairobians have started to taste some semblance of a development focused administratio, they are not going back to Sonko. Let him run in three months, atajua hajui. It’s also a huge mistake for Ruto to associate with these characters but 2022 is a lifetime away.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: RV Pundit on December 18, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
Nairobeans should have been allowed to run their sonko experiment to completion. The attack on democracy therefore negates everything KDF are doing to clean up Nairobi.
The era of populism is over with the defeat of Trump, if you ask me, it lasted way too long. Nairobians have started to taste some semblance of a development focused administratio, they are not going back to Sonko. Let him run in three months, atajua hajui. It’s also a huge mistake for Ruto to associate with these characters but 2022 is a lifetime away.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: GeeMail on December 18, 2020, 10:50:47 AM
But Pundit isn't it the same people machinery which elected Sonko that also gave the impeachment? You can't have a coin and only accept one side.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 18, 2020, 10:52:24 AM
Why does it sound like Sonko's impeachment is more significant than Feisal's Msambweni victory? Is Tangatanga reluctant to keep Feisal in the headlines?

it's not like the Tangatanga lot has had a long list of victories - Diani is a blip. Else they are just hot air - spin on steroids - "winning by losing" is a new concept. So they "won" Bondo through a non-descript guy - won Embakasi thru Wiper - won Kibra thru Imran - etc  :)

They are even claiming to have won MCA in Naivasha, Kahawa, Murang'a- because Jubilee candidates did not win :o :o

Now this hanging of "their man" - who NEVER openly allies with them anyhow  8) - is another victory in disguise 🥸 Hehe Jesus could come down and they would declare Ruto brought him.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 18, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
So Moses Kuria is aligned to ? Even the partys name says it all

Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 18, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
Spin on. There was no whiff of hustler vs dynasty in Gema on Dec 15. Ukora miingi we were all here. If say in Matungu Vihiga by-elections ANC man beats ODM - Tangatanga like you will claim "hustler" has won.

Do you remember Bondo? The winner had Raila photos in his campaign posters - this did not stop Tangatanga "we beat ODM" nonsense. That is what is happening in Naivasha and Kiharu.


So Moses Kuria is aligned to ? Even the partys name says it all

Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Kadudu on December 18, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
That is the problem with Jubilee crowd that is now singing praise songs for Ruto. Ruto's regime will just be an extension of Uhuru's. Plunder without thinking of tomorrow. A moron like Sonko cannot think out of the box.

But Pundit isn't it the same people machinery which elected Sonko that also gave the impeachment? You can't have a coin and only accept one side.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Kadudu on December 18, 2020, 12:23:15 PM
The democracy in Kenya died in 2007 and was buried finally in 2013. So do not mention it here.

Nairobeans should have been allowed to run their sonko experiment to completion. The attack on democracy therefore negates everything KDF are doing to clean up Nairobi.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 18, 2020, 12:43:19 PM
That is the problem with Jubilee crowd that is now singing praise songs for Ruto. Ruto's regime will just be an extension of Uhuru's. Plunder without thinking of tomorrow. A moron like Sonko cannot think out of the box.

But Pundit isn't it the same people machinery which elected Sonko that also gave the impeachment? You can't have a coin and only accept one side.

Funny you are now supporting Uhuru in the shape and form of BBI aka Handshake , dont you see the Irony?
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 18, 2020, 12:47:29 PM
Nairobeans should have been allowed to run their sonko experiment to completion. The attack on democracy therefore negates everything KDF are doing to clean up Nairobi.
The era of populism is over with the defeat of Trump, if you ask me, it lasted way too long. Nairobians have started to taste some semblance of a development focused administratio, they are not going back to Sonko. Let him run in three months, atajua hajui. It’s also a huge mistake for Ruto to associate with these characters but 2022 is a lifetime away.

Uhurru is just a naive person  , he keeps on dishing critical dockets/sectors  to military he does not know what he is doing .Yesterday je was ordering KDF to take over civilian govt planes . One day he will wake up to a surprise . 

https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/60400-uhuru-orders-kdf-take-over-civilian-govt-planes
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: GeeMail on December 18, 2020, 01:28:49 PM
So Moses Kuria is aligned to ? Even the partys name says it all


So should we count Kanu, ANC, Wiper seats with ODM now that they are all behind BBI?
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 18, 2020, 09:31:03 PM
Pundit your legal ignorance is glaring as usual - Sonko cannot run again for governor- ANYWHERE in Kenya. He has just been indicted by the county assembly and the senate. If Mumbi Ngugi doesn't save him - IEBC will reject his candidature.

I have seen Tangatanga desperadoes chasing their tails on twirra - nope Sonko and Waititu cannot run for governor no more. Nor in fact any elective public office.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: RV Pundit on December 18, 2020, 09:38:20 PM
Quote the law moron.
Pundit your legal ignorance is glaring as usual - Sonko cannot run again for governor- ANYWHERE in Kenya. He has just been indicted by the county assembly and the senate. If Mumbi Ngugi doesn't save him - IEBC will reject his candidature.

I have seen Tangatanga desperadoes chasing their tails on twirra - nope Sonko and Waititu cannot run for governor no more. Nor in fact any elective public office.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 18, 2020, 09:48:02 PM
Leadership & integrity act 2012

Quote the law moron.
Pundit your legal ignorance is glaring as usual - Sonko cannot run again for governor- ANYWHERE in Kenya. He has just been indicted by the county assembly and the senate. If Mumbi Ngugi doesn't save him - IEBC will reject his candidature.

I have seen Tangatanga desperadoes chasing their tails on twirra - nope Sonko and Waititu cannot run for governor no more. Nor in fact any elective public office.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: GeeMail on December 20, 2020, 08:02:59 AM
True Robina. Sonko and Waititu cannot run for public office until they are declared innocent. It would be a travesty of justice for IEBC/DCI/EACC to clear them to run when they have been found unsuitable by a quasi-judicial process of their own assemblies and the Senate. Should they for some reason be allowed to run, Sonko's rivals only need to play that clip of him shouting expletives over and over at campaign rallies. There are also pending court cases. Chapter Six can be invoked in many ways to bar them.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: RV Pundit on December 20, 2020, 08:16:18 AM
The constitution is more supreme.
Leadership & integrity act 2012
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 20, 2020, 01:07:11 PM
Dream on: the act details the constitution. Impeachment is the equivalent of a conviction by court for public office. MCAs, MPs, senators are political courts - they merely cannot jail you but their word is final on eligibility. Judiciary can only overrule them on process. Sonko has narrow window to prove MCA accounts were hacked. Waititu goose was already eaten.

An MP recalled would equally loose the right to vie. Permanently.

We can quote the Commonwealth if you prefer: in the US, the chief justice usually oversees the process where the subject is the president - or the state chief judge oversees for governor. The US constitution bars presidential or gubernatorial pardons for impeached folks. This is because impeachment while not a jail sentence, is not only immediate removal from office but strips one of the right to hold public office in future.


The constitution is more supreme.
Leadership & integrity act 2012
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: RV Pundit on December 20, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
Impeachment is not conviction -and if found in criminal conviction - Sonko has to exhaust all the avenues. Right now he has court case on this and other. He will still be eligible unless he doesn't want to run again.
Dream on: the act details the constitution. Impeachment is the equivalent of a conviction by court for public office. MCAs, MPs, senators are political courts - they merely cannot jail you but their word is final on eligibility. Judiciary can only overrule them on process. Sonko has narrow window to prove MCA accounts were hacked. Waititu goose was already eaten.

An MP recalled would equally loose the right to vie. Permanently.

We can quote the Commonwealth if you prefer: in the US, the chief justice usually oversees the process where the subject is the president - or the state chief judge oversees for governor. The US constitution bars presidential or gubernatorial pardons for impeached folks. This is because impeachment while not a jail sentence, is not only immediate removal from office but strips one of the right to hold public office in future.


The constitution is more supreme.
Leadership & integrity act 2012
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 20, 2020, 01:41:38 PM
Dream on: the act details the constitution. Impeachment is the equivalent of a conviction by court for public office. MCAs, MPs, senators are political courts - they merely cannot jail you but their word is final on eligibility. Judiciary can only overrule them on process. Sonko has narrow window to prove MCA accounts were hacked. Waititu goose was already eaten.

An MP recalled would equally loose the right to vie. Permanently.

We can quote the Commonwealth if you prefer: in the US, the chief justice usually oversees the process where the subject is the president - or the state chief judge oversees for governor. The US constitution bars presidential or gubernatorial pardons for impeached folks. This is because impeachment while not a jail sentence, is not only immediate removal from office but strips one of the right to hold public office in future.


The constitution is more supreme.
Leadership & integrity act 2012

You pretend to be clever but you dont explain exhaustively when you quote commonwealth laws in relative to Kenyan context.Until  the  high court exercises its writ jurisdiction in this matter what you are saying is hogwash as proven in the UhuRuto cases back in 2012
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: GeeMail on December 21, 2020, 10:54:32 AM
Can Kidero run in the Nairobi gubernatorial?
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 21, 2020, 01:05:01 PM
Impeachment is political conviction- which knock one out of eligibility. He can run to high court about MCA or senate process - within 14 days - otherwise senate has final jurisdiction about the substantive grounds for impeachment.

Anyway your legal record speak for itself - it not first time you're chasing your tail. Clueless fool.

Impeachment is not conviction -and if found in criminal conviction - Sonko has to exhaust all the avenues. Right now he has court case on this and other. He will still be eligible unless he doesn't want to run again.
Dream on: the act details the constitution. Impeachment is the equivalent of a conviction by court for public office. MCAs, MPs, senators are political courts - they merely cannot jail you but their word is final on eligibility. Judiciary can only overrule them on process. Sonko has narrow window to prove MCA accounts were hacked. Waititu goose was already eaten.

An MP recalled would equally loose the right to vie. Permanently.

We can quote the Commonwealth if you prefer: in the US, the chief justice usually oversees the process where the subject is the president - or the state chief judge oversees for governor. The US constitution bars presidential or gubernatorial pardons for impeached folks. This is because impeachment while not a jail sentence, is not only immediate removal from office but strips one of the right to hold public office in future.


The constitution is more supreme.
Leadership & integrity act 2012
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 21, 2020, 01:08:51 PM
Can Kidero run in the Nairobi gubernatorial?

Yup. Neither convicted by the senate nor the courts. In fact Kidero can run countrywide for ANY seat.
Title: Re: Sonko impeached - end of the road?
Post by: Nefertiti on December 21, 2020, 01:13:52 PM
Dream on: the act details the constitution. Impeachment is the equivalent of a conviction by court for public office. MCAs, MPs, senators are political courts - they merely cannot jail you but their word is final on eligibility. Judiciary can only overrule them on process. Sonko has narrow window to prove MCA accounts were hacked. Waititu goose was already eaten.

An MP recalled would equally loose the right to vie. Permanently.

We can quote the Commonwealth if you prefer: in the US, the chief justice usually oversees the process where the subject is the president - or the state chief judge oversees for governor. The US constitution bars presidential or gubernatorial pardons for impeached folks. This is because impeachment while not a jail sentence, is not only immediate removal from office but strips one of the right to hold public office in future.


The constitution is more supreme.
Leadership & integrity act 2012

You pretend to be clever but you dont explain exhaustively when you quote commonwealth laws in relative to Kenyan context.Until  the  high court exercises its writ jurisdiction in this matter what you are saying is hogwash as proven in the UhuRuto cases back in 2012

Uhuruto CRIMINAL case never ended in conviction. Thrown out by ICC equivalent of a magistrate's court. Sonko POLITICAL case has ended in conviction - unless high court saves his sorry arse. Ball is in Sonko's court - 14 days - after which the senate sentencing is final.

Oh, I am clever obviously but that's hardly the point here.