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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on December 08, 2020, 09:01:35 AM
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https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/news/east-africa/somalia-kenya-frosty-relationship-3219522
The silly drug should be nuked like Coca plants in Colombia.
Njuri
How comes these Wariahs are always on your case. Without Miraa Meru will go back t stone age and the only thing you will be selling is NJAHI
Miraa (khat), a mild narcotic drug exported to Somalia, is sorted at Wilson Airport in Kenya's capital Nairobi. In November, Mogadishu banned imports of miraa and flights from Kenya until after the country completes elections. PHOTO | AFP
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Sheikh Madobe recently announced soon after landing in Kismayu from Nairobi that Jubbaland will not hold the elections for senators that were was scheduled for December 1-10, until Mogadishu withdraws its troops from Gedo.
Mogadishu then accused Nairobi of having influenced Sheikh Madobe to go against the September election agreement with the view to destabilise the election process.
But Kenya’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs immediately termed the accusations false and “regretful”.
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The recent Kenya Somalia diplomatic spat where Somalia President Mohammed Abdullahi Farmaajo recalled his envoy from Nairobi, brings to the Farmaajo administration’s displeasure at what he terms Kenya treating Somalia like a “foster child” and not an equal partner.
On November 29, Farmaajo recalled his ambassador to Kenya, Mohamud Ahmed Nur for “consultation.” He also ordered Kenya’s envoy to Somalia, Lucas Tumbo, to return to Nairobi, in what Mogadishu said was undue “interference” in the internal affairs of Somalia.
At the centre of the diplomatic spat is Jubbaland President, Ahmed Mohamed Islam, commonly known as Sheikh Madobe, who sources say always reneges on agreements after making calls or visiting Nairobi. The Farmaajo administration believes Sheikh Madobe has been working closely with Kenyan intelligence for “ulterior “motives.
Sheikh Madobe recently announced soon after landing in Kismayu from Nairobi that Jubbaland will not hold the elections for senators that were was scheduled for December 1-10, until Mogadishu withdraws its troops from Gedo.
Mogadishu then accused Nairobi of having influenced Sheikh Madobe to go against the September election agreement with the view to destabilise the election process, but Kenya’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs immediately termed the accusations false and “regretful”.
“Kenya continues to support the people of Somalia in their quest for peace and stability, as well as making a meaningful contribution towards re-establishment of institutions of political governance,” said the statemen
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I agree with you. I have never vouched for miraa as a commercial product but only for social traditional purposes. The leverage Somalia has over Merus just because of miraa is unimaginable they even control Meru north politics just way Mogadishu control North Eastern this honestly disgusts me.
Miraa was a peaceful herb by late 80s but when Somalia disintegrated and the somalis ran abroad that's when Miraa became a commercial product. All horn of Africa kabilas grew and consumed Miraa for thousands of years, Meru because of its fertile lands was able to produce and meet demands of these kabilas, but even then it was more like barter trade nothing huge. By late 90s miraa was worth around 15% of Kenyas GDP those hot headed north Merus became stinking rich and schools were abandoned in the hundreds std 4 kids were millionaires they looked down on education and the learned. The social set up was upset as the young now with money looked down on anyone. But how things change now they are looking the other way.
Miraa should have never been commercialized look at Yemen and Somalia countries in total disarray because of miraa trade. Merus those of north descent need get away from it and be like others in horticulture and dairy produce.
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Ati miraa in the 90s was 15% of kenya GDP? Maybe in miraa economics but real kenyan economics Meru including thraka nithi haas never even approached 5% of kenya GDP https://blogs.worldbank.org/africacan/for-the-first-time-the-relative-economic-size-of-kenyas-counties-is-clear . That includes all economic activity, tea , coffee cereals , tourism , miraa, name it etc.
Miraa immediate threat is muguka, cheaper more potent. There's zero research that has gone to lowering cost of producing miraa, zero investment in branding, packaging , genetics etc. Meru by now should have a miraa brand with prerequisite packaging . Miraa are still being wrapped with banana leaves. Try branding that!
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Ati miraa in the 90s was 15% of kenya GDP? Maybe in miraa economics but real kenyan economics Meru including thraka nithi haas never even approached 5% of kenya GDP https://blogs.worldbank.org/africacan/for-the-first-time-the-relative-economic-size-of-kenyas-counties-is-clear . That includes all economic activity, tea , coffee cereals , tourism , miraa, name it etc.
Miraa immediate threat is muguka, cheaper more potent. There's zero research that has gone to lowering cost of producing miraa, zero investment in branding, packaging , genetics etc. Meru by now should have a miraa brand with prerequisite packaging . Miraa are still being wrapped with banana leaves. Try branding that!
This borona from meru call njuri has eaten too many matahas and Njahii mpaka he cant think...
Yes muguka us potent..a small batch and you are high as a kite
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Ati miraa in the 90s was 15% of kenya GDP? Maybe in miraa economics but real kenyan economics Meru including thraka nithi haas never even approached 5% of kenya GDP https://blogs.worldbank.org/africacan/for-the-first-time-the-relative-economic-size-of-kenyas-counties-is-clear . That includes all economic activity, tea , coffee cereals , tourism , miraa, name it etc.
Miraa immediate threat is muguka, cheaper more potent. There's zero research that has gone to lowering cost of producing miraa, zero investment in branding, packaging , genetics etc. Meru by now should have a miraa brand with prerequisite packaging . Miraa are still being wrapped with banana leaves. Try branding that!
You are underestimating mitaa and overestimating Kenyas GDP .
What is Kenyas GDP? Take for example this is a fact when Uhuru came to power Kenya airways foreign income was bringing 15% to Kenyas GDP aince the ban of Miraa to Europe and U.K. KQ profits nosedived
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Nowaya
You are a finance and economics idiot. Kq is cant even wipe it financial arse leave alone bring 15% of gdp. Get an educafion first before payukaring like muguruki
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Nowaya
You are a finance and economics idiot. Kq is cant even wipe it financial arse leave alone bring 15% of gdp. Get an educafion first before payukaring like muguruki
You are ignorant, by 2013 KQ revenues were grossing around 100Billion and much of it was feom foreign countries meaning money was coming into Kenya ala foreign exchange by then around 15% of Kenyas GDP , titht now Kaq injects around 115Billion around 5% of Kenyas GDP. This are all facts.
Feel free to google
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Njuri - kenya economy is now nearly 10 trillion annually - 115B kshs is 1.15%
You are ignorant, by 2013 KQ revenues were grossing around 100Billion and much of it was feom foreign countries meaning money was coming into Kenya ala foreign exchange by then around 15% of Kenyas GDP , titht now Kaq injects around 115Billion around 5% of Kenyas GDP. This are all facts.
Feel free to google
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Pundit educate this idiot. He was dropped on his head as a baby
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Njuri - kenya economy is now nearly 10 trillion annually - 115B kshs is 1.15%
You are ignorant, by 2013 KQ revenues were grossing around 100Billion and much of it was feom foreign countries meaning money was coming into Kenya ala foreign exchange by then around 15% of Kenyas GDP , titht now Kaq injects around 115Billion around 5% of Kenyas GDP. This are all facts.
Feel free to google
Am talking about the late 1990s why cant you guys read my statement there clearly. GDP then was around 30B$. and yes i stick that then Miraa made about 15% of kenyas GDP without a doubt
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Ati miraa in the 90s was 15% of kenya GDP? Maybe in miraa economics but real kenyan economics Meru including thraka nithi haas never even approached 5% of kenya GDP https://blogs.worldbank.org/africacan/for-the-first-time-the-relative-economic-size-of-kenyas-counties-is-clear . That includes all economic activity, tea , coffee cereals , tourism , miraa, name it etc.
Miraa immediate threat is muguka, cheaper more potent. There's zero research that has gone to lowering cost of producing miraa, zero investment in branding, packaging , genetics etc. Meru by now should have a miraa brand with prerequisite packaging . Miraa are still being wrapped with banana leaves. Try branding that!
Why don't you bring statistics from the 1990s this you posting year is just recent devolution stuff. Miraa and I repeat you can break a sweat or pop a vein it made 15% of Kenyas GDP in late 1990s.
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Ati miraa in the 90s was 15% of kenya GDP? Maybe in miraa economics but real kenyan economics Meru including thraka nithi haas never even approached 5% of kenya GDP https://blogs.worldbank.org/africacan/for-the-first-time-the-relative-economic-size-of-kenyas-counties-is-clear . That includes all economic activity, tea , coffee cereals , tourism , miraa, name it etc.
Miraa immediate threat is muguka, cheaper more potent. There's zero research that has gone to lowering cost of producing miraa, zero investment in branding, packaging , genetics etc. Meru by now should have a miraa brand with prerequisite packaging . Miraa are still being wrapped with banana leaves. Try branding that!
Why don't you bring statistics from the 1990s this you posting year is just recent devolution stuff. Miraa and I repeat you can break a sweat or pop a vein it made 15% of Kenyas GDP in late 1990s.
In the late 90s exports per GDP averaged 22% https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS?locations=KE the average value of total exports $3b. Meanwhile kenya's export to somali averaged about $30m https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/KEN/Year/1999/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/SOM/Product/all-groups . This would mean Miraa contribution was less than 1%.
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Ati miraa in the 90s was 15% of kenya GDP? Maybe in miraa economics but real kenyan economics Meru including thraka nithi haas never even approached 5% of kenya GDP https://blogs.worldbank.org/africacan/for-the-first-time-the-relative-economic-size-of-kenyas-counties-is-clear . That includes all economic activity, tea , coffee cereals , tourism , miraa, name it etc.
Miraa immediate threat is muguka, cheaper more potent. There's zero research that has gone to lowering cost of producing miraa, zero investment in branding, packaging , genetics etc. Meru by now should have a miraa brand with prerequisite packaging . Miraa are still being wrapped with banana leaves. Try branding that!
Why don't you bring statistics from the 1990s this you posting year is just recent devolution stuff. Miraa and I repeat you can break a sweat or pop a vein it made 15% of Kenyas GDP in late 1990s.
In the late 90s exports per GDP averaged 22% https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS?locations=KE the average value of total exports $3b. Meanwhile kenya's export to somali averaged about $30m https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/KEN/Year/1999/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/SOM/Product/all-groups . This would mean Miraa contribution was less than 1%.
Clearly you fall short on the mental side that deals with analytical thinking. Miraa export to Somali though huge in quantity was less in terms of cash. Real hard cash came from UK and Netherlands where Miraa raked in billions of hard Dollars during the 90s. To get proper figures look at Kenyas exports to Europe and even then some Miraa figures would be lost under agricultural export to those countries.
Why do I feel as if am only the Most Intelligent person in Nipate :o
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I think all of you with exception of Noway don't really understand what Miraa was in the 90s. Dont look at Somalia look at the exports to Europe mainly UK and Netherlands. Somalia though a huge market was in disarray because of the wars and most of somalis went to Europe creating networks and supply chains very formidable. It is even well known that Moi used to borrow money from Miraa kingpins to facilitate his harambees etc. Illiterate Merus like Kalweo were made Interior minister yet they never set foot in school but were worth billions. The list is endless. Miraa dealers used to only buy new hilux or land cruisers and use them for only 6 months and sell of at through away prices. Then one pickupload of Miraa was said to have a value equivalent of that Toyota hilux. I know of some guys who had even 11 Toyita Hiluxs now rotting away.
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meru self-delusion. these kind of stories I use to hear at campus from meru - together with tusker/kenya breweries - selling more beer in meru than anywhere else.
I think all of you with exception of Noway don't really understand what Miraa was in the 90s. Dont look at Somalia look at the exports to Europe mainly UK and Netherlands. Somalia though a huge market was in disarray because of the wars and most of somalis went to Europe creating networks and supply chains very formidable. It is even well known that Moi used to borrow money from Miraa kingpins to facilitate his harambees etc. Illiterate Merus like Kalweo were made Interior minister yet they never set foot in school but were worth billions. The list is endless. Miraa dealers used to only buy new hilux or land cruisers and use them for only 6 months and sell of at through away prices. Then one pickupload of Miraa was said to have a value equivalent of that Toyota hilux. I know of some guys who had even 11 Toyita Hiluxs now rotting away.
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Ati miraa in the 90s was 15% of kenya GDP? Maybe in miraa economics but real kenyan economics Meru including thraka nithi haas never even approached 5% of kenya GDP https://blogs.worldbank.org/africacan/for-the-first-time-the-relative-economic-size-of-kenyas-counties-is-clear . That includes all economic activity, tea , coffee cereals , tourism , miraa, name it etc.
Miraa immediate threat is muguka, cheaper more potent. There's zero research that has gone to lowering cost of producing miraa, zero investment in branding, packaging , genetics etc. Meru by now should have a miraa brand with prerequisite packaging . Miraa are still being wrapped with banana leaves. Try branding that!
Why don't you bring statistics from the 1990s this you posting year is just recent devolution stuff. Miraa and I repeat you can break a sweat or pop a vein it made 15% of Kenyas GDP in late 1990s.
In the late 90s exports per GDP averaged 22% https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS?locations=KE the average value of total exports $3b. Meanwhile kenya's export to somali averaged about $30m https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/KEN/Year/1999/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/SOM/Product/all-groups . This would mean Miraa contribution was less than 1%.
Clearly you fall short on the mental side that deals with analytical thinking. Miraa export to Somali though huge in quantity was less in terms of cash. Real hard cash came from UK and Netherlands where Miraa raked in billions of hard Dollars during the 90s. To get proper figures look at Kenyas exports to Europe and even then some Miraa figures would be lost under agricultural export to those countries.
Why do I feel as if am only the Most Intelligent person in Nipate :o
Oh lord!! So lets take 1998 for example kenya total exports were $870m https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Year/1998/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/USA/Product/all-groups that was 20% of GDP. Three countries Uganda, Tanzania and Usa contributed about half of the total exports i.e 10% of GDP. So if we were to assume that the rest of the world only bought Miraa that'd give miraa contribution to 10%. Now what's the likelihood of the rest of world only buying Miraa? As much odds as Miraa contributing to 15% of GDP. That's the absurdity of your argument, but hey people can believe their own folklore tales.
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Merus are some of the most self-deluded people I know of.
Oh lord!! So lets take 1998 for example kenya total exports were $870m https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Year/1998/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/USA/Product/all-groups that was 20% of GDP. Three countries Uganda, Tanzania and Usa contributed about half of the total exports i.e 10% of GDP. So if we were to assume that the rest of the world only bought Miraa that'd give miraa contribution to 10%. Now what's the likelihood of the rest of world only buying Miraa? As much odds as Miraa contributing to 15% of GDP. That's the absurdity of your argument, but hey people can believe their own folklore tales.
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Njuri - kenya economy is now nearly 10 trillion annually - 115B kshs is 1.15%
You are ignorant, by 2013 KQ revenues were grossing around 100Billion and much of it was feom foreign countries meaning money was coming into Kenya ala foreign exchange by then around 15% of Kenyas GDP , titht now Kaq injects around 115Billion around 5% of Kenyas GDP. This are all facts.
Feel free to google
https://kippra.or.ke/index.php/resource-centre/blogs/162-repositioning-kenya-airways-on-its-feet-fast#:~:text=IATA%20projects%20a%20double%20growth,the%20significance%20of%20the%20sector.
yielding US$ 11.3 billion boosts to GDP and supporting an estimated 859,000 jobs by 2037. The aviation sector currently accounts for 4.6% of Kenya’s GDP and supports over 410,000 jobs, underscoring the significance of the sector.
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Nowaya
You are a finance and economics idiot. Kq is cant even wipe it financial arse leave alone bring 15% of gdp. Get an educafion first before payukaring like muguruki
You need aviation studies to understand the impact of an airline to a country . Its not as black and white as you think.
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I hope you don't imply aviation sector=KQ.
Njuri - kenya economy is now nearly 10 trillion annually - 115B kshs is 1.15%
You are ignorant, by 2013 KQ revenues were grossing around 100Billion and much of it was feom foreign countries meaning money was coming into Kenya ala foreign exchange by then around 15% of Kenyas GDP , titht now Kaq injects around 115Billion around 5% of Kenyas GDP. This are all facts.
Feel free to google
https://kippra.or.ke/index.php/resource-centre/blogs/162-repositioning-kenya-airways-on-its-feet-fast#:~:text=IATA%20projects%20a%20double%20growth,the%20significance%20of%20the%20sector.
yielding US$ 11.3 billion boosts to GDP and supporting an estimated 859,000 jobs by 2037. The aviation sector currently accounts for 4.6% of Kenya’s GDP and supports over 410,000 jobs, underscoring the significance of the sector.
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Apart from national pride - a loss making KQ is not needed. Emirates Airline would still contribute to kenya economy either way. KQ right now is a drain on the economy.
You need aviation studies to understand the impact of an airline to a country . Its not as black and white as you think.
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Merus are some of the most self-deluded people I know of.
Oh lord!! So lets take 1998 for example kenya total exports were $870m https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Year/1998/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/USA/Product/all-groups that was 20% of GDP. Three countries Uganda, Tanzania and Usa contributed about half of the total exports i.e 10% of GDP. So if we were to assume that the rest of the world only bought Miraa that'd give miraa contribution to 10%. Now what's the likelihood of the rest of world only buying Miraa? As much odds as Miraa contributing to 15% of GDP. That's the absurdity of your argument, but hey people can believe their own folklore tales.
Pundit, Meru a small community has constantly punched way above its numbers both economically and politically. The only Kabila in Kenya that I would think come closer or is at par are Kikuyu and then they are almost x10 our numbers. You guys continue having 9-10 kids so that you can rule Kenya in 40 to 50 years as you like saying
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Miraa is a hell of a drug; a hallucinat. Merus and Somalis suffer from the same disease. Mass hallucination.
Meru sasa ni kitu gani - I had never met one before UON :)
My best friend though were merus - once you get through their meru nationalism hallucination - they are great people.
One mugambi taught me how to chew miraa - that hallucinant can make you believe you own the world.
Somali people think they are a super-power as meru constantly supply them with KOOL-AID :)
Compulsive use of khat may result in manic behavior with grandiose delusions
Pundit, Meru a small community has constantly punched way above its numbers both economically and politically. The only Kabila in Kenya that I would think come closer or is at par are Kikuyu and then they are almost x10 our numbers. You guys continue having 9-10 kids so that you can rule Kenya in 40 to 50 years as you like saying
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Miraa is a hell of a drug; a hallucinat. Merus and Somalis suffer from the same disease. Mass hallucination.
Meru sasa ni kitu gani - I had never met one before UON :)
My best friend though were merus - once you get through their meru nationalism hallucination - they are great people.
One mugambi taught me how to chew miraa - that hallucinant can make you believe you own the world.
Somali people think they are a super-power as meru constantly supply them with KOOL-AID :)
Compulsive use of khat may result in manic behavior with grandiose delusions
Pundit, Meru a small community has constantly punched way above its numbers both economically and politically. The only Kabila in Kenya that I would think come closer or is at par are Kikuyu and then they are almost x10 our numbers. You guys continue having 9-10 kids so that you can rule Kenya in 40 to 50 years as you like saying
:D :D :D you will always blame meru enthusiasm on miraa
What a perfect way to dismiss merus just like we dismiss somalis on the same.
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Apart from national pride - a loss making KQ is not needed. Emirates Airline would still contribute to kenya economy either way. KQ right now is a drain on the economy.
You need aviation studies to understand the impact of an airline to a country . Its not as black and white as you think.
RVpundit, apart from the simple fact that if it wasnt for SPV suckling KQ revenues by overpriced lease charges , the imediate former polish CEO was right that the Govt should change its approach in looking at KQ as a profit generating entity and change its approach a revenue generating entity a catalyst to growth of GDP . KQ with a fleet of say perhaps 10 aircrafts would be making profits and be in the good books of the media but in terms of bringing revenue to Kenya would be disadvantegous in comparison with a Kq operating a wider fleet. Partly the reason in as much as Kenyta family is fleecing KQ the Kenyan government have never left it to go to the dogs
Go through the below article you will understand where Im coming from
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://qspace.qu.edu.qa/bitstream/handle/10576/6347/The%2520Assessment%2520of%2520the%2520Role%2520of%2520Qatar%2520Airways%2520in%2520the%2520Economic%2520Development%2520of%2520Qatar.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1%26isAllowed%3Dy&ved=2ahUKEwjYmcbco8btAhXFeisKHWjuCFoQFjADegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2V6113fQbT3FMz49kSuONt
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Apart from national pride - a loss making KQ is not needed. Emirates Airline would still contribute to kenya economy either way. KQ right now is a drain on the economy.
You need aviation studies to understand the impact of an airline to a country . Its not as black and white as you think.
RVpundit, apart from the simple fact that if it wasnt for SPV suckling KQ revenues by overpriced lease charges , the imediate former polish CEO was right that the Govt should change its approach in looking at KQ as a profit generating entity and change its approach a revenue generating entity a catalyst to growth of GDP . KQ with a fleet of say perhaps 10 aircrafts would be making profits and be in the good books of the media but in terms of bringing revenue to Kenya would be disadvantegous in comparison with a Kq operating a wider fleet. Partly the reason in as much as Kenyta family is fleecing KQ the Kenyan government have never left it to go to the dogs
Go through the below article you will understand where Im coming from
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://qspace.qu.edu.qa/bitstream/handle/10576/6347/The%2520Assessment%2520of%2520the%2520Role%2520of%2520Qatar%2520Airways%2520in%2520the%2520Economic%2520Development%2520of%2520Qatar.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1%26isAllowed%3Dy&ved=2ahUKEwjYmcbco8btAhXFeisKHWjuCFoQFjADegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2V6113fQbT3FMz49kSuONt
My understanding is Titus Naikuni former MD siphoned and destroyed KQ by firstly buying many aircraft on loans that had no use then secondly speculating on oil by buying and stocking up before prices fell more like what Kemsa has done. KQ employees are really suffering. Naikuni gots lots of kickbacks from these ill perceived ventures.
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Give me a rope and I will hung him
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