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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on October 21, 2020, 05:47:00 PM
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from twitter it appears it ruBBIsh. It basically takes us back to square one. A mongrel.
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https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/bbi-report-key-changes-kenya-political-system-2492478
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INCLUSION
-non-executive prime minister appointed/fired by PORK from largest party/coalition. Approved by majority. Leader of govt business. Matiang’i/Duale combo
-2 DPMs appointed/fired by PORK from cabinet. Supervised by PM
-Cabinet still appointed/fired by PORK with MPs approval. Supervised by PM
-PORK run-up to be Leader of Opposition with shadow cabinet
GOVT STRUCTURE
-parliamentary-presidential hybrid- D/PM are MPs. CS can be MPs (upto PORK)
-official opposition is back
DEVOLUTION
-revenue increased to 35%
-more functions to be devolved to balance expenditure
-Senate, Devolution ministry, CoG to discuss functions to be devolved (within 1 year of BBI)
-Ward Development Fund to be 5% of county revenue. Senate to pass WDF laws (within 1 year of BBI)
-DG to have CEC portfolio
NAIROBI FEDERAL CITY
-NMS to be formalized by parliament (within 1 year of BBI passage)
GENDER
-male-female governor ticket
-2 male-female senators per county. No nominated women senators. Total 94 senators
-70 nominated (female, disabled, marginalized) MPs nominated by party total votes (not seats) ratio. Women Rep scrapped. Total 360 MPs
(female senators + MPs ~ 25% :- rationale is at least 8% will be elected)
-MCAs to be nominated by party votes ratio as well (not elected seats)
-party lists (for nominated) will be supervised/approved by IEBC/RPP to ensure integrity (enforce chapter 6, avoid nepotism/corruption)
-parties will be financed by Treasury with a parameter of gender promotion
-IEBC will enforce gender by reducing/waiving nomination fees for women
PARLIAMENT
-Senate is (almost) equal house and not restricted to county bills. Can originate and must co-pass all NA bills
-Senate will still have exclusive jurisdiction on county-only matters e.g. revenue formula
MPs - 1M1V
-some vague stuff about MP constituency to be as close to headcount quotas as possible
-IEBC to have leeway on changes
JUDICIARY
-Judicial Ombudsman to be member of JSC appointed by PORK approved by MPs. Role is deal with discipline of judges and recommend action to JSC. Must have SCORK judge qualifications. 5-10 years tenure
ELECTION APPEALS
-PORK appeal to be filed within 30 days (from current 14)
-non-PORK appeals will start in high court but end at CoA (and not escalate to SCORK to avoid overload)
INTEGRITY
-graft cases to be dealt within 1 year
-SRC to have more powers over MP salaries, public service consultant salaries
-CoB to have more powers, duties of public projects. Can block funds over integrity, inefficiency, wastage
YOUTH
-National Youth Commission to be in katiba. Promote and produce youth report every year to PORK and media
-HELB loans to be paid 4 years AFTER getting job. No job no paying
-7 year tax holiday for youth MSME
-NYC to supervise/coordinate industrial hubs for MSME (with youth bias) - one hub per county or region
-30% of county jobs to go to youth, women, PWD, minorities
POLICE
-Naitonal Police Council - to complete police reforms that Kavuludi failed to complete
-NPC supervises cops and chaired by CS interior. NPSC scrapped
-some vague mumbo jumbo about police independence (shingo upande)
HEALTH
-National Health Commission to be new "TSC" for medical affairs
-NHC to include MoH, medic union, CoG reps
IMPLEMENTATION
-executive, parliamentary changes at next election
-referendum bill to take popular route - 1M signatures, 24 counties, parliament, referendum
-other legal issues (new or modified laws) to be done by parliament 1-2 years after BBI passage
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You wish. It hybrid but non-exec PM ala NARA. Appointed and dismissed by PORK
Mobutu says he will oppose - but sounds wishy-washy :) - I suspect he will surrender to avoid embarassing defeat. With 35%, youth/gender issues Mobutu is in njia panda. Mdvds, Johos, Oparanyas will go for MP
from twitter it appears it ruBBIsh. It basically takes us back to square one. A mongrel.
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You wish. It hybrid but non-exec PM ala NARA. Appointed and dismissed by PORK
Mobutu says he will oppose - but sounds wishy-washy :) - I suspect he will surrender to avoid embarassing defeat. With 35%, youth/gender issues Mobutu is in njia panda. Mdvds, Johos, Oparanyas will go for MP
from twitter it appears it ruBBIsh. It basically takes us back to square one. A mongrel.
Trying to save face, all social media is that baba has been played seriously, accept and move on.
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You wish. It hybrid but non-exec PM ala NARA. Appointed and dismissed by PORK
Mobutu says he will oppose - but sounds wishy-washy :) - I suspect he will surrender to avoid embarassing defeat. With 35%, youth/gender issues Mobutu is in njia panda. Mdvds, Johos, Oparanyas will go for MP
from twitter it appears it ruBBIsh. It basically takes us back to square one. A mongrel.
Trying to save face, all social media is that baba has been played seriously, accept and move on.
Played how now? BBI lineup is already known - Raila PORK. Kalonzo VP. PK PM. Mdvd DPM. Matiang'i DPM
Mobutu need to surrender and unveil hustler lineup
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You wish. It hybrid but non-exec PM ala NARA. Appointed and dismissed by PORK
Mobutu says he will oppose - but sounds wishy-washy :) - I suspect he will surrender to avoid embarassing defeat. With 35%, youth/gender issues Mobutu is in njia panda. Mdvds, Johos, Oparanyas will go for MP
from twitter it appears it ruBBIsh. It basically takes us back to square one. A mongrel.
Trying to save face, all social media is that baba has been played seriously, accept and move on.
Well, he is not complaining...!!! I wonder what it is that he wanted from this that one would say he has been played. It would be very liberating when you are not fixated on Baba. I thought the Mzee was banished to Bondo anyway and he is waring his mandazis in Kibera.
Can’t we for once look at this as ours (Kenya’s) rather than to benefit Baba? Importantly if a majority of Kenyans don’t want/like what has been proposed and want us to remain the way we are.... ce la vie! We move on.... Leadership is in getting in the mud and fixing things, not bystanding and critiquing.
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You wish. It hybrid but non-exec PM ala NARA. Appointed and dismissed by PORK
Mobutu says he will oppose - but sounds wishy-washy :) - I suspect he will surrender to avoid embarassing defeat. With 35%, youth/gender issues Mobutu is in njia panda. Mdvds, Johos, Oparanyas will go for MP
from twitter it appears it ruBBIsh. It basically takes us back to square one. A mongrel.
Trying to save face, all social media is that baba has been played seriously, accept and move on.
Well, he is not complaining...!!! I wonder what it is that he wanted from this that one would say he has been played. It would be very liberating when you are not fixated on Baba. I thought the Mzee was banished to Bondo anyway and he is waring his mandazis in Kibera.
Can’t we for once look at this as ours (Kenya’s) rather than to benefit Baba? Importantly if a majority of Kenyans don’t want/like what has been proposed and want us to remain the way we are.... ce la vie! We move on.... Leadership is in getting in the mud and fixing things, not bystanding and critiquing.
Hustler vs dynasty just became a pipedream hence the teeth- gnashing by Tangatanga
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Robina this is not BBI 2.0. I was expecting Major Release. This is minor release.
We are on BBI 1.1 from now on. Why did they go for another 1yr except to 'eat' our money.
Yes it pretty much an attempt to take us back to NARA and pre- 2010 constitution.
An attempt to bastardize the constitution. The most shameful attempt to overhaul the constitution through the backdoor.
It start with 10% negative from Nairobeans who will not like federal gov. You can add RV 25% - and we are already 35%. DOA. DOA.
Federal gov were running Nairobi for donkey years before.
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Do you realize we have gone full cycle with BBI and ended back in pre-2010 constitution. or Omwami this is too much for you.
The essence we are back to 2010 that is essentially mongrel constitution - a patch work that is neither parliamentary or presidential or mixed.
I believe Ndoom court case will save our constitution soul.
Our constitution is a presidential system.
The moment you alter the core - it's operative system - and start appointing Mps as minister - and Prime Minister who is MP - you've completely bastardize the constitution.
In one fell swoop Uhuru and Raila want to undo everything.
Moi , Kenyatta and kibaki took 60yrs to do this.
Well, he is not complaining...!!! I wonder what it is that he wanted from this that one would say he has been played. It would be very liberating when you are not fixated on Baba. I thought the Mzee was banished to Bondo anyway and he is waring his mandazis in Kibera.
Can’t we for once look at this as ours (Kenya’s) rather than to benefit Baba? Importantly if a majority of Kenyans don’t want/like what has been proposed and want us to remain the way we are.... ce la vie! We move on.... Leadership is in getting in the mud and fixing things, not bystanding and critiquing.
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Robina is trying to save face.....what an anti climax
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She was already making excuse for BBI long before it was released. She is the new Railamaniac. The few who were reborn when likes of Kichwa Mbaya gave up.
Robina is trying to save face.....what an anti climax
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She was already making excuse for BBI long before it was released. She is the new Railamaniac. The few who were reborn when likes of Kichwa Mbaya gave up.
Robina is trying to save face.....what an anti climax
I forsee her giving up politics altogether. Its just amatter of time
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Yes, without any principles or thoughts of her own, she is more like windsock of Raila. The last of the dead crew. not even Kichwa has the energy anymore.
I forsee her giving up politics altogether. Its just amatter of time
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Very retrogressive report written by Harambee house.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-10-21-bbi-gives-police-chief-sweeping-powers-abolishes-npsc/
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Very retrogressive report written by Harambee house.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-10-21-bbi-gives-police-chief-sweeping-powers-abolishes-npsc/
More like a thesis written by a law student .....utter rubish
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This is a mockery,BBI is a big scam,to extend kikuyu rule for eternity.Kikuys will use the PM,DPM to entice other communities while they remain PORK.
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This is a mockery,BBI is a big scam,to extend kikuyu rule for eternity.Kikuys will use the PM,DPM to entice other communities while they remain PORK.
That is the plan..and you can fire them anytime after elections
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This
Vagina Tangatanga monologue :) You're just unhappy hustler vs dynasty is dead. Even Kalenjin will vote yes... more like 80-20. I expect Mobutu to surrender and claim hustler issues have been addressed.
-Youth issues are addressed quite clearly
-Gender issues ditto
-Devolution now 35% closer to global federal 40% in Germany, US, Canada, etc
-NMS has been performing way better than Sonko the hustler or is it alley cat :) Way to go
-Hybrid means more accountability as CS are on the floor not mere Duale. Shadow cabinet keeps them in check.
-There is no imperial PORK - judiciary, parliament, devolution, commissions remain independent - PORK power remains diluted. Of course it is still a far cry from pure parliamentary but it is a better step towards it than pure presidential plagiarized from super-divided US that is gona implode soon
-Senate will protect devolution + check/balance MPs from going rogue or too compromised. Senators will not be CS and will have more power over all bills unlike today
-NHC will address medic strikes
-No doing business with GoK for public officers
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By the way you and RV rabidly opposed 2010 so what are you crying about? You were quite happy in old system so you should be excited 😊 Suckers!
Pajero - Raila is next PORK... go slow on anti-Kikuyu you're another Omollo.
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Noway, Pundit - any samples of No teeshirts? Are they like Red Card? Please share.
Anyway you were telling us GEMA will be shortchanged in parliamentary. Seem now they get executive PORK, and maybe more MPs in future.
This easy peasy more county billions + WDF vs wheelbarrow
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We opposed because we wanted something better. It addresses none of the issues - of the Nos - but basically rolls back all the democratic gains. Pray Ruto doesn't become PORK in that BBI constitution.
It's basically the return of the imperial presidency.
It' like all the problems Uhuru has had - from Nairobi governorship to Judiciary - BBI is meant to remove them and allow the next PORK to rule almost like a KING.
No parliament vetting. His ombusdman intimidating judges. He can fire or hire almost at will. Police are back to default settings - without civilian oversight. IEBC has been politiced.
It's PLAIN CRAZY. But you're crazy b.iatch yourself.
This BBI is the most retrogressive report ever produced by Kenya gov.
By the way you and RV rabidly opposed 2010 so what are you crying about? You were quite happy in old system so you should be excited 😊 Suckers!
Pajero - Raila is next PORK... go slow on anti-Kikuyu you're another Omollo.
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Are you really normal? Where are you getting all these crazy ideas from? GEMA get executive pork, and more Mps :) based on what?
Let me tell you this thing is DOA DOA DOA
No need for opposition to it - it will never see the light.
It is almost designed to fail.
Noway, Pundit - any samples of No teeshirts? Are they like Red Card? Please share.
Anyway you were telling us GEMA will be shortchanged in parliamentary. Seem now they get executive PORK, and maybe more MPs in future.
This easy peasy more county billions + WDF vs wheelbarrow
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BBI is Bomas Draft hybrid minus 3rd tier extra fat layer. Mobutu and PNU sullied Bomas in Naivasha with pure presidential.
2010 no was about weak senate and dismal devolution - both are addressed.
Please explain how PORK is imperial... facts please. Independent judiciary, commissions, parliament took care of that. 2010 PORK was unaccountable than BBI - at least PM sit in cabinet and the House floor to answer questions. Opposition leader sits in House to grill him unlike now where Raila was at Uhuruto mercy.
Devolution is really big here - the PORK is more accountable and has less money. Automatically 35% devolved.
What comical really is Tangatanga have been opposing parliamentary- ceremonial PORK - now moronically saying hybrid is more imperial than pure presidential :o :o :o
Tangatanga sang about forgotten youth... now highly addressed- you have new whining about what again? It hard to follow your gymnastics.
Ohoo are women 1/3 a huge burden? Should we reject DG and all goodies?
Youth, women, devolution, Gema are big winners. Your fake hustler Mobutu is the big loser.
We opposed because we wanted something better. It addresses none of the issues - of the Nos - but basically rolls back all the democratic gains. Pray Ruto doesn't become PORK in that BBI constitution.
It's basically the return of the imperial presidency.
It' like all the problems Uhuru has had - from Nairobi governorship to Judiciary - BBI is meant to remove them and allow the next PORK to rule almost like a KING.
No parliament vetting. His ombusdman intimidating judges. He can fire or hire almost at will. Police are back to default settings - without civilian oversight. IEBC has been politiced.
It's PLAIN CRAZY. But you're crazy b.iatch yourself.
This BBI is the most retrogressive report ever produced by Kenya gov.
By the way you and RV rabidly opposed 2010 so what are you crying about? You were quite happy in old system so you should be excited 😊 Suckers!
Pajero - Raila is next PORK... go slow on anti-Kikuyu you're another Omollo.
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If wishes were horses... all hustlers could ride that grand, thoroughbred stallion. Oh wait- hustler wishes have come true - only Mobutu wishes have evaporated.
7 years tax break. HELB waiver. Business hubs. What are you smoking? Only Mobutu, Ndii and Miguna will oppose - maybe with usual NGO ideologues Ndumbi, Mutunga, Omar.
Are you really normal? Where are you getting all these crazy ideas from? GEMA get executive pork, and more Mps :) based on what?
Let me tell you this thing is DOA DOA DOA
No need for opposition to it - it will never see the light.
It is almost designed to fail.
Noway, Pundit - any samples of No teeshirts? Are they like Red Card? Please share.
Anyway you were telling us GEMA will be shortchanged in parliamentary. Seem now they get executive PORK, and maybe more MPs in future.
This easy peasy more county billions + WDF vs wheelbarrow
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This is actually gift to Ruto. Eti HELB - do you know what % of kenyans have gone to university and have HELB loan. In our time it was 2% of kenyans. Those that had completed HIGH school in kenya were less than 20%.
Anyway assume 20yrs later - we have 5% graduates with loans and business hubs - and maybe high school graduates are now 30%.
Do you morons realize that Ruto is TALKING ABOUT 95% without a university degrees, the 70% without a high school education.
This is how you lose election so badly 2 years before the polls - you literally have to enact dictatorship to block hustler movement.
If wishes were horses... all hustlers could ride that grand, thoroughbred stallion. Oh wait- hustler wishes have come true - only Mobutu wishes have evaporated.
7 years tax break. HELB waiver. Business hubs. What are you smoking? Only Mobutu, Ndii and Miguna will oppose - maybe with usual NGO ideologues Ndumbi, Mutunga, Omar.
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You're waste of time if you don't know what imperial PORK means.
BBI is Bomas Draft hybrid minus 3rd tier extra fat layer. Mobutu and PNU sullied Bomas in Naivasha with pure presidential.
2010 no was about weak senate and dismal devolution - both are addressed.
Please explain how PORK is imperial... facts please. Independent judiciary, commissions, parliament took care of that. 2010 PORK was unaccountable than BBI - at least PM sit in cabinet and the House floor to answer questions. Opposition leader sits in House to grill him unlike now where Raila was at Uhuruto mercy.
Devolution is really big here - the PORK is more accountable and has less money. Automatically 35% devolved.
What comical really is Tangatanga have been opposing parliamentary- ceremonial PORK - now moronically saying hybrid is more imperial than pure presidential :o :o :o
Tangatanga sang about forgotten youth... now highly addressed- you have new whining about what again? It hard to follow your gymnastics.
Ohoo are women 1/3 a huge burden? Should we reject DG and all goodies?
Youth, women, devolution, Gema are big winners. Your fake hustler Mobutu is the big loser.
We opposed because we wanted something better. It addresses none of the issues - of the Nos - but basically rolls back all the democratic gains. Pray Ruto doesn't become PORK in that BBI constitution.
It's basically the return of the imperial presidency.
It' like all the problems Uhuru has had - from Nairobi governorship to Judiciary - BBI is meant to remove them and allow the next PORK to rule almost like a KING.
No parliament vetting. His ombusdman intimidating judges. He can fire or hire almost at will. Police are back to default settings - without civilian oversight. IEBC has been politiced.
It's PLAIN CRAZY. But you're crazy b.iatch yourself.
This BBI is the most retrogressive report ever produced by Kenya gov.
By the way you and RV rabidly opposed 2010 so what are you crying about? You were quite happy in old system so you should be excited 😊 Suckers!
Pajero - Raila is next PORK... go slow on anti-Kikuyu you're another Omollo.